Sailor Moon Mafia [Advanced] Game Thread

[Eldrick4221]

Definitely not voting them today, but I'm wary

[Fredwood]

Ok I'll go into the bad and try to stop myself from getting too wally.

 

I'll state the obvious... Scruff bad, but I did lol at him trying to throw Shade at MrsC for pressuring him.  Either just him not paying attention or trying a derpclear, dunno, it's NAI I think but it made me laugh.

 

The rest: Cuth, Coward, Ironeyes, Darthe, are all a big bowl of soup that's swirling around. I won't say null because I have a few thoughts and order of preference there but nothing major.

 

Ok so, Bop v Zander.  This has been a rollercoaster with a merry go-round.

 

Bop has at confessed to loving to mess with Penny elsewhere, so I did initially read his wolf peek jab as a joke.  Maybe it was a bit of a RT I think it was innocuous enough, that it shouldn't have gotten to the point it did.  I think a lot of Zander's post early in the exchange was manipulative, particularly in the framing of his questions, and his insistence on the answering of said questions even though they would have had very little bearing on his read one way or the other and trying to pass it off like all he was doing was asking simple questions that weren't being answered.  At time I viewed this as V/V Zander W/ Spadesbop V.  I do empathize with Zander here, because I think I've fallen into that trap a little recently where I kind of bulldog on one thing, I'm usually good about, (at least I hope I am) about letting it go before it gets to the point it did.

 

My problem comes up later, and I first noticed it on Bop's read list, which Zander pointed out was easy. Additionally it's been discussed already so I really don't have a ton to weigh in on that, but it did get me paying more attention to Spadesbop's posts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Youve only played 3 games you said, have you read any others?

 

Who have you played with before that are currently in this game and what alignments have you seen these people play?

 

• Cordyx-  You feel confident that you know Cory's Town game?  You dont think he could do the Bolded as Scum!Cory?  So Im guessing your read on them is Null to slightly Town?
• Describe what you think Eld's Town and Scum games look like for me please?  I wanna see where youre trying to draw your baseline from.
• I tunnel as both alignments so thats Null.  Cory asked me to give you some space so I will for now.  Ill leave my issues to the side for now and just move forward and will see if I need to go back and pursue or drop that particular issue.  

Gonna wait till you answer my top questions first I suppose before i go into too many reads list questions my dear.

 

I haven't spectated or read any games I wasn't in (I did answer this question earlier)

 

I've played with Bop and Cory in a Hydra game (Cory subbed out of that game after D1) Both of them were V. Last game I played had Eldrick and Darthe in it. Eldrick was V, Darthe was W.

 

I do not feel confident about Cory, but I have a decent idea just from what I've seen/heard about his play. Bop is also experience with him so I have a second perspective point. With him asking you to back off and generally keeping things light, it feels very similar to his Hydra game. It will take some time, though. I also added that he's a very experience player, and he told me himself he didn't mind playing wolf and had no problems with faking villager in that role.

 

I've only seen Eldrick as town, and with that he was just so all over the place. He made points that didn't seem logical (some did but most had me scratching my head all game). I have no idea what his wolf game would look like, but right now I'm getting very lack luster content from him. It could be that it's early and nobody has pinged him yet, but as of right now I am weary that he's not standing out more.

 

I have never played with you, and as much as I would like to trust your word/others, I have to follow your actions. Everyone else is town reading you, but I can't just lock you clear because you're following your meta. Understand I am skeptical of literally everyone but Linz. 

 

 

I dunno man some of your reads dont make much sense then with your responses here.  Like theyre based on having a fair bot of exp/Meta and a decent baseline to formulate these from.  Like there assumptive but without the stuff I mentioned it dont seem to add as on organic read to me.  Im also pretty high so maybe its just me?!?!?!!?

 

lololololol

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nothing I say is ever good enough for you, I can't be anything but myself. 

 

Do what you gotta do~

 

 

 

 

There was 3 posts the Spades half of the hydra gave me a little concern.  First Zander is pushing on a separate issue other then the won that dominated the discussion.  Part of me likes the confidence, but at the very best Zander is a discredited townie at this point, so I'm pretty sure even scum would be fine with being dismissive with him at this point.  I think it's a little unfair to kind of lump his push here with his faulty push earlier especially when I feel he's trying to be more careful in his questioning this time and is trying to avoid confbias. However Spades finally did address it later, for whatever that is worth.

 

The second post is just a less demonstrative version of that post where she basically pushes all the issues of the fight back on him.  It's just more of the same really, so I won't bother quoting it, plus it's hard to quote.

 

The 3rd isn't really a post it's a number of posts, specifically regarding her Darthe read.  She said that he wasn't providing a new point of view and hadn't said anything that stuck out to her, which feels like a bit of an undercut. Couple that with the fact that the majority of her reads and explanations of her stances rely on the constant mentioning of her experience, both overall and from a meta perspective, and as a result is reluctant to take a hard stance on a number of people, so I don't want to say double standard because it seems rude, and it may not be intentional on her part anyway, it was just something I thought I should mention.

 

HOWEVER

 

Imma about to say some nice things about her because I spent a lot of time on 3 posts.  Maybe I'm the naive one now, but I have a hard time seeing a newplayer scum!Spades would be top poster making a lot of content, and making her fair share of contribution to the game if she is scum.  Being in a Hydra, and in a Mafia may mitigate that, but there's still a lot of what feels like unsupervised posting on her part. And the majority of it has been fine, I like in her reads that she's specifically mentioning games to try and establish a meta for players, and is leaving breadcrumbs for people if they want to check up on her statements.  Granted a lot of her participation is because she's friends with a lot of people in the thread, but I do think she's provided a ton of actual analyzable content.  It's just that I had a few pings from the slot so I can't put them green or in my delicious Nullread Stew.

