Game Over - Insane Mafia Game. Page 94

[Alys Kinch]

And just a little off topic, the email icon under my avvie is not one I have any access to, as I did not create it. Must have been one created for the Double Blind, or for some other reason I do not know about.

 

you must have an email account for the confirmations to go to or you cannot activate your dm account.

 

 

edit: stop notifying me of this. i meant to post it as a mod message and that wouldn't do if i were in character, now would it? :P

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

This is extremely unfair to Kivam. The last game he was in he was a roleless innocent. Are you going to sit there and tell me that he had some ulterior motive beyond trying to win the game? It's ridiculous. You need to stop associating people with past games. Every game is different. Sure, he is a great player of the game, but that doesn't make him evil.

 

Do you know what the Kivam gambit is? It is a ploy for the game that we named after the soul who we first saw attempt it. I am certain you should apologise to him and myself for not thinking about what you were reading and typing. To him for revealing what you are telling everyone else to keep quiet and to me for the tone of your statements to me when you are the one who misunderstood.

 

My dear, sweet Osan'gar, this has nothing to do with Kivam per se, it is more to do with the feel of how things are playing out; the tactic. Read back to my analysis of why a fake healer would reveal. That is to what I refer.

[Lanfear-Mafia]

Ok, I've been reading and rereading, and although I don't like the idea of giving up our slim chance, I'll [glow=red,2,300]vote No Kill[/glow] to see what happens.  With any luck we'll get something definite that we can act on.

[Asmodean-Mafia]

[glow=red,2,300]No lynch.[/glow] Makes sense whoever is evil or not. I believe everything else has been said, repeated, rehashed, regurgitated and the plethora of all the other 're-s'. Now I'm bored.

[Osangar-Mafia]

To him for revealing what you are telling everyone else to keep quiet and to me for the tone of your statements to me when you are the one who misunderstood.

 

I revealed nothing that has not already been revealed by someone else. And I have no control over how a person chooses to misinterpret my tone. However you did choose to interpret it (which I am assuming was bad, since you are asking for apology), for your clarification, it was not meant to be said in a "mean" tone. It was a reflection on your words and opinions, which I disagree with to an extent.

 

And as was said in the double blind game, please do not be so touchy about things. We are using alts in this game, and it is very easy for a person to misinterpret emotion/tone. I suppose I shall have to resort to smilies, for the benefit of tender feelings. ;) (in my case, a wink means I'm saying it with a smile, lol).

 

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

You misinterpreted my use of the term Kivam gambit to be a reference to the man. To complain at me about referencing the man when that was not what I did, in any shape or form, indicates that your tone is not the same as you would normally use. You read to far into what I said to see what I said. I referenced an extremely ballsy move that worked quite flawlessly. Read the words and stop metagaming, just like you insist that we do. That's why I say you should apologise.

 

As far as that being revealed by someone else, again, you revealing something that isn't yours to reveal, even if someone else has done so, goes against what you were advocating. If you do not want to reveal others, then you should appologise when you do.

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

First: Be'lal, I've reread your 'why no lynch' and I see your reasoning. I had not much time this afternoon. Sorry. One little comment: we are not sure there are 4 evils. With 3 or 5, we dó loose a day. Multiple teams don't change anything to the calculations.

 

page 22.

Be'lal:

I'm also getting tired of this "I encouraged the healer to reveal" line.  All I did was point out that Mesaana was wrong.  That's it.

Where's this? I can't find it.

Second: I get the second problem as well.

 

Be'lal (again):

Surely you understand why, if Semi is our healer, the people saying "lynch Semi" become automatic suspects.

I don't agree. The real evil guys (which does not include me) KNOW Semi is the real healer, and will not try to get her lynched, since she's powerless anyway and they'd get the attention put upon them from the moment we know Semi is who she claims she is.

 

page 23:

Be'lal explained the more/less evils-theory adequately.

