Game Over - Insane Mafia Game. Page 94

[Arangar-Mafia]

^{"So far we have an innocent finder/healer. An innocent immune to night kills, an innocent healer/stealer, an innocent lynch stopper, an innocent nightly role blocker, an innocnet one-time night action blocker, and an innocent one-time vigilante."}

  ^{That is Bal, Bal, Aginor, Asmodean, Me, Moggy, and You... I assume...  because Bal is the finder healer but also says hes immune to night kills so thats 6.. with Moridin and Sammy bringing up the rest.  You say ours that would affect this last night kill are suspicious that means so are you becuase your proof you really were a vig is on a night that Moggy blocked everything.  That, my friend, makes you just as suspicious as you claim I am.}

 

 

 

And I just remembered that Moridin is the one immune not Bal... my mistake.

[Ishamael-Mafia]

Here's my deal: I announced that I spotted the first post about Mori being innocent because it helps us by revealing at least one alignment. I understand skepticism, especially in this game, so take it how you will. As far as being loud and proud, It's more like bored and frustrated because everyone is so inactive, and if you get to claim your playing style as a trademark, then I get to do the same thing. 8)

 

I do like what you have to say about Asmo. If he can save a lynch, then let him prove it and we'll have two innocents confirmed and ready to be healed tonight! I'll unvote Aran'gar and vote Asmodean. I don't think

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

Moggy brings up a great point about Halima, but I have looked for proof that Halima did act and can't find it. Where is this? If it is true, then my vote stays on Aran'gar. If not, I am open to moving it.

 

You mean you can't find the post that she died in? She was acting against Moridin in her death post. She friggin' plunges the knife into his neck. That's action, not being blocked.

 

I agree with Moridin. Lynching an innocent doesn't exactly help. It would tell us his ability, but not alignment. It would also give the evils the perfect targeting abilities for the night. If Balth really is the healer finder, does he save himself? Asmo? View someone? That's 50/50 at best. How lucky do we feel?

[Asmodean-Mafia]

*taps mic* Is this thing on???

 

LYNCHING ME IS THE SAME AS A NO KILL. WE NEED TO GET A MAFIA TODAY. USE YOUR HEADS.

 

We have been losing two people a night. What makes you think this night will be any different????? My not dying is only going cause us to lose two more innocents that AREN'T CONFIRMED--something we can't afford right now.

 

Don't tell me that Aran'gar's emo outburst actually swayed you into believing a no kill is the way to go? We NEED to get a lynch through today. We NEED to get mafia. Stop throwing out names. Start using deduction.

 

My thoughts:

I don't think that Barm gave any mafia a role that allows them an extra kill. It would put things way out of balance. That being said, we have 2-3 mafia left, and the people who don't have a vig/kill type role are: Aran'gar, Moggy, Aginor, and myself. I'm innocent, and I can also stop my own lynch. That means there are three highly likely candidates to choose from.

 

I've already told you why I've been inactive. Hell, I've been so inactive, there isn't any way I could have even used a night action, much less my day one. Real. Life. Stuff. It comes first, and it takes up time. Lashing out at me because you are a prime suspect isn't cool. It sounds desperate.

 

Being frustrated is fine, but we are in the bottom of the ninth here, and we need to get it right. No mistakes. You are making a big one, so calm down and start thinking.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Aran'gar.[/glow] I don't care how much you lurk. The fact that you have consistently managed to block all innocents (with the exception of Halima, who is conveniently dead and therefore we can't actually ask)doesn't make me think innocent.

[Asmodean-Mafia]

Missed Moggy's post. Nothign to comment, I just feel redundant now.