[Fleeing Coward]

 

 

 

Fredwood clearly a scummy sub. Should lynch him while we can.

wolfy popin

 

obvscum

 

In that case you'll like what I'm going to do next even more.

 

*wolfy popout*

 

it's okay i've already peeked you scum n0 it's not like you have to try anyway

 

hope you appreciate <3

 

 

Thanks Cuth, let me go find some lolcats then. 

 

I'm going to go with scum in 2/7/8/11 based on gut. 

[Fredwood]

 

Ok caught up, first to the good.

 

Sooh and Eldrick, unless there's a mechanical reason to doubt them, I'm not voting for them during this game.

 

Sooh: Oddly enough for her interaction with my slot.  Zara dumb, and did dumb thing.  I think Clov did a decent job of analyzing this when he weighed in on it.  And since I'm town, I  know the Zara post was a joke, and that I am in fact not that claim.  I'd like to add to the Clov post, I can quote it if need be but essentially he breaks down the 3 possibilities.  I think it being a Mafia safe claim isn't likely, because as what has been inferred by people more familiar with the source material, and just my educated guesses from the style of the nomenclature, that it being a safe claim for Mafia to me is unlikely.  For all these reasons, it's a half derp I like Sooh.  There is a minor concern, but it's more of a meta of her meta reads based on 1 game of experience.  Her tone is all over the place, but consistent with the players she's interacting with.

 

Eldrick...exclusively for his pushing on both sides of Scruffy.  I know one can be OMGUS, but he also challenged Darthe when he was challenging someone for their vote on Scruffy. The interaction felt very townie for me...(Again Clov pointed this out before I had to chance to bring it up...fking catch up)  I don't know, I just really like that interaction and his other content has been good for me, not necessarily from a solving standpoint but from a townie standpoint.  He's pressuring (Examples when he voted Iron and pulled on Darthe) and pulled back when they responded to him, and pressured and maintained it (ex: Scruff) when they didn't.  

 

If I knew how to iso and easily find the post I was looking for, I'll give another specific example though.  

 

Sooh was being questioned by Spades for taking a neutral to friendly tone with Scruff and trying to get him to respond to questions instead of hard pressuring him for his vote on Eldrick. After some discussion Eldrick pointed out how he felt his questioning was neutral of Scruffy as well, and how Scruffy's response seemed unnecessarily gruff. I felt his questioning of Scruffy's vote was indeed fair and neutral (perhaps not as sweet as Sooh), and it was a fair criticism and genuinely felt like frustration at being blown off. Dunno, that's just a strong read. If either of you are scum good on ya.

 

I'll also throw Clov (and I guess Cory cus they hydra but specifically Chris is getting the credit) up here, but as what you would call a light green. I don't think I'll vote for them this game either.  I hate to really go into too much detail cus pocketing, and there is no way to prove that I didn't have these same thoughts before I read where he expressed the same thoughts.

 

I'll stop here and catch up and post more thoughts and stuff...obviously Mrs Clovx goes up here as well.

 

1) Is there anybody you WOULD like to vote at this point?

2) If you think that I'm easily susceptible to people stroking my ego, you are sadly correct.

 

 

1) Scruffy...is easy, but he's the only one I really don't have something positive to say about. I can literally say something positive about almost anyone else aside from Coward and Cuth, but they also haven't given me any reason to suspect them either.

 

2) You are a very handsome and muscular male.

[Fredwood]

Also apologies for my wall posts everyone, I tried to do you all a favor and break them up, but they still have a ton of content in them, cus,,,,,DAMN

[Fleeing Coward]

And by gut, I mean I have read virtually nothing before I entered and am just picking numbers at random.

[Fredwood]

 

 

I want to see what fred thinks of the people not named sooh/eldrick

 

(and yes i know he mentions clov a bit but i still want moar!)

He said my name too! You jealous Boppy? ;)

 

 

I also think you are a handsome man with a sensual voice.  Also, I like the cut of your gifposts.

[Fleeing Coward]

So matching numbers with names, the scum team is therefore exactly Sooh, Linz and Derf as upon further inspection, no. 11 is lock town.

[bopolis]

So matching numbers with names, the scum team is therefore exactly Sooh, Linz and Derf as upon further inspection, no. 11 is lock town.

 

this is a spicy meatball

[Fredwood]

 

 

Ok I'll go into the bad and try to stop myself from getting too wally.

 

I'll state the obvious... Scruff bad, but I did lol at him trying to throw Shade at MrsC for pressuring him.  Either just him not paying attention or trying a derpclear, dunno, it's NAI I think but it made me laugh.

 

The rest: Cuth, Coward, Ironeyes, Darthe, are all a big bowl of soup that's swirling around. I won't say null because I have a few thoughts and order of preference there but nothing major.

 

Ok so, Bop v Zander.  This has been a rollercoaster with a merry go-round.

 

Bop has at confessed to loving to mess with Penny elsewhere, so I did initially read his wolf peek jab as a joke.  Maybe it was a bit of a RT I think it was innocuous enough, that it shouldn't have gotten to the point it did.  I think a lot of Zander's post early in the exchange was manipulative, particularly in the framing of his questions, and his insistence on the answering of said questions even though they would have had very little bearing on his read one way or the other and trying to pass it off like all he was doing was asking simple questions that weren't being answered.  At time I viewed this as V/V Zander W/ Spadesbop V.  I do empathize with Zander here, because I think I've fallen into that trap a little recently where I kind of bulldog on one thing, I'm usually good about, (at least I hope I am) about letting it go before it gets to the point it did.

 

My problem comes up later, and I first noticed it on Bop's read list, which Zander pointed out was easy. Additionally it's been discussed already so I really don't have a ton to weigh in on that, but it did get me paying more attention to Spadesbop's posts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Youve only played 3 games you said, have you read any others?

