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[Guest Sammael-Mafia]

I've said a few times that I was away and yes I was on vacation, two of them actually. One planned for the holiday weekend and one surprised. I'm trying to get caught up in the game but at the moment I have some things to do at home since I just got here not too long ago. I'll be fully around tomorrow.

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

I sent this to Barm the other day and got nothing out of it other than a compliment for lots of thinking. He's mean. :( I have editted from using your DM names to your roles. Please feel free to assert opinions in. I need help. I approached from logic not whimsy.

 

Assuming every player has a role, I have compiled a list of what they could be. I need to stress that there are likely multi-roled players. I also don't know all of your roles.

 

I also want to stress that it is a stretch to assume that there is a vig killer specifically for every night because Be'lal and Lanfear killed each other. That means some of them are unspecified for time, but if what Ishy said is true, some of them are specific. My guess is that the reasoning there is to make up for the possibility of a win with a no evil loss or small evil loss. It comes off as being stacked against the evil team, but having the vig kills has only worked for killing Rahvin. In essence, it works against the innocents if the vig.s choose to use them for the sake of using their role. Because of this and the number of players, it rather works better to assume four evils, I think. It fills out nicely that way anyway. Just remember that if you think one of the vig roles is different, the evils should probably be looked at too.

 

To also bring in another possibility, which ever was the first killed, between Be'lal and Lanfear, may have been a bomb role. Some bombs only kill the last voter, some kill their killers/last voter.

 

Here is what I have so far:

 

1 vig night one?

2 vig night two- Ishy claims

3 vig night three?

4 vig night four?

5 vig Lanfear likely

6 vig ?

7 finder/healer Balth claim

8 healer- vemmy

9 finder?

10 role blocker?

11 special case win Moridin

12 bomb possibly Be'lal or Lanfear instead

13 full role blocker Moggy

14 [glow=blue,10,300] evil Rahvin[/glow]

15 symp

16 evil

17 evil

18 evil

 

 

 

So what do we think?

 

 

Edit: Damn. Both Barm and I missed that.

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

Interesting....

 

Edit: Boyo asked me to edit it!

[Ishamael-Mafia]

It's probably the model that makes the most sense right now.

 

I was leaning towards 1-13 or 14 being evil, the others being innocent and the game being played in reverse with opposite reveals because for the most part, the evils always win, and it would be interesting to design a game to see if it could work the other way. But like I said, your model makes more sense.

 

So that leaves the players who have not yet revelaed. I will not ask for anyone to reveal, and I won't hold it against anyone for not revealing. But I would like to hear what everyone has to say about Moggy's model. Can everyone at least post and offer some opinion into the game?

[ilgross]

Sorry Sammy.

[glow=red,2,300]Unvote[/glow]

 

Eh. I investigate you Morry because I chose you essentially randomly. I revealed your role to prove that I was a cop/doc, since your role was so unique that I couldn't of made it up...

 

That model could be right, but how does that help us?

 

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

As I recall, Bel'al stabbity stab stabbed Lanfear with a plastic knife, whereupon she stabbed him with a real one, and they both died. I can't remember which posted first but in the case of a bomb it could have been last poster or next poster to die. I'd lean towards next poster to take a bit of control out of their hands if I was assigning the role.

 

Your model doesn't take into account the possibility that the evils also have roles. You also forgot Aginor's weird healer claim.

 

Also, what's with the editing? What is it that both Mogs and Barm missed and Cyndane, apparently, didn't?

 

And you really should watch which account you're using, Balth.

[Guest Sammael-Mafia]

Lanfear posted first.

 

Ok so I'm in the middle of reviewing Rahvin's posts.  I've read them in context with the thread and also pulled them into a word document to read them easier.

 

Day 1.

 

Rahvin showed up on page 2. First few posts are just saying hi and spam. In his 4th post he votes for Moggy for being a drama queen. Goes back to spamming. In 7th post quotes Messy and asks if anything other than random voting has been talked about. Makes a connection with Messy and further plays with that through day one and night one. In next post responding to Cyndane, he says that there is gut feeling, but it's early in the game yet.

Spams some more. Next post says it hasn't taken much to figure out who Semi is. And it wasn't good to mention the no role reveal on death nor was it good to call everyone morons. Says he won't vote for Semi because Semi might be telling the truth.  In next post

The reason why it may not be a good reason for the real Healer to come forward is that if you are evil you out them, and yes they can save themselves, but what happens when the finder comes along, what does the healer do then because at the end it we could end up losing the Healer as well as the finder.

 

If you are the healer the same applies.

 

We need to know if there is a role reveal on death or not, because that kind of information should be given to all not just one person.

 

Next post goes on to say that the only problem he has with a no lynch is if Be'lal is evil. And it would be more useful to evil than innocents. Gut feeling tells him not a good idea. In same post unvotes Moggy and goes on to say that what worries him if we get an innocent no role will come up on death so people can counter claim and puts the real finder in jeapordy. And we would lose time trying to find the real one.

 

Night 1.

Spams with Messy.

 

Will post Day 2 after I eat some lunch.