[Arangar-Mafia]

Here's my deal: I announced that I spotted the first post about Mori being innocent because it helps us by revealing at least one alignment. I understand skepticism, especially in this game, so take it how you will. As far as being loud and proud, It's more like bored and frustrated because everyone is so inactive, and if you get to claim your playing style as a trademark, then I get to do the same thing. 8)

 

I do like what you have to say about Asmo. If he can save a lynch, then let him prove it and we'll have two innocents confirmed and ready to be healed tonight! I'll unvote Aran'gar and vote Asmodean. I don't think

 

Fair enough, Ishy.. on how you are playing.. and I'm bored and frustrated too.  Like Asmo said... I apparently only got one evil out of that bunch.  We know for a fact about Mesaana and Halima what theirs were.. and I want to believe Asmo as, like I said, nothing happened when I tried blocking him... how that makes me evil I don't know because NONE of us seem to know.  How many thought Bal suspicious from nearly day one?  Thats when I blocked him.  How many thought Mesaana suspicious?  Enough for her to get lynched.  True, Asmo, real life happens and is more important.. but that does not prove alignment.  I wasn't the one saying you WERE suspicious... I said my vote for you was to prove your role.  You want me to remove it to prevent the same thing as a no kill day don't attack me.  It won't gain you any favor in my eyes.  It makes me think you are scared of getting lynched because you don't really have that role and you didnt expect someone to make that suggestion.  You are no more a "confirmed innocent" than me, ishy, or anyone here except Moridin.

[Asmodean-Mafia]

True, Asmo, real life happens and is more important.. but that does not prove alignment.

No, except that I haven't been around to do anything. Literally.

 

I wasn't the one saying you WERE suspicious... I said my vote for you was to prove your role.

And what is the point in that? If I "prove" my role, it's a no kill. No kills this late in the game are bad. It's a waste. We need to get Mafia. If two more innocents die again tonight, then that's 5 people left, and 2-3 will be Mafia. THE GAME MAY AS WELL BE OVER.

 

You want me to remove it to prevent the same thing as a no kill day don't attack me.

I couldn't give two figs if you keep your vote there for the rest of the game. I WON'T BE LYNCHED. I can protect myself. Even if I'm not lynched tonight, chances are I'm going to be nightkilled, because there are so few innocents left. I'm attacking (well, voting) you because you are one of three candidates in my eyes.

 

It won't gain you any favor in my eyes.  It makes me think you are scared of getting lynched because you don't really have that role and you didnt expect someone to make that suggestion.

Are you kidding me? I totally expected people to start in on me for being inactive. I'm like a mafia's freaking dream. And again Aran'gar: I WON'T BE LYNCHED. Why on earth would I lie about a role like that, when I know very well there are people like you voting me "just to test it out". Yeah. Right.

 

You are no more a "confirmed innocent" than me, ishy, or anyone here except Moridin.

I actually agree with this, and said as much. But what sets me apart, is that if you lynch me, the lynch won't work, and we need to get a lynch through today, and mafia as well.

 

Oy, I feel like I keep saying the same thing over and over and over again...

[Ishamael-Mafia]

People, Moridin did not die. The scene was written that way for a reason, you should read the scenes as a story only. The results of the scenes are what affect your game, not the scenes themselves.

 

Moggy, this is where I can't get down with your theory about Halima in action. Is there any other proof?

 

Here's where I think Asmo is the safest choice right now: the evils already know who is innocent so we are not giving anything away. And if the healers and blockers protect at random, then the evils have not gained anything. If Asmo has the power that he claims, than he can save himself and be the next best thing to confirmed innocent. If he doesn't have this power, then he is lying. And if you are worried about him "wasting" his power, then consider that at this point we are all just watching the paint dry waiting on deadlines. Please give me a scenario where we are all going to vote to lynch someone but Asmo will know that they are innocent and block it to save them. Ain't gonna happen. On the other hand, if he is evil, then burning through that little role only helps the innocents out by preventing a possible mafia lynch from being blocked.

 

Obviously, no one is sure enough about anyone else being mafia that any good theories have been put forth, and in light of the uncertainty, I would rather confirm a role and feel good about another alignment.

 

Input from everybody is best here, and everybody is aware of the deadline. We have about 2 hours and 15 minutes left.

[Asmodean-Mafia]

I'm still trying to figure out why you think a No kill is better than a sure lynch right now. Do you not see what is going to happen?

 

Moridin can't die.

Balth will HAVE to heal himself. At this point in the game, he can't take any chances.

Two people are dying each night.

That means two other innocents can (and most likely will) die. With Balthamel wasting time healing himself, he is of no threat to mafia, because he can't examine anyone. They aren't going to risk a night kill on him, when they can knock off an easy innocent.

 

If nobody gets lynched today, we lose that chance to get a mafia. THAT IS BAD. Do the math.