 

Who have you played with before that are currently in this game and what alignments have you seen these people play?

 

• Cordyx-  You feel confident that you know Cory's Town game?  You dont think he could do the Bolded as Scum!Cory?  So Im guessing your read on them is Null to slightly Town?
• Describe what you think Eld's Town and Scum games look like for me please?  I wanna see where youre trying to draw your baseline from.
• I tunnel as both alignments so thats Null.  Cory asked me to give you some space so I will for now.  Ill leave my issues to the side for now and just move forward and will see if I need to go back and pursue or drop that particular issue.  

Gonna wait till you answer my top questions first I suppose before i go into too many reads list questions my dear.

 

I haven't spectated or read any games I wasn't in (I did answer this question earlier)

 

I've played with Bop and Cory in a Hydra game (Cory subbed out of that game after D1) Both of them were V. Last game I played had Eldrick and Darthe in it. Eldrick was V, Darthe was W.

 

I do not feel confident about Cory, but I have a decent idea just from what I've seen/heard about his play. Bop is also experience with him so I have a second perspective point. With him asking you to back off and generally keeping things light, it feels very similar to his Hydra game. It will take some time, though. I also added that he's a very experience player, and he told me himself he didn't mind playing wolf and had no problems with faking villager in that role.

 

I've only seen Eldrick as town, and with that he was just so all over the place. He made points that didn't seem logical (some did but most had me scratching my head all game). I have no idea what his wolf game would look like, but right now I'm getting very lack luster content from him. It could be that it's early and nobody has pinged him yet, but as of right now I am weary that he's not standing out more.

 

I have never played with you, and as much as I would like to trust your word/others, I have to follow your actions. Everyone else is town reading you, but I can't just lock you clear because you're following your meta. Understand I am skeptical of literally everyone but Linz. 

 

 

I dunno man some of your reads dont make much sense then with your responses here.  Like theyre based on having a fair bot of exp/Meta and a decent baseline to formulate these from.  Like there assumptive but without the stuff I mentioned it dont seem to add as on organic read to me.  Im also pretty high so maybe its just me?!?!?!!?

 

lololololol

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nothing I say is ever good enough for you, I can't be anything but myself. 

 

Do what you gotta do~

 

 

 

 

There was 3 posts the Spades half of the hydra gave me a little concern.  First Zander is pushing on a separate issue other then the won that dominated the discussion.  Part of me likes the confidence, but at the very best Zander is a discredited townie at this point, so I'm pretty sure even scum would be fine with being dismissive with him at this point.  I think it's a little unfair to kind of lump his push here with his faulty push earlier especially when I feel he's trying to be more careful in his questioning this time and is trying to avoid confbias. However Spades finally did address it later, for whatever that is worth.

 

The second post is just a less demonstrative version of that post where she basically pushes all the issues of the fight back on him.  It's just more of the same really, so I won't bother quoting it, plus it's hard to quote.

 

The 3rd isn't really a post it's a number of posts, specifically regarding her Darthe read.  She said that he wasn't providing a new point of view and hadn't said anything that stuck out to her, which feels like a bit of an undercut. Couple that with the fact that the majority of her reads and explanations of her stances rely on the constant mentioning of her experience, both overall and from a meta perspective, and as a result is reluctant to take a hard stance on a number of people, so I don't want to say double standard because it seems rude, and it may not be intentional on her part anyway, it was just something I thought I should mention.

 

HOWEVER

 

Imma about to say some nice things about her because I spent a lot of time on 3 posts.  Maybe I'm the naive one now, but I have a hard time seeing a newplayer scum!Spades would be top poster making a lot of content, and making her fair share of contribution to the game if she is scum.  Being in a Hydra, and in a Mafia may mitigate that, but there's still a lot of what feels like unsupervised posting on her part. And the majority of it has been fine, I like in her reads that she's specifically mentioning games to try and establish a meta for players, and is leaving breadcrumbs for people if they want to check up on her statements.  Granted a lot of her participation is because she's friends with a lot of people in the thread, but I do think she's provided a ton of actual analyzable content.  It's just that I had a few pings from the slot so I can't put them green or in my delicious Nullread Stew.

 

 

 

I guess I want to clarify because I meant to put analysis here about the interactions, so it was less about the pings and more about what I think flips will mean. I'd like to hear thoughts on where I'm at.

 

My gut is that a wolf flip from Darthe would clear SpadesBop and vice versa...I'm shaky on this assumption, but again, this is my gut talking, so I can't really express my feels yet.

 

Obviously a Zander flip would clear them and vice versa.  I think this is really the only flip based info we have in the thread at this point, which is why I kind of spent so much time on it.

 

On the miniscule chance that Sooh could be scum, I don't think a Sooh flip would clear Spadesbop, that interaction could be very well staged.

 

I'm not pushing for a lynch on any of these parties today because 1st I'm not really sure if there's an order of priority yet for any of them, and while there's been a lot of content from all 4 slots, there hasn't been enough for me to confidently say oh yeah I want to lynch X over Y.

[Fredwood]

So matching numbers with names, the scum team is therefore exactly Sooh, Linz and Derf as upon further inspection, no. 11 is lock town.

How much can you really trust Hallia though?

[bopolis]

 

 

Ok I'll go into the bad and try to stop myself from getting too wally.

 

I'll state the obvious... Scruff bad, but I did lol at him trying to throw Shade at MrsC for pressuring him.  Either just him not paying attention or trying a derpclear, dunno, it's NAI I think but it made me laugh.

 

The rest: Cuth, Coward, Ironeyes, Darthe, are all a big bowl of soup that's swirling around. I won't say null because I have a few thoughts and order of preference there but nothing major.

