Game Over - Insane Mafia Game. Page 94

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

Well, I guess I was wrong then. THe person I thought you were, would make it her  first job to search who's who.

 

I'm quite sure about Semirhage (duhu), Be'lal, and Moridin. I thought I had an idea about you. But I'm not really looking for any ideas.

 

Asmo: Sirayn is not playing. I hope you don't think I'm her.

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

funny you should mention sirayn, because the thought crossed my mind once.  then I checked the players list on the sign up thread.

 

But Demandred said that the alt was played by someone else earlier in the game, righ?  *shakes head*  No, sirayn just CAN'T be playing this game.  Too horrible to imagine.  ><

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

Asmodean.

 

21 posts

 

 

First important one:

(...)So, seeing as we pasted the ten page marker, [glow=red,2,300]Demandred[/glow]. At first, and mostly a totally random vote here, however, on looking closer, Demandred is laying very low, just one hello post, and then nothing. Is it because of the weekend...or something more sinister?!

Totally random, in other words?

 

About the 'real finder' to reveal he thinks the next:

Maybe it would be prudent to wait for everyone to hear about the healer claim. Then if someone else does happen to claim a healer role also, we know that (unless barm is playing tricks with ús) one is a false claim - and has about 95% of one or other claimants being evil, and about 66.6% that it is Semirhage (I made those up but it's just something to give you an idea). However this is only if there is another healer claim, so please can we make sure Semirhage is not lynched before then at the very least.(...)

He likes making simple things look complicated. A mafia-thing?

 

And her vote:

I think I'm going to change my vote to [glow=red,2,300]Mesaana[/glow]

I have really never hear of needing to not counter-claim a false claim. It seems to me you have created a dragon breathing fire down our necks rather than a dragonfly , and your activity in pursuing a claimed healer's lynch, seems a little too over zealous, and the evidence a little too contrived.

Nothing special about it, numerous people were speaking of voting for me.

 

And the next day:

[glow=red,2,300]No lynch.[/glow] Makes sense whoever is evil or not. I believe everything else has been said, repeated, rehashed, regurgitated and the plethora of all the other 're-s'. Now I'm bored.

Bored. That's the word. An evil willing to go to night as soon as possible, or an innocent thinking nothing happens?

 

Then he gives a list of possibilities for Semi. I don't remember anyone disagreeing with something, or adding something. I won't quote it, to save a couple of scrolls.

 

Then he gets angry:

Spam. So vote me, get a lynch going why don't you. Maybe all your little assumptions might turn out to work, you never know. Here, I'll make it easy for you,

 

[glow=red,2,300]Demandred[/glow](...)

Demandred again. Coincidence?

 

Again: that's about it about Asmo. :(

 

 

The scum-o-meter:

 

1)Graendal

2)Aran'gar <-- she has my vote, since Graendal is on LOA

3)Moridin

4)Asmodean

5)Lanfear

6)Ishamael

7)Cyndane

...

11)Be'lal

12)Balthamel

...

16)Mesaana

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

And a vote-count (8 votes to lynch):

 

Be'lal (3) - Balthamel, Sammael, Ishamael

 

Aran'gar (2) - Lanfear, Mesaana

Cyndane (2) - Moghedien, Aran'gar

 

Mesaana (1) - Be'lal

Demandred (1) - Asmodean

Aginor (1) - Rahvin

Graendal (1) - Aginor

 

 

And a little addendum to the Asmo-case: his Demi-vote was posted 15 min. after mine, though he claims it's because he's a slow typer. Did he really wanna start a bandwagon?

[Asmodean-Mafia]

Demandred, IMO, is about 99.999% certainly not Sirayn, he just does not sound like that her. I did have an idea about you Cyndane, but, well yes I really should write things down :-[ . Thínk thát yóú wéré Síráyn, Mesaana, wéll pérhaps ít díd cróss my mínd óncé ór twícé.

 

However Sepeculating on who is behind the 'masks' not get us to any closer to lynching evils, even if it is fun.

 

 

 

[Asmodean-Mafia]

Yes I did, and I fully intend to keep that vote there, until he is; lynched, nightfall or proof of an Evil is found.