 

We have 8 people left.

Mafia= probably 3

Innocents= probably 5

 

If we don't get a Mafia tonight, and we lose two innocents, the game is essentially over because we will have equal amounts of evils and innocents. Do you understand now? Do you understand why it is so important we get a lynch through?

 

You have no case on me. You are voting for me to test out something that is completely unnecessary. You are going to lose us the game. Pick someone else, pick someone you actually believe to be evil, and then justify why.

[Barmacral]

(Please note, with 2 people tied for the top vote, the person killed was chosen entirely at random)

 

Aran’gar walks into the lounge, and asks where Asmodean went, as she hadn’t seen him for some hours.

 

Ishamael and Sammael, who were each sipping on a martini look at each other for a few moments before Balthamel, who is standing behind them speaks up.

 

“He was misbehaving, so we fired him.”

 

“Oh, well that’s not so ba-” Aran’gar started to respond when she was interrupted by Ishamael.

 

“Out of a Cannon.”

“Into a volcano” finishes Sammael.

 

“Oh.”

 

Asmodean, an innocent has been lynched. It is now night, please send in all night actions ASAP, as night will end at 5pm EST Tomorrow (Tuesday).

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

... I disown you all.

 

THAT WAS STOOPID, PEOPLE!

 

For all the reasons he said. I think that 2 Mafia are more likely, but that puts endgame at precisely tomorrow and even if we lynch right tomorrow things look bad for us due to the double night kill. I don't fricking believe you guys. 'Let's lynch a guy just to prove his role' Oh sure. I said it before: we are no longer lynching for information. This is it. That was it. Kiss it goodbye. Let us hope we have an active vig with a clue tonight. Otherwise we're pretty much finished.

[Aginor-Mafia]

Stupid?

That was down right retarded.

 

Aran'gar's role does NOT ADD UP.

If she had role blocked Halima, Halima should not have been able to act AT ALL. There would have been no knife plunging whatsoever.

AUGH.

I hate this game.

>:(

 

 

 

[GoodGrief]

Oh my god, they killed Asmo! You bastards! >_<

[Ishamael-Mafia]

This game has been interesting, but it's time for the innocents to win.

 

And Asmo saving himself would have almost assured that, but no matter now. I have a plan that I will reveal at dawn.

 

Until then I leave you with this: I never bolded my vote for Amso. Doesn't matter now of course, but it was intended to let him know to save himself, thus going a long way towards proving he was innocent, and with three confirmed innocents (I include myself) we most likely could have won.  Why did he not save himself? Who knows. Symp maybe? It's a loss, but we'll lose more before this is over. There are seven players left. Either 4 inns and 3 evils, or hopefully, 5 inns and 2 evils. Either way, it all has to happen now. Sleep tight.

 

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

I am not certain that Asmo wanted to save himself. He seemed frustrated...

[Ishamael-Mafia]

 

Maybe. But i wish he had stayed. I should have everything worked out now.  ;) 8)

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

Not that you care to enlighten anyone, apparently.

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

I was wondering, Ishy, if you don't think Halima did the evil kill, per se, does that mean you think Barm used her as a surrogate, to have a name rather than a shadowy figure, since the assassin had sent in to killed her?

[Barmacral]

Its a beautiful day in Fiddalia, a beautiful day ind- er... wrong game, its a clear morning in Far Madding... well, as clear as a morning as it can be, considering that the inmates all spent the entire night pumping out as much dry ice as they could with an old fogging machine that they found in some basement somewhere.

 

Everyone is still alive. It is now day 6. With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day ends Wednesday at 5pm EST.

[Arangar-Mafia]

All I have to say... Is I picked [glow=red,2,300]Ishy[/glow] as my block.

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

So he's evil or assassin?

[Arangar-Mafia]

He claimed he was a vig that had a one night kill the second night... that was when no actions happened.  He was on my suspicious list so I picked him to block last night.  Looks like my suspicion paid off.

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

He claimed it was gone, but I have been thinking he's lying about it.  Either he's evil clinging to the right crowd or he was the anonymous assassin the whole time. Usually I would say that I would hate to lynch an assassin, but, well, our assassin has only gotten one evil and a lot of innocents. So, again, I don't know. I am tempted though. The best thing is to see which way everyone else leans.