 

Ok so, Bop v Zander.  This has been a rollercoaster with a merry go-round.

 

Bop has at confessed to loving to mess with Penny elsewhere, so I did initially read his wolf peek jab as a joke.  Maybe it was a bit of a RT I think it was innocuous enough, that it shouldn't have gotten to the point it did.  I think a lot of Zander's post early in the exchange was manipulative, particularly in the framing of his questions, and his insistence on the answering of said questions even though they would have had very little bearing on his read one way or the other and trying to pass it off like all he was doing was asking simple questions that weren't being answered.  At time I viewed this as V/V Zander W/ Spadesbop V.  I do empathize with Zander here, because I think I've fallen into that trap a little recently where I kind of bulldog on one thing, I'm usually good about, (at least I hope I am) about letting it go before it gets to the point it did.

 

My problem comes up later, and I first noticed it on Bop's read list, which Zander pointed out was easy. Additionally it's been discussed already so I really don't have a ton to weigh in on that, but it did get me paying more attention to Spadesbop's posts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Youve only played 3 games you said, have you read any others?

 

Who have you played with before that are currently in this game and what alignments have you seen these people play?

 

• Cordyx-  You feel confident that you know Cory's Town game?  You dont think he could do the Bolded as Scum!Cory?  So Im guessing your read on them is Null to slightly Town?
• Describe what you think Eld's Town and Scum games look like for me please?  I wanna see where youre trying to draw your baseline from.
• I tunnel as both alignments so thats Null.  Cory asked me to give you some space so I will for now.  Ill leave my issues to the side for now and just move forward and will see if I need to go back and pursue or drop that particular issue.  

Gonna wait till you answer my top questions first I suppose before i go into too many reads list questions my dear.

 

I haven't spectated or read any games I wasn't in (I did answer this question earlier)

 

I've played with Bop and Cory in a Hydra game (Cory subbed out of that game after D1) Both of them were V. Last game I played had Eldrick and Darthe in it. Eldrick was V, Darthe was W.

 

I do not feel confident about Cory, but I have a decent idea just from what I've seen/heard about his play. Bop is also experience with him so I have a second perspective point. With him asking you to back off and generally keeping things light, it feels very similar to his Hydra game. It will take some time, though. I also added that he's a very experience player, and he told me himself he didn't mind playing wolf and had no problems with faking villager in that role.

 

I've only seen Eldrick as town, and with that he was just so all over the place. He made points that didn't seem logical (some did but most had me scratching my head all game). I have no idea what his wolf game would look like, but right now I'm getting very lack luster content from him. It could be that it's early and nobody has pinged him yet, but as of right now I am weary that he's not standing out more.

 

I have never played with you, and as much as I would like to trust your word/others, I have to follow your actions. Everyone else is town reading you, but I can't just lock you clear because you're following your meta. Understand I am skeptical of literally everyone but Linz. 

 

 

I dunno man some of your reads dont make much sense then with your responses here.  Like theyre based on having a fair bot of exp/Meta and a decent baseline to formulate these from.  Like there assumptive but without the stuff I mentioned it dont seem to add as on organic read to me.  Im also pretty high so maybe its just me?!?!?!!?

 

lololololol

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nothing I say is ever good enough for you, I can't be anything but myself. 

 

Do what you gotta do~

 

 

 

 

There was 3 posts the Spades half of the hydra gave me a little concern.  First Zander is pushing on a separate issue other then the won that dominated the discussion.  Part of me likes the confidence, but at the very best Zander is a discredited townie at this point, so I'm pretty sure even scum would be fine with being dismissive with him at this point.  I think it's a little unfair to kind of lump his push here with his faulty push earlier especially when I feel he's trying to be more careful in his questioning this time and is trying to avoid confbias. However Spades finally did address it later, for whatever that is worth.

 

The second post is just a less demonstrative version of that post where she basically pushes all the issues of the fight back on him.  It's just more of the same really, so I won't bother quoting it, plus it's hard to quote.

 

The 3rd isn't really a post it's a number of posts, specifically regarding her Darthe read.  She said that he wasn't providing a new point of view and hadn't said anything that stuck out to her, which feels like a bit of an undercut. Couple that with the fact that the majority of her reads and explanations of her stances rely on the constant mentioning of her experience, both overall and from a meta perspective, and as a result is reluctant to take a hard stance on a number of people, so I don't want to say double standard because it seems rude, and it may not be intentional on her part anyway, it was just something I thought I should mention.

 

HOWEVER

 

Imma about to say some nice things about her because I spent a lot of time on 3 posts.  Maybe I'm the naive one now, but I have a hard time seeing a newplayer scum!Spades would be top poster making a lot of content, and making her fair share of contribution to the game if she is scum.  Being in a Hydra, and in a Mafia may mitigate that, but there's still a lot of what feels like unsupervised posting on her part. And the majority of it has been fine, I like in her reads that she's specifically mentioning games to try and establish a meta for players, and is leaving breadcrumbs for people if they want to check up on her statements.  Granted a lot of her participation is because she's friends with a lot of people in the thread, but I do think she's provided a ton of actual analyzable content.  It's just that I had a few pings from the slot so I can't put them green or in my delicious Nullread Stew.

 

 

 

I guess I want to clarify because I meant to put analysis here about the interactions, so it was less about the pings and more about what I think flips will mean. I'd like to hear thoughts on where I'm at.

 

My gut is that a wolf flip from Darthe would clear SpadesBop and vice versa...I'm shaky on this assumption, but again, this is my gut talking, so I can't really express my feels yet.

 

Obviously a Zander flip would clear them and vice versa.  I think this is really the only flip based info we have in the thread at this point, which is why I kind of spent so much time on it.