 

Semi agrees with my ideas on me becoming an automatic suspect

 

Semi:

The only thing is that like I said, we don;t know what roles are in this game, and to be honest I wouldn't put it past barm to give *every* single person in this game a role. Which i just had a scary thought combining the paranoid cop and the docter O.o. the "stupid doctor" who kills whoever he tries to heal O.o

I've thought along these lines as well.

 

I'll bandwagon for the [glow=red,2,300]no kill[/glow]. And I think I'm the ninth. One to go.

[Aginor-Mafia]

Awaugh.

I just read from page 18 till now.

You guys sure talk a lot.

:P

I think I'm going to vote [glow=red,2,300]No Kill[/glow], because it does seem like a good idea, considering the things we've learned today.

 

[Osangar-Mafia]

Now I'm feeling annoyed.

 

Read the words and stop metagaming, just like you insist that we do. That's why I say you should apologise. As far as that being revealed by someone else, again, you revealing something that isn't yours to reveal, even if someone else has done so, goes against what you were advocating. If you do not want to reveal others, then you should appologise when you do

 

First of all, you can't reveal someone who is already revealed. What you are saying is making no sense to me whatsoever. In that respect, I didn't reveal anyone. Associating someone with their character, after they already pretty much revealed themselves is not what I am referring to. I was referring to the people who are sitting around trying to figure out who everyone is, in the hopes that it will give them some insight to the game. This is not what I am doing. Those people ARE metagaming.

 

And for a person who expects an apology for something you considered rude, you are getting awful rude yourself. Pot calling the kettle black, much?

 

Yes, I understand what you were referring to, as far as your comments on the Kivam Gambit. But you also made this comment, which is what I was referring to:

We cannot ever, ever, ever forget that he is playing with us, and he is ever so much more devious than Sirayn.

Unless I misinterpreted, I took this as you making a comment to his gameplay outside the whole gambit part. I even went so far as to phrase it as a question, so you could clarify yourself...

Are you going to sit there and tell me that he had some ulterior motive beyond trying to win the game?

But you got all offended, instead of simply clarifying yourself.

 

So I will say again nicely, please check yourself before you start in on me. I think we are both misunderstanding what the other person is saying, and while I am trying very hard not to get worked up about this, your unwillingness to maintain a polite demeanor is wearing my tolerance thin. I already told you that I wasn't trying to be rude to you specifically, that I was just voicing my opinion. You ordering me (something rude in and of itself) to apologize for an alt reveal that I never made is not something I am going to do, since your view of a reveal, and mine are obviously two completely different things.

 

 

 

 

[Barmacral]

Walking into the room, Demandred, with his eyes closed, wander’s over to where his favourite chair is and dives into it head first. Unfortunately, the chair was gone, and he blacked out. When he comes too, he see’s everyone standing around him, glaring at each other. Somebody accuses be’lal of using the wrench in the kitchen. Somebody else points out that this isn’t the kitchen, and a third points out that all the furniture is on the ceiling.

Demandred thus works out that he is not on the ceiling, and that he is hungry. Getting up, he stumbles off to the kitchen. The rest of you, realizing that nobody had died yet, and that nobody was going to die, go off to do your usual things. Whatever they are, and however unusual they may be. The room fades into darkness, night has come. Your eyes light up. Play time.

 

It is now night 1. Please submit all night actions to me ASAP. If the night drags out too long, I WILL put a deadline on. Good luck, and may the Mod’s good grace be with you.

[Belal-Mafia]

OK, my suspect list, as promised:

 

Assuming Semi is innocent:

 

1) Mesaana, for reasons already stated

 

2) Sammael, ditto, and for trying to get a lynch today

 

3) Balthamel, for fighting the no kill and then fading into the background

 

4) Ishamael, for leaving the vote on me

 

5) Demandred, Graendal, Halima, Lanfear, Asmodean, Aginor, Aran'gar, Cyndane, Rahvin (in no particular order) for fading into the background and/or leaving their votes on irrelevant players (at least 1, probably 2 of this group is evil, IMO)

 

6) likely innocents - Moridin, Osan'gar, Moghedien (1 is probably evil)

 

If Semi is guilty, Mesaana and Sammael drop in priority, Ishamael and Balthamel rise.

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

All I can hear in my head is Sira saying that you never go to night unless under special circumstances...is this one of them I don't know.

 

Lucky for you. All I keep thinking is Kivam gambit, Kivam gambit. We cannot ever, ever, ever forget that he is playing with us, and he is ever so much more devious than Sirayn. She's good, but he pulled the wool over her eyes so easily. This is why I will not remove my vote until we are certain about where to move from here. I would rather think than willing fall into a ploy that will end with me dying.

 

*G* I forgot that that is what I had written. I was talking about two things at once which, while annoying to others, always makes perfect sense to me. The first part is what I was thinking and the second is more of a tacked on thought. Similar to when you see that you have to pick up a certain item from the store and then you remember other errands that need to be completed. Yes, my mind forgets to pause for breath.

 

To clarify, Kivam is playing and that gives others more leeway than if someone like him or Sirayn were not. There are players who will imitate others and try things they normally wouldn't. The reveal the healer then finder technique could be one of those instances.

[Lanfear-Mafia]

So it's night.

 

*wonders what will happen next*

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

I hope I wake up in the morning...

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

When did anybody advocate a reveal the healer then the finder?

If Semi is the healer, the healer revealed the healer.

If Semi aint the healer, then no one is suggesting that they reveal.

 

I don't quite know why I'm on the probable innocent list when Bel'al has a lovely little category for people who kept their votes on irrelevant players like I did (Asmo) but unless Bel'al later gets revealed as scum then I'm not complaining.

 

I also don't know why Bel'al has invited us to assume that he's one of our serial analysts. Obviously many of us guessed as much. But what does he have to gain by all but coming out and saying it? The posting style is there. The habit of putting people on the suspect list for disagreeing with him (and therefore the best possible option, we are told) is there. A number of things just don't make sense. I'd concede that going to night was the best option. The numbers do add up. But others I just don't know. He says he has his reasons. He also says he's roleless. If his reasons have nothing to do with roles then why can't he come out and say them?

I'm not entirely convinced that Bel'al is who he doesn't-quite-say he is and if he is, that he's innocent. But he's one of the more lucid players so I'll give him the benefit of doubt for now. All this becomes redundant if he shows up dead tommorow.

 

And to Mogs: Kivam does bring new dimensions to the word diabolical but we can't assume guilt without proof (especially when we can't even be sure who he is) because that is just shooting ourselves in the foot.

And the only way to survive something like the Kivam Gambit is to play stupid, because plans like that are based on the assumption that the innocents do what seems to be the best way forward based on the information that they have. I don't have it in me to play stupid.

[Aginor-Mafia]

I think we are all forgetting one thing...

We're supposed to be insane!

*Fends mafia off with a bass*

Moridin is Mafia! Look! It says it right after his name! Oh my God! Everyone's Mafia except me!

*Looks at name*

I'M MAFIA TOO??

*Faints*

:P

 

 

Attempts at loosening up the atmosphere ;D

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

See sig.

[Ishamael-Mafia]

 

May the Mod's good grace be with you? This promises to be interesting. Nutty, and interesting.

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

And the only way to survive something like the Kivam Gambit is to play stupid, because plans like that are based on the assumption that the innocents do what seems to be the best way forward based on the information that they have. I don't have it in me to play stupid.

 

Nor do I, though I know the truth of who Bel'al is. There is too much to call it coincidence. And I have quite an idea about who you are.

 

May the Mod's good grace be with you

 

Sounds a bit stuffy or pretentious to me.

[Barmacral]

*modspanks Moggy*

 

There! Take that! A sore tushy for you!

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

Oh, yes, my dear Mod! Do it again! *rips neckline of her dress getting up*

[Aginor-Mafia]

...

::)

*Whistles*

...

*Takes pictures*

*Blackmails Barm*

SEND ME THE NAMES OF ALL THE MAFIA PLAYERS, OR THESE PICS HIT THE INTERNET!

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

They are all in the first post. :D

[Aginor-Mafia]

I meant the people that are evil :P

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

Those too. :P