[Ishamael-Mafia]

Here are a few interesting details to look at:

 

Aran'gar and Moggy show no fear of jumping right back into the game after a no-kill night, despite what happened the last time. They get points for being confident!

 

Aran'gar claims to have role blocked me, and Moggy claims that she thinks that I am a full time vig/assassin. Together, they determine that they have prevented me from killing someone last night.

 

* they had to work together to pull this off. It required planning outside of the thread.

* Moggy now thinks that I am the "anonymous assassin", and is considering lynching me, but...

              Why would Moggy want to lynch an assassin who has killed an evil, and thus is innocent?

              Why would Aran'gar block an assassin who has killed an evil, and thus is innocent?

              Why does Moggy try to make two dead evils appear as only one? (Rahvin and Halima were night kills, and

              I doubt that the evils did this for us.)

              Why does Moggy insist on claiming that Halima did something when the mod has told us that this is

              not the case?  Bad Meta-Moggy.

 

These are both very experienced players, and they are watching the newer players make mistakes.

 

How about this for an alternative explanation: Moggy lied and pulled another all-night-action-block. At least that explains why there was not evil night-kill as well as no vig hit. Why do this? Because they are thinking that I am the assassin, and Aran'gar was feeling like a target given how I voted on the lynch.

 

Or this one: Whatever innocent had been given last night's vig hit has already been killed. And whoever the evils tried to night kill was blocked by one of our many blockers.

 

So here's my plan:

 

Morridin - our confirmed innocent, and the foundation of the plan. We need to identify four confirmed innocents today, and he is the first.

 

Me - I know I am innocent, and I'm counting myself as the second (honestly, I have put enough stuff out there to help the innocents that I hope everyone believes me. I understand if you don't, but I hope you do.)

 

I suspect that Balth and Aginor are innocents. I know, they set off the radar every time they post, but after looking at it up and down, they just does not "feel" evil, and niether has made any real attempt to work an evil plan.

 

Sammy is so quiet that he is more of a ghost than anything. This means that he would have to be another sleeper, of which we have already killed two. Given the experience level of the two we have left, and the fact that they are now actively working together on a plan, I'll label Sammy as innocent.

 

That leaves Aran'gar and Moggy. The two that have teamed up and want to kill the assassin that has already killed evil players, so must be innocent. But let's kill him anyway. Yep. those two. Mafia.

 

This is what I suggest:

 

Lynch Aran'gar and we'll rid ourselves of the blocker. If she's evil, were safe, even with an innocent night kill - there can't be any more than two of them. If she's not then we are likely dead anyway :P so let's hope we are right.

 

If someone has the vig hit tonight, let them hit Moggy. If another "No night action night" goes through, we'll know we've got her and lynch her first thing in the morning.

 

How about it? I vote [glow=red,2,300]Aran'gar[/glow]

 

 

 

 

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

One thing: are you actually claiming to be the assassin?

Your logic is shaky. I'd be more inclined to believe them, but it's such an easy thing to lie about.

 

Those alarm bells about Balth and Aginor won't stop going off. No one has really examined Moggy thoroughly for the entire game. Aran'gar did the fundamentally stupid thing of voting Asmo based on proving his role rather than lynching an evil, which, if you look at the numbers, was totally the wrong thing to do. Aginor's role is highly convenient. Ishy is reacting to being accused by attacking his accusers, a common tactic of politicians and other scum. I have a feeling that I'm going to come out of this day looking rather stupid.

 

If Moggy is evil, she has glided through this game with all the ease of Talya in her role in the Kivam Gambit. Which was not a supporting role by any means. If Moggy has been playing us, she deserves to win. I believe we had a conversation about the Kivam Gambit earlier. The gist was that great plans are predicated on the innocents doing what seems to be the right course at the time, and not playing in an unpredictable, illogical fashion. In short, playing stupid. I said then that I do not have it in me to play stupid. Even when it's the smart thing to do. It may now, as then, be my downfall. It comes down to this: if Aran'gar is lying, she is evil. If she is truthful, Ishy is evil. As far as I can see, one of them is the right course.

 

For better or worse: [glow=red,2,300]Ishamael.[/glow]