 

On the miniscule chance that Sooh could be scum, I don't think a Sooh flip would clear Spadesbop, that interaction could be very well staged.

 

I'm not pushing for a lynch on any of these parties today because 1st I'm not really sure if there's an order of priority yet for any of them, and while there's been a lot of content from all 4 slots, there hasn't been enough for me to confidently say oh yeah I want to lynch X over Y.

 

talk about how darthe flip would clear me and vice versa.

 

i dont follow why you come to that conclusion

[Fleeing Coward]

 

So matching numbers with names, the scum team is therefore exactly Sooh, Linz and Derf as upon further inspection, no. 11 is lock town.

How much can you really trust Hallia though?

 

I'm trust the almighty RNGesus. It has never steered me wrong much

[Fleeing Coward]

 

So matching numbers with names, the scum team is therefore exactly Sooh, Linz and Derf as upon further inspection, no. 11 is lock town.

How much can you really trust Hallia though?

 

I'm trust the almighty RNGesus. It has never steered me wrong much

[Fredwood]

 

 

 

Ok I'll go into the bad and try to stop myself from getting too wally.

 

I'll state the obvious... Scruff bad, but I did lol at him trying to throw Shade at MrsC for pressuring him.  Either just him not paying attention or trying a derpclear, dunno, it's NAI I think but it made me laugh.

 

The rest: Cuth, Coward, Ironeyes, Darthe, are all a big bowl of soup that's swirling around. I won't say null because I have a few thoughts and order of preference there but nothing major.

 

Ok so, Bop v Zander.  This has been a rollercoaster with a merry go-round.

 

Bop has at confessed to loving to mess with Penny elsewhere, so I did initially read his wolf peek jab as a joke.  Maybe it was a bit of a RT I think it was innocuous enough, that it shouldn't have gotten to the point it did.  I think a lot of Zander's post early in the exchange was manipulative, particularly in the framing of his questions, and his insistence on the answering of said questions even though they would have had very little bearing on his read one way or the other and trying to pass it off like all he was doing was asking simple questions that weren't being answered.  At time I viewed this as V/V Zander W/ Spadesbop V.  I do empathize with Zander here, because I think I've fallen into that trap a little recently where I kind of bulldog on one thing, I'm usually good about, (at least I hope I am) about letting it go before it gets to the point it did.

 

My problem comes up later, and I first noticed it on Bop's read list, which Zander pointed out was easy. Additionally it's been discussed already so I really don't have a ton to weigh in on that, but it did get me paying more attention to Spadesbop's posts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Youve only played 3 games you said, have you read any others?

 

Who have you played with before that are currently in this game and what alignments have you seen these people play?

 

• Cordyx-  You feel confident that you know Cory's Town game?  You dont think he could do the Bolded as Scum!Cory?  So Im guessing your read on them is Null to slightly Town?
• Describe what you think Eld's Town and Scum games look like for me please?  I wanna see where youre trying to draw your baseline from.
• I tunnel as both alignments so thats Null.  Cory asked me to give you some space so I will for now.  Ill leave my issues to the side for now and just move forward and will see if I need to go back and pursue or drop that particular issue.  

Gonna wait till you answer my top questions first I suppose before i go into too many reads list questions my dear.

 

I haven't spectated or read any games I wasn't in (I did answer this question earlier)

 

I've played with Bop and Cory in a Hydra game (Cory subbed out of that game after D1) Both of them were V. Last game I played had Eldrick and Darthe in it. Eldrick was V, Darthe was W.

 

I do not feel confident about Cory, but I have a decent idea just from what I've seen/heard about his play. Bop is also experience with him so I have a second perspective point. With him asking you to back off and generally keeping things light, it feels very similar to his Hydra game. It will take some time, though. I also added that he's a very experience player, and he told me himself he didn't mind playing wolf and had no problems with faking villager in that role.

 

I've only seen Eldrick as town, and with that he was just so all over the place. He made points that didn't seem logical (some did but most had me scratching my head all game). I have no idea what his wolf game would look like, but right now I'm getting very lack luster content from him. It could be that it's early and nobody has pinged him yet, but as of right now I am weary that he's not standing out more.

 

I have never played with you, and as much as I would like to trust your word/others, I have to follow your actions. Everyone else is town reading you, but I can't just lock you clear because you're following your meta. Understand I am skeptical of literally everyone but Linz. 

 

 

I dunno man some of your reads dont make much sense then with your responses here.  Like theyre based on having a fair bot of exp/Meta and a decent baseline to formulate these from.  Like there assumptive but without the stuff I mentioned it dont seem to add as on organic read to me.  Im also pretty high so maybe its just me?!?!?!!?

 

lololololol

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nothing I say is ever good enough for you, I can't be anything but myself. 

 

Do what you gotta do~

 

 

 

 

There was 3 posts the Spades half of the hydra gave me a little concern.  First Zander is pushing on a separate issue other then the won that dominated the discussion.  Part of me likes the confidence, but at the very best Zander is a discredited townie at this point, so I'm pretty sure even scum would be fine with being dismissive with him at this point.  I think it's a little unfair to kind of lump his push here with his faulty push earlier especially when I feel he's trying to be more careful in his questioning this time and is trying to avoid confbias. However Spades finally did address it later, for whatever that is worth.

 

The second post is just a less demonstrative version of that post where she basically pushes all the issues of the fight back on him.  It's just more of the same really, so I won't bother quoting it, plus it's hard to quote.

 

The 3rd isn't really a post it's a number of posts, specifically regarding her Darthe read.  She said that he wasn't providing a new point of view and hadn't said anything that stuck out to her, which feels like a bit of an undercut. Couple that with the fact that the majority of her reads and explanations of her stances rely on the constant mentioning of her experience, both overall and from a meta perspective, and as a result is reluctant to take a hard stance on a number of people, so I don't want to say double standard because it seems rude, and it may not be intentional on her part anyway, it was just something I thought I should mention.