 

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

Moridin: Best not to worry about it, m'kay? :-*

[Guest Sammael-Mafia]

Rahvin’s posts~kinda paraphrasing and quoting important parts.

 

Day 2.

For his first post of day 2, Rahvin says that it’s not nice with Semi gone that he was either a liar to get out of the lynch or was assassinated/night killed and was healer blocked. Goes on to speculate about the supposed role switch and says was not asked to switch with anyone.

 

In second post he wanted to hear from Be’lal for information because he may have instigated the no lynch but it didn’t make him evil. And

if anything I would say that the evils would have jumped on this especially if it came from and innocent (I'm not saying he is.). Would an evil stick his neck out by going with a no lynch, I don't know. But it maybe just as good to look at the band wagoners who slip in behind.

Same post says he’ll have to reread to get the names of two people who are suspicious (for graendal)

Except Messie, who is just too damn hot to be evil 

 

 

Next post says doing a reread been taking 4 hours. Has a thought as and theories of how Semi and Osan’gar died:

Could it be possible that because we went for a no lynch, the mod had something written into his script that if we did not lynch then he would mod kill over night to even things back up. It would make sense, that way if Semi healed herself then I doubt it would have healed a Mod kill. The person killed could have been randomly chosen or from those voted the day before, who had the highest number of votes. The evils then night killed Osan'ger.

 

That just seemed a lot more simple than some of the theories I've been rereading that was all.

 

Next post: Finished his reread and is confused as hell. Has a feeling Be’lal is innocent and can’t explain why and hopes he is right. Looks at the people who jumped on the No Vote bangwagon, thinks it’s a good place for an evil or two to hide.

People that stood out were, Demandred, why keep your vote on someone, that claimed healer, and we could at least check out alignment of, Even if Semi was a symp, she counts as an innocent in the total count against the evils, and she was going to be checked out.

 

Aginor, also stood out as, he votes for the No Vote then later says that he believes they should have taken out Be'lal yesterday, when he actually voted to go to night with no lynch.

 

Moridin changes his mind as many times as Madonna changes her image. He accuses Mesaana of taken her vote off Sammy incase that started a lynch on him, well no one seemed interested in voting for him, so that seems an odd observation.

 

Out of those three at the moment I will go with Aginor

 

Next post just says that Halima posted a total of 9 times.

 

I believe in this next post he is referring to the reviews and Messy's voting:

He says how it is getting interesting and will have to see how it develops. And that people can interpret Mesaana’s posts however they wish but at least she is doing it and it helps. Doesn’t have time to do his own reviews.

 

Next post

I think we can speculate till we are all blue in the face, it makes it even harder as we have no role reveals when someone dies.

 

I still think that going for a 'No Vote' on day one would be very risky for an evil to do. Though if Be'lal is who I think he is it wouldn't be the first time for such a brash move, but he hasn't set anything up here, so I'm just having trouble seeing it.

 

Thats why I think looking at others maybe just as good.

 

Last post of day two says not at home no time to read through. Doesn’t want to lynch Balth if he has a role, doesn’t say he believes him but if Balth is telling truth then it would be useful. Votes for Graendal.

 

That was the original 7th vote for Graendal.

 

Night 2 Only post.

 

I could've sworn I had posted and then, poof, gone...

 

Sorry Graendal, so I guess now we wait for nights..

 

[Guest Sammael-Mafia]

Rahvin’s posts ~just going to quote them…

 

Day 3

 

First post:

 

Right now I'm shocked, confused.

 

So if the night actions were blocked, then what was that.  (yeah I know every has and probably will say it).

 

As for other roles, maybe what we say there was one of them, but why use it now, for what purpose, unless it was an evil role, or a role which was limited to when and how it could be used.

 

Quote from: Moridin-Mafia on August 30, 2007, 08:26:15 PM

Oh, is that why I've been sleeping on a bed of socks? I must say it was quite comfortable until some of them started moving ...[ /quote]

 

so thats where my smelly socks went

 

Second post:

 

I have to agree that role revealing is not too good an idea. And trying to specualte too much sends us in circles (well it does me).

 

I'm not sure where I will go from here. will have to do some more reading

 

oh and Moridin, I do train them well

 

Third post:

 

Tell me something Mesaana why would the evils go for someone who doesn't reveal there role, than say someone who says they are the finder. I know what you are trying to say, but the thing is we have 5 innocents dead already, and thats 5 roles no one can confirm (except maybe semi's). Anyone can say what they want about any role, we would never know if it's the truth or not. Especially as we have no role reveal. And an innocent may want to hide their role for the reason to protect themeselves. Look what happened to Semi, if he did save himself, and was still killed that should tell us that all is not going as it should.

 

Fourth post:

 

Quote from: Mesaana-Mafia on August 31, 2007, 09:21:53 AM

Moggy, Barmy confirmed that my role is blocking the blocked person. Nothing more. So, I did not block Balthamel by blocking Be'lal. So, either Balthamel is evil, or he has been blocked by another roleblocker. This can be easily checked.