 

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

Yes I did, and I fully intend to keep that vote there, until he is; lynched, nightfall or proof of an Evil is found.

 

I'm gonna quote this before you delete it. I can have misread it, but I interpret this as you admitting you are a lying lier who lies. The question was rethorical, since a couple of pages ago, you already answered it. And your answer was the exact opposite.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Asmodean[/glow]

 

EDIT: his previous answer (to the 15-minutes question):

And my vote, (Sorry Mesaana I'm a very slow typer..and had to edit out some of the bile as well) was made not purely on the spur of the momment, but perhaps my 'petty' dislike for what you propose did push me over the edge.

[Asmodean-Mafia]

How is that opposite again? If you wouldn't mind explaining that is.

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

My question:

And a little addendum to the Asmo-case: his Demi-vote was posted 15 min. after mine, though he claims it's because he's a slow typer. Did he really wanna start a bandwagon?

 

 

Your answer:

Yes I did, and I fully intend to keep that vote there, until he is; lynched, nightfall or proof of an Evil is found.

.

 

 

When I first mentioned you posted 15 minutes later, yet did as if you were the first to vote for Demandred, this was your explanation:

(...)I'm a very slow typer..and had to edit out some of the bile as well(...)

 

 

In my opinion, these two last quotes are exactly the opposite. And they're both yours and about the same case.

[Asmodean-Mafia]

Ah, I get it now,  so because I wanted to start a lynch for Demandred,  that is totally opposite to being to slow to. Yes a very telling mafia act, perhaps i should vote for myself?

However on the plus side to do seem to have a penchant for wilfully misunderstanding posts, but surly that could not be because you are mafia could it? I'm starting to think so. I think a time for a reread is in order to check over your possibly skewed version of this game. Is that why your doing all this casing, I wonder, to seem helpful and active? I shall be back in a while. Fifty one pages :'(

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

You can shorten it by just clicken the username. Then "last posts". And you'll see every post that person has made. And around August 15, you'll find the start of this game. ;)

 

It's you who made a blunder, not me. Don't turn things around.

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

Well, now, this is interesting.  It does seem like a slip up on Asmos part.  I was going to place my vote here, but now I have to rethink again.

[Barmacral]

By request this is a friendly reminder that editing and deleting posts (unless posted with the wrong account) is not allowed.

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

Yes, oh Great Mod in the Sky!  *grovels*

[Guest Rahvin-Mafia]

Well this is getting interesting...Will have to watch how this develops.

 

You can interpret Mesaana's posts how you wish but a t least she is doing it, and it does help...even if you may not agree with what is written. I have tried to do it and unfortunately do not have the time to do it so thoroughly.

 

 

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

Nobody hás to use my cases!! Let that be clear.

 

And if you don't agree: tell me. Even I ain't fool-proof (like Ishy proved).

 

As to Asmo: he lied. I know that when I'm inocent (as I'm now), I never lie, because it just makes my case harder to defend. So, for me, Asmo is the major suspect for being evil.

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

Yes I did, and I fully intend to keep that vote there, until he is; lynched, nightfall or proof of an Evil is found.

I'm gonna quote this before you delete it. I can have misread it, but I interpret this as you admitting you are a lying lier who lies. The question was rethorical, since a couple of pages ago, you already answered it. And your answer was the exact opposite.

[glow=red,2,300]

Asmodean [/glow]

 

 

EDIT: his previous answer (to the 15-minutes question):

Quote

And my vote, (Sorry Mesaana I'm a very slow typer..and had to edit out some of the bile as well) was made not purely on the spur of the momment, but perhaps my 'petty' dislike for what you propose did push me over the edge.

 

Dude, I think you misread. He wanted to start a bandwagon or meant to vote for someone who was being a pain in his arse- differing philosophies. How's that contradictory to him being a slow typer? Neither are mutually exclusive. Have you never made such a vote, even as an inocent? It's a terrible reason to vote for someone, and if you weren't being such a hothead, you would see the reasoning of this.

 

 

 

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

We all agree he voted Demandred 15 minutes after I did, and said he thought he was first, okay?