 

HOWEVER

 

Imma about to say some nice things about her because I spent a lot of time on 3 posts.  Maybe I'm the naive one now, but I have a hard time seeing a newplayer scum!Spades would be top poster making a lot of content, and making her fair share of contribution to the game if she is scum.  Being in a Hydra, and in a Mafia may mitigate that, but there's still a lot of what feels like unsupervised posting on her part. And the majority of it has been fine, I like in her reads that she's specifically mentioning games to try and establish a meta for players, and is leaving breadcrumbs for people if they want to check up on her statements.  Granted a lot of her participation is because she's friends with a lot of people in the thread, but I do think she's provided a ton of actual analyzable content.  It's just that I had a few pings from the slot so I can't put them green or in my delicious Nullread Stew.

 

 

 

I guess I want to clarify because I meant to put analysis here about the interactions, so it was less about the pings and more about what I think flips will mean. I'd like to hear thoughts on where I'm at.

 

My gut is that a wolf flip from Darthe would clear SpadesBop and vice versa...I'm shaky on this assumption, but again, this is my gut talking, so I can't really express my feels yet.

 

Obviously a Zander flip would clear them and vice versa.  I think this is really the only flip based info we have in the thread at this point, which is why I kind of spent so much time on it.

 

On the miniscule chance that Sooh could be scum, I don't think a Sooh flip would clear Spadesbop, that interaction could be very well staged.

 

I'm not pushing for a lynch on any of these parties today because 1st I'm not really sure if there's an order of priority yet for any of them, and while there's been a lot of content from all 4 slots, there hasn't been enough for me to confidently say oh yeah I want to lynch X over Y.

 

talk about how darthe flip would clear me and vice versa.

 

i dont follow why you come to that conclusion

 

Well it would more clear Spades imo, so you'd get drug to the clear as a result.

 

I just feel that in a scenario where Darthe and Spades are W/W I don't think that's an angle of attack she takes on him, even if it is for shade.  Maybe it's distancing, but it's too obvious for distancing, and considering the majority of her read posts, she's not quite willing to commit fully, so she's attacking him for something that she's a little weak on.

 

It's not a fully formed thought, I just think it's dangerous as spew if you are teammates.  Plus it's never good for teammates to undercut, if you're gonna attack them it should be for something specific, neutering them doesn't really serve a purpose imo.  

[Fleeing Coward]

 

So matching numbers with names, the scum team is therefore exactly Sooh, Linz and Derf as upon further inspection, no. 11 is lock town.

How much can you really trust Hallia though?

 

I have complete faith in the power of RNGesus except for the part where it called me a wolf

[Eldrick4221]

Also apologies for my wall posts everyone, I tried to do you all a favor and break them up, but they still have a ton of content in them, cus,,,,,***

Reminder that this site is pg-13. Not sure if that counts, but helps to be overmy cautious.

[Fleeing Coward]

 

So matching numbers with names, the scum team is therefore exactly Sooh, Linz and Derf as upon further inspection, no. 11 is lock town.

How much can you really trust Hallia though?

 

I have complete faith in the power of RNGesus except for the part where it called me a wolf

[Eldrick4221]

Also if a post takes forever to load..dont resend it. It will post, and your duplicate will too.

[Fleeing Coward]

 

So matching numbers with names, the scum team is therefore exactly Sooh, Linz and Derf as upon further inspection, no. 11 is lock town.

How much can you really trust Hallia though?

I have complete faith in RNGesus except for where it called me a wolf

[Spadeszee]

:v I'm confused as to how the flipping part works.

 

I'm pretty sure Zander is town but really stuck. If we get voted and we flip town, Zander is still probably town.

 

And I'm also confused about Darthe being related to us at all xD

 

You were starting to make sense but that last bit has me very confused.

 

I've said basically the same about Eldrick as I have about Darthe, so if he's town to you we must be wolfs,right?

[Spadeszee]

:v I'm confused as to how the flipping part works.

 

I'm pretty sure Zander is town but really stuck. If we get voted and we flip town, Zander is still probably town.

 

And I'm also confused about Darthe being related to us at all xD

 

You were starting to make sense but that last bit has me very confused.

 

I've said basically the same about Eldrick as I have about Darthe, so if he's town to you we must be wolfs,right?

[Fredwood]

 

 

 

Ok I'll go into the bad and try to stop myself from getting too wally.

 

I'll state the obvious... Scruff bad, but I did lol at him trying to throw Shade at MrsC for pressuring him.  Either just him not paying attention or trying a derpclear, dunno, it's NAI I think but it made me laugh.

 

The rest: Cuth, Coward, Ironeyes, Darthe, are all a big bowl of soup that's swirling around. I won't say null because I have a few thoughts and order of preference there but nothing major.

 

Ok so, Bop v Zander.  This has been a rollercoaster with a merry go-round.

 

Bop has at confessed to loving to mess with Penny elsewhere, so I did initially read his wolf peek jab as a joke.  Maybe it was a bit of a RT I think it was innocuous enough, that it shouldn't have gotten to the point it did.  I think a lot of Zander's post early in the exchange was manipulative, particularly in the framing of his questions, and his insistence on the answering of said questions even though they would have had very little bearing on his read one way or the other and trying to pass it off like all he was doing was asking simple questions that weren't being answered.  At time I viewed this as V/V Zander W/ Spadesbop V.  I do empathize with Zander here, because I think I've fallen into that trap a little recently where I kind of bulldog on one thing, I'm usually good about, (at least I hope I am) about letting it go before it gets to the point it did.

