Mafia: Wild Wild West

[Vemynal]

In relation to Safir's questions- you don't, in fact you have to assume everyones lying.

 

Something I was once told though; "The best lie has its foundation in truth".

 

So with experienced sboyd i've been looking at that. For the rest of you i've been making the assumption that your new and your lies would be a bit less skill full. So I'm lookign for bits that don't fit.

 

But all the pieces fit, even if they are suspicious. That why were lost =/

[Thorum]

My vote goes to [glow=red,2,300]Vemynal[/glow].

 

If he has been found guilty, ...

[Safir]

he has

 

I just hope I can find the other one tonight.

[Thorum]

Let's hope.

 

Still leelou, safir and me to go.

 

The "if" stood there, because someone can counterclaim and say they are the sheriff. Not frequently, but sometimes it happens.

[Vemynal]

O.o and now things move along at least

 

Well then, i know I'm innocent. So likely Safir is evil then and pretending to be the finder. Or he's a civy who thinks I'm evil and is pulling a stunt (not likely).

 

Why should anyone believe you Safir? i admit that vs. you whose seemed to be an angel this whole game I lack the credibility to make you seem evil. But I know am innocent and now I'm stuck =/

 

You played a good game [glow=red,2,300]Safir[/glow], my hats off to you.

 

 

edit-

 

Vote count stands

Vemynal (2) Safir, Thorum

Safir (1) Vemynal

[Safir]

Well, before we go rushing off on whos lying, Vem, lets see if anyone else claims Sherif.  They wont, unless thier the other bloodhound.  You know why?  Cause I'm the Sherif, that's why!

 

Let's see everyone elses reactions when they come.  You played an extremely good game.  You had me convinced many times, that is, until I remembered Barm saying you're evil.

 

That's why I jumped on when Jackdaw was going after you, but when it was clear no one was buying it, I backed off.

[Vemynal]

Well, before we go rushing off on whos lying, Vem, lets see if anyone else claims Sherif.  They wont, unless thier the other bloodhound.  You know why?  Cause I'm the Sherif, that's why!

 

Let's see everyone elses reactions when they come.  You played an extremely good game.  You had me convinced many times, that is, until I remembered Barm saying you're evil.

 

That's why I jumped on when Jackdaw was going after you, but when it was clear no one was buying it, I backed off.

 

1) so your saying the reasons people should believe you is because your telling the truth? And btw, I covered this already, the real finder might be staying hidden since there *are* to murders left and for all the finder knows were both evil and putting this on to smoke him or her out.

 

2) Barm never claimed I'm evil. I've claimed I'm evil, but I also said that their was a difference between evil and murderer. i was making a joke about how I'm a rather evil person off the net.

 

3) According to yourself, u knew I was evil night one. When Day 2 started Jackdaw voted for me off the bat. You waited for awhile and then voted for me half way threw. You didn't "jump on". You made a post finding me suspicious and then going after me in another a day and half later.

 

 

 

Oh and btw, why did this "revealment" come out when i stated reading your posts more closely?

[Thorum]

1 will not happen. Normally, if a finder has found an evil and it's endgame, the finder reveals. If safir fake-claims, someone else will claim, since we'll then know safir (or the counter-claimer) is quilty.

 

2: of whom else than barm would the finder have had his opinions?

 

3: that's called tact. Or noob

[Vemynal]

hmmm, Thorum, why have you been rushing to protect Safir so much?

 

Now thats interesting

[Safir]

Okay,

 

1.The way things are the Healer should protect the Sherif, if he/she is smart.  That is one reason I revealed, because the Healer can and should protect me.  Plus, I am the Sherif, and you are evil.

 

2. yes, barm never did confirm your guilt on thread.  That is true.

 

3. Okay, excuse me for forgetting that I wanted to find a reason to jump on because I knew you were guilty.

 

I've been having a battle with myself about revealing after Twitch died.  It had nothing to do with you trying to case me.

[Thorum]

I'm not rushing to protect Safir

 

I'm just stating your arguments why he must false-claim make no sense at all. For which reason I'ld have voted for you anyway (over nae, if no 'quilty' had been found), since it is the most last-rescue-try-argumentation I've seen in the 3 games (including this one) I've played here.

 

Sorry for being rude, but not for voting.

[Safir]

Of course, Vem, I wouldn't expect you to admit your guilt.

 

EDIT: That just wouldn't make this game fun at all, would it?