 

When I first ask him about the long time, he answered that it was because he typed slowly, and had to edit a lot away. Okay?

 

After my review of him, I say this (as in, not a question, just a statement), and give the alternate possibility if he was a mafia (it being the start of a bandwagon) stated as a question.

I'm gonna refrase that: the only 'question' I asked was whether it was a bandwagon vote, a.k.a. whether he was lying the first time (for a bandwagon cannot be the first vote, due to its definition). Never expecting an answer, or maybe a 'no', or a rephrasal of his first answer.

 

But: he answered that it wás a bandwagon. Which is simply impossible if he didn't know my vote was already placed on Demandred.

 

That's why he lied one of the two times.

 

I don't think I'm hotheaded, I just want you all to understand what I find obvious, or you to tell me where I have made a mistake (cause, like I just stated, I ain't immune to them).

 

And, Moggy: you have quoted the incomplete explanation.

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

Ah, I get it now,  so because I wanted to start a lynch for Demandred,  that is totally opposite to being to slow to. Yes a very telling mafia act, perhaps i should vote for myself? (...)

 

Irony. I know it's working against myself, but I wanna find real evils. I don't see a cornered evil using irony. I'm gonna [glow=red,2,300]unvote[/glow].

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

We all agree he voted Demandred 15 minutes after I did, and said he thought he was first, okay? How do your highlighted quotes show that?

 

When I first ask him about the long time, he answered that it was because he typed slowly, and had to edit a lot away. Okay?

 

But: he answered that it wás a bandwagon. Which is simply impossible if he didn't know my vote was already placed on Demandred.

 

How's that mutually exclusive? His wanting to vote for Demandred (to start a bandwagon) and not having been swayed by you? I have had to go back and read several times because I had the reply window open to edit things when others posted. He may have seen it after he tried to post, but that does not mean your vote had anything to do with his, nor does it mean he knew about it when you posted or when he finished. He may only have found out after he clicked submit. Which makes it not a lie. Again, this could just be faulty reasoning and you need to see that before you go all out for something so small.

 

It may not be a smart move, but I seem to remember a game where the majority voted out a player because they did not like what he had to say. It does not make you evil to do stupid things. I, personally, don't think an evil would have such reasoning. They would be more thought out.

 

 

And, Moggy: you have quoted the incomplete explanation.

 

I have quoted what was posted here as relavent.

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

Just a reminder (and because Mesaana unvoted)

 

Vote Count (I like Mesaanas idea of separating the suspects by the amount of votes they have):

 

Be'lal (3) - Balthamel, Sammael, Ishamael

 

Cyndane (2) - Moghedien, Aran'gar

 

Aran'gar (1) - Lanfear

Mesaana (1) - Be'lal

Demandred (1) - Asmodean

Aginor (1) - Rahvin

Graendal (1) - Aginor

[Alys Kinch]

http://forums.dragonmount.com/index.php/topic,19790.msg535042.html#new

 

everyone needs to read this.

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

(...)It may not be a smart move, but I seem to remember a game where the majority voted out a player because they did not like what he had to say. It does not make you evil to do stupid things. I, personally, don't think an evil would have such reasoning. They would be more thought out.(...)

 

To clarify: I did nót vote for him because he did stupid things. I voted for him because he lied. I realy don't see how it's possible you don't see it as a lie. I think I've explained it more than enough. If you don't believe it now, you probably never will.

 

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

I'm sorry that I don't see three occurances as mutually exclusive. All could be true and all could be separate reasons. He didn't have to be swayed by your vote, nor even see it, to want to start a bandwagon kill on a player he didn't like. He is a slow typer (I know who the player is). That's all three, right?

 

Maybe if you explain why it must be a lie, I would understand...

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

I'm gonna ask you a simple question, since I think I've got your problem:

 

Imagine a situation where about 5 people have 2 votes, and 2 have 2 votes. You want to start a bandwagon on someone. Will you chose someone who had no votes at all?

 

No?

 

Then we don't disagree. Asmo could have been speaking the truth if he answered this question with "yes". The numbers are not exact.