 

My problem comes up later, and I first noticed it on Bop's read list, which Zander pointed out was easy. Additionally it's been discussed already so I really don't have a ton to weigh in on that, but it did get me paying more attention to Spadesbop's posts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Youve only played 3 games you said, have you read any others?

 

Who have you played with before that are currently in this game and what alignments have you seen these people play?

 

• Cordyx-  You feel confident that you know Cory's Town game?  You dont think he could do the Bolded as Scum!Cory?  So Im guessing your read on them is Null to slightly Town?
• Describe what you think Eld's Town and Scum games look like for me please?  I wanna see where youre trying to draw your baseline from.
• I tunnel as both alignments so thats Null.  Cory asked me to give you some space so I will for now.  Ill leave my issues to the side for now and just move forward and will see if I need to go back and pursue or drop that particular issue.  

Gonna wait till you answer my top questions first I suppose before i go into too many reads list questions my dear.

 

I haven't spectated or read any games I wasn't in (I did answer this question earlier)

 

I've played with Bop and Cory in a Hydra game (Cory subbed out of that game after D1) Both of them were V. Last game I played had Eldrick and Darthe in it. Eldrick was V, Darthe was W.

 

I do not feel confident about Cory, but I have a decent idea just from what I've seen/heard about his play. Bop is also experience with him so I have a second perspective point. With him asking you to back off and generally keeping things light, it feels very similar to his Hydra game. It will take some time, though. I also added that he's a very experience player, and he told me himself he didn't mind playing wolf and had no problems with faking villager in that role.

 

I've only seen Eldrick as town, and with that he was just so all over the place. He made points that didn't seem logical (some did but most had me scratching my head all game). I have no idea what his wolf game would look like, but right now I'm getting very lack luster content from him. It could be that it's early and nobody has pinged him yet, but as of right now I am weary that he's not standing out more.

 

I have never played with you, and as much as I would like to trust your word/others, I have to follow your actions. Everyone else is town reading you, but I can't just lock you clear because you're following your meta. Understand I am skeptical of literally everyone but Linz. 

 

 

I dunno man some of your reads dont make much sense then with your responses here.  Like theyre based on having a fair bot of exp/Meta and a decent baseline to formulate these from.  Like there assumptive but without the stuff I mentioned it dont seem to add as on organic read to me.  Im also pretty high so maybe its just me?!?!?!!?

 

lololololol

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nothing I say is ever good enough for you, I can't be anything but myself. 

 

Do what you gotta do~

 

 

 

 

There was 3 posts the Spades half of the hydra gave me a little concern.  First Zander is pushing on a separate issue other then the won that dominated the discussion.  Part of me likes the confidence, but at the very best Zander is a discredited townie at this point, so I'm pretty sure even scum would be fine with being dismissive with him at this point.  I think it's a little unfair to kind of lump his push here with his faulty push earlier especially when I feel he's trying to be more careful in his questioning this time and is trying to avoid confbias. However Spades finally did address it later, for whatever that is worth.

 

The second post is just a less demonstrative version of that post where she basically pushes all the issues of the fight back on him.  It's just more of the same really, so I won't bother quoting it, plus it's hard to quote.

 

The 3rd isn't really a post it's a number of posts, specifically regarding her Darthe read.  She said that he wasn't providing a new point of view and hadn't said anything that stuck out to her, which feels like a bit of an undercut. Couple that with the fact that the majority of her reads and explanations of her stances rely on the constant mentioning of her experience, both overall and from a meta perspective, and as a result is reluctant to take a hard stance on a number of people, so I don't want to say double standard because it seems rude, and it may not be intentional on her part anyway, it was just something I thought I should mention.

 

HOWEVER

 

Imma about to say some nice things about her because I spent a lot of time on 3 posts.  Maybe I'm the naive one now, but I have a hard time seeing a newplayer scum!Spades would be top poster making a lot of content, and making her fair share of contribution to the game if she is scum.  Being in a Hydra, and in a Mafia may mitigate that, but there's still a lot of what feels like unsupervised posting on her part. And the majority of it has been fine, I like in her reads that she's specifically mentioning games to try and establish a meta for players, and is leaving breadcrumbs for people if they want to check up on her statements.  Granted a lot of her participation is because she's friends with a lot of people in the thread, but I do think she's provided a ton of actual analyzable content.  It's just that I had a few pings from the slot so I can't put them green or in my delicious Nullread Stew.

 

 

 

I guess I want to clarify because I meant to put analysis here about the interactions, so it was less about the pings and more about what I think flips will mean. I'd like to hear thoughts on where I'm at.

 

My gut is that a wolf flip from Darthe would clear SpadesBop and vice versa...I'm shaky on this assumption, but again, this is my gut talking, so I can't really express my feels yet.

 

Obviously a Zander flip would clear them and vice versa.  I think this is really the only flip based info we have in the thread at this point, which is why I kind of spent so much time on it.

 

On the miniscule chance that Sooh could be scum, I don't think a Sooh flip would clear Spadesbop, that interaction could be very well staged.

 

I'm not pushing for a lynch on any of these parties today because 1st I'm not really sure if there's an order of priority yet for any of them, and while there's been a lot of content from all 4 slots, there hasn't been enough for me to confidently say oh yeah I want to lynch X over Y.

 

talk about how darthe flip would clear me and vice versa.

 

i dont follow why you come to that conclusion

 

 

ugh have to type this again...forum ate my post.

 

It clears spades IMO, you just get lucky enough to be drug along with it.

 

My opinion is that her read or push on Darthe is not one She would be taking in a scenario where they're both wolf.  She's attacking him about something where I feel she's a little weak herself.  Additionally I think if it is distancing, it's dangerous for the team as spew, because it's too obvious and a bit generic.  Furthermore the undercutting isn't a really optimal thing to put on a teammate, it's hard to defend against, so imo, it's a sub-optimal move to make if you're W/W..

[Fredwood]

 

 

 

Ok I'll go into the bad and try to stop myself from getting too wally.

 

I'll state the obvious... Scruff bad, but I did lol at him trying to throw Shade at MrsC for pressuring him.  Either just him not paying attention or trying a derpclear, dunno, it's NAI I think but it made me laugh.

 

The rest: Cuth, Coward, Ironeyes, Darthe, are all a big bowl of soup that's swirling around. I won't say null because I have a few thoughts and order of preference there but nothing major.

 

Ok so, Bop v Zander.  This has been a rollercoaster with a merry go-round.

 

Bop has at confessed to loving to mess with Penny elsewhere, so I did initially read his wolf peek jab as a joke.  Maybe it was a bit of a RT I think it was innocuous enough, that it shouldn't have gotten to the point it did.  I think a lot of Zander's post early in the exchange was manipulative, particularly in the framing of his questions, and his insistence on the answering of said questions even though they would have had very little bearing on his read one way or the other and trying to pass it off like all he was doing was asking simple questions that weren't being answered.  At time I viewed this as V/V Zander W/ Spadesbop V.  I do empathize with Zander here, because I think I've fallen into that trap a little recently where I kind of bulldog on one thing, I'm usually good about, (at least I hope I am) about letting it go before it gets to the point it did.

 

My problem comes up later, and I first noticed it on Bop's read list, which Zander pointed out was easy. Additionally it's been discussed already so I really don't have a ton to weigh in on that, but it did get me paying more attention to Spadesbop's posts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Youve only played 3 games you said, have you read any others?

 

Who have you played with before that are currently in this game and what alignments have you seen these people play?

 

• Cordyx-  You feel confident that you know Cory's Town game?  You dont think he could do the Bolded as Scum!Cory?  So Im guessing your read on them is Null to slightly Town?
• Describe what you think Eld's Town and Scum games look like for me please?  I wanna see where youre trying to draw your baseline from.
• I tunnel as both alignments so thats Null.  Cory asked me to give you some space so I will for now.  Ill leave my issues to the side for now and just move forward and will see if I need to go back and pursue or drop that particular issue.  

Gonna wait till you answer my top questions first I suppose before i go into too many reads list questions my dear.

 

I haven't spectated or read any games I wasn't in (I did answer this question earlier)

 

I've played with Bop and Cory in a Hydra game (Cory subbed out of that game after D1) Both of them were V. Last game I played had Eldrick and Darthe in it. Eldrick was V, Darthe was W.

 

I do not feel confident about Cory, but I have a decent idea just from what I've seen/heard about his play. Bop is also experience with him so I have a second perspective point. With him asking you to back off and generally keeping things light, it feels very similar to his Hydra game. It will take some time, though. I also added that he's a very experience player, and he told me himself he didn't mind playing wolf and had no problems with faking villager in that role.

 

I've only seen Eldrick as town, and with that he was just so all over the place. He made points that didn't seem logical (some did but most had me scratching my head all game). I have no idea what his wolf game would look like, but right now I'm getting very lack luster content from him. It could be that it's early and nobody has pinged him yet, but as of right now I am weary that he's not standing out more.

 

I have never played with you, and as much as I would like to trust your word/others, I have to follow your actions. Everyone else is town reading you, but I can't just lock you clear because you're following your meta. Understand I am skeptical of literally everyone but Linz. 

 

 

I dunno man some of your reads dont make much sense then with your responses here.  Like theyre based on having a fair bot of exp/Meta and a decent baseline to formulate these from.  Like there assumptive but without the stuff I mentioned it dont seem to add as on organic read to me.  Im also pretty high so maybe its just me?!?!?!!?

 

lololololol

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nothing I say is ever good enough for you, I can't be anything but myself. 

 

Do what you gotta do~

 

 

 

 

There was 3 posts the Spades half of the hydra gave me a little concern.  First Zander is pushing on a separate issue other then the won that dominated the discussion.  Part of me likes the confidence, but at the very best Zander is a discredited townie at this point, so I'm pretty sure even scum would be fine with being dismissive with him at this point.  I think it's a little unfair to kind of lump his push here with his faulty push earlier especially when I feel he's trying to be more careful in his questioning this time and is trying to avoid confbias. However Spades finally did address it later, for whatever that is worth.

 

The second post is just a less demonstrative version of that post where she basically pushes all the issues of the fight back on him.  It's just more of the same really, so I won't bother quoting it, plus it's hard to quote.

 

The 3rd isn't really a post it's a number of posts, specifically regarding her Darthe read.  She said that he wasn't providing a new point of view and hadn't said anything that stuck out to her, which feels like a bit of an undercut. Couple that with the fact that the majority of her reads and explanations of her stances rely on the constant mentioning of her experience, both overall and from a meta perspective, and as a result is reluctant to take a hard stance on a number of people, so I don't want to say double standard because it seems rude, and it may not be intentional on her part anyway, it was just something I thought I should mention.

 

HOWEVER

 

Imma about to say some nice things about her because I spent a lot of time on 3 posts.  Maybe I'm the naive one now, but I have a hard time seeing a newplayer scum!Spades would be top poster making a lot of content, and making her fair share of contribution to the game if she is scum.  Being in a Hydra, and in a Mafia may mitigate that, but there's still a lot of what feels like unsupervised posting on her part. And the majority of it has been fine, I like in her reads that she's specifically mentioning games to try and establish a meta for players, and is leaving breadcrumbs for people if they want to check up on her statements.  Granted a lot of her participation is because she's friends with a lot of people in the thread, but I do think she's provided a ton of actual analyzable content.  It's just that I had a few pings from the slot so I can't put them green or in my delicious Nullread Stew.

 

 

 

I guess I want to clarify because I meant