 

Balthamel is the only one against whom we've got something of proof. And 4 people thus far don't dare voting for him? Sorry, I really don't get why. Sammael, Moridin, Rahvin, Moghedien: why? Am I the only one who dares taking the risk of getting lynched tomorrow because the other roleblocker could be dead already? Or are you all evil? Or just a mixture? or?[ /quote]

 

All I have done is disagree with the role revealing, I still can't see how this is proof that Balth is guilty, though I'm not saying he is. It could have been Semi was the other 50/50 finder/healer, he could have said he was Healer, without having to say anything about finder, infact at that time who would have beleived he was 50/50. Again this speculation, as is your assumption that he has to be lying about his role, some role we lose if he dies. Who's to say there isn't another role blocker out there, for all we know there could e a few.

 

Your theory raises just as many questions. it's is not set in stone. Just because we haven't jumped on your band wagon strightaway, doesn't mean we are evil or innocent it means we may see flaws in your 'proof'.

 

I still haven't made up my mind who to vote for, nor am I going to be pressured into it.

 

Fifth and final post (I changed the color of the glow):

 

Mesaana, why is it that if you are telling the truth, Balth is lying. You both could be telling the truth and you both could be lying. As we have no information on roles on death, there could be anything out there.

 

I still have other suspicions, but right now I'm going to go for [glow=green,2,300]Mesaana[/glow], I would rather test who's innocent out of the two of you. So I will go with a role blocker rather than lynch someone who could possible be more useful and hopefully can still check out their alignment if we have a finder.

 

I had said before that there maybe another 50/50 finder/healer, but what if there isn't, maybe Semi was the full healer, and there is/was a full finder. Lets hope they aren't dead already

 

Night 3

 

No posts

 

Day 4 after being found dead:

 

*Gets up..yeah I'm alive...bumps into table...* hey I can't see...*touches head or tries*..OMG I'm headless...ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG GGG

 

Come on you evils come on you evils

 

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

Your model doesn't take into account the possibility that the evils also have roles. You also forgot Aginor's weird healer claim.

 

I don't even remember what he said about his role. And of course, I didn't put in evil roles given that I don't know what they are. There are alot that we can assume. It's one of the areas that I wanted help.

 

Also, what's with the editing? What is it that both Mogs and Barm missed and Cyndane, apparently, didn't?

 

I forgot to edit a name.

 

So where Rahvin was useful, he was acting as he would as an innocent and saying the same things any experienced player would say. Again, I really don't see anything of substance to lead us anywhere and that makes me want to cry. Well, let me rephrase, anything of substance has already been followed up on.

[Guest Sammael-Mafia]

Hey guys, just to let you know we really need to get going because I was just rereading from beginning of day 4 and I noticed that today is our deadline...

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

If memory serves, that's about when Barm gets on today.

 

If we are doing Balth and Cyndane, I have to go with [glow=red,2,300]Cyndane.[/glow]

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

Okay, I have a plan.  A way to find out if Balth is telling the truth or not.  But it requires luck.  It's definitely a gamble.  Anyone interested?

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

And Moggy, who said it was between me and Balth? 

[Guest Halima-Mafia]

We are out of time.  It's down to you or Balt because you all have the most votes.

 

Vote [glow=red,2,300]Cyndane[/glow] sorry he said 5pm est and it's already way past that...

 

 

Tell us your plan though??

[Balthamel-Mafia]

[glow=red,2,300]Cyndane[/glow]

 

Tell us the plan, and if we have the time to execute it....

[Guest Halima-Mafia]

We need one more for the lynch if I count the votes correctly.

[Barmacral]

Deadline is on Wednesday at 5pm EST.

 

You know my favourite part about deadlines? The wooshing sound they make as they go flying by.

[Barmacral]

Nobody is arguing. Instead they've got a competition going on. Put pots on your head, and run full tilt into your opponent.

The first person to stand back up wins. You were knocked out in the second round, and now its at the semi-finals.

Balth and Cyndane are up. They start at their line, and charge. Both are little more than blur's, and with a loud clang you see them both go flying backwards. Balth, far larger than Cyndane, quickly stands up.

Cyndane doesn't move though. Doesn't even twitch. Sammael goes over and does a pulse check. It appears that when they hit Cyndane's head went flying even further backwards than her body, and her neck snapped.

 

Cyndane, an innocent is dead. It is now night, please send me your actions ASAP. Night ends Friday morning when I make it online for a few minutes. I will be leaving friday afternoon for the weekend, and likely won't be back until Monday.

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

Damn!  Thought we had a day left!  >.<

 

Good luck.

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

[glow=red,2,300]Cyndane[/glow] it is then.

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

Heh. Didn't read through properly. Now you're all going to think I never make it to lynches because I'm incompetent rather than selfless  :P

 

Going to reread thoroughly when I get home. Good night.

[Balthamel-Mafia]

Diggity.

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

Night brings with it a sense of calm. I know I'm in mortal peril, but I also know that if anyone wants to kill me I'm not going to be able to talk them out of it anyway, so there's a lot less to do. Anyone else get this feeling? *takes up knitting*