[Vemynal]

Okay,

 

1.The way things are the Healer should protect the Sherif, if he/she is smart. That is one reason I revealed, because the Healer can and should protect me.  Plus, I am the Sherif, and you are evil.

Again, what proof do you have? 'I'm good your evil" isn't a sufficient arguement

 

2. yes, barm never did confirm your guilt on thread.  That is true.

So once again all you've given is your word, why should anyone believe you?

 

3. Okay, excuse me for forgetting that I wanted to find a reason to jump on because I knew you were guilty.

 

I've been having a battle with myself about revealing after Twitch died.  It had nothing to do with you trying to case me.

 

A battle with yourself, sure. And I have been drinking tea with the queen. i gotta admit that this is a gutsy move though. Win or lose my hats off to you Safir.

[Vemynal]

I'm not rushing to protect Safir

 

I'm just stating your arguments why he must false-claim make no sense at all. For which reason I'ld have voted for you anyway (over nae, if no 'quilty' had been found), since it is the most last-rescue-try-argumentation I've seen in the 3 games (including this one) I've played here.

 

Sorry for being rude, but not for voting.

 

yeah, and you did it in about 3 seconds after I posted it. And don't apologize Thorum, hold your head high and proud. you've just helped the murders win the game

 

 

Of course, Vem, I wouldn't expect you to admit your guilt.

 

EDIT: That just wouldn't make this game fun at all, would it?

 

And nor would i have expected you to admit yours Safir. You still haven't given any hard evidence. Only opinion. Show me fact.

[Safir]

Well...I believe Barm said something about "Not allowed to quote things said in his PM's"?

 

But I'll have a go see if I can do this without breaking that rule.  Barm sent me a PM telling me I was the Sherif.  Barm sent me a PM telling me that you are guilty.

 

Really, if you expect Barm to back me up...*shakes head*  That wouldn't be fair at all.

 

...I always wanted to meet the queen, how is she?

[Thorum]

The only proof for a sheriff-claim is no one else counterclaiming.

 

Curious what lee, boyd and nae are gonna do...

 

EDIT: And Vemy, 12:11:45 AM to 12:15:47 AM is a little more than 3 seconds. I am online, so I see it quickly.

[Vemynal]

1) yes you can't quote anything i a pm (least till the game is over. then all the hidden junk comes out)

 

2) Again, no proof. Safir, I'm saying if you oh so find me evil then case me, i dare ya! it couldn't be hard considering everything I've done till now admittedly hasn't made me look any more innocent.

 

3) I don't know, never met her

 

>:(

 

I REALLY gotta read my book, but I don't wanna lose the game.

 

At least don't finish me between now and 6 or 6:30 and 9pm. I'd prefer to have the chance to defend myself at least. (thats my time btw)

 

so lets see. I posted this at 2:28pm sooo since its 3:28 here...

 

Don't lynch me ecpet between the hours of 2&1/2 hours from now. and 3 to 5 hours from now.

[Thorum]

No case is needed for the sheriff.

[Vemynal]

and whose to say he's really the sheriff hmm?

[Thorum]

re-read the last post on the previous page.

 

As long as no one counterclaims, I'm gonna believe him.

[Safir]

Like Thorum said, no need to case.  I KNOW you're guilty.

 

I wonder how jackdaw knew...

[Safir]

I have no problem with waiting, Vem.  You're just wasting your time though.

 

*NOTE:  everyone, this is engame I believe, so we need to Lynch Vem.  There's no room for second-guessing.  It's lynch Vem, or Vem wins.*

[Thorum]

Which means, with 6 players left and probably 2 evils (not 3, or it would be game over!!!) and a finder and a healer. That's only 2 unroled players. And it means that, if we lynch an innocent and the healer is not protecting the correct person: it's game over and the wrong side has won.

 

We seriously are in endgame and it is not looking very good.

 

So: 6 players left

 

1 finder (sheriff)

1 healer

2 evils (maybe 1, but probably not)

2 roleless innocents

 

Killing an innocent, brings it, with the nightkill, to 2 evils; 2 innocents, and we have lost.

 

And, after vem, we really need the second evil tomorrow, or we've lost as well.

 

This is an endgame like I've never witnessed before.

[Safir]

Well, IF someone counter-claims sherrif, we'll know who the other mafia is!

[Thorum]

No, we won't. It can still be both you and him/her, and vem or whoever he/she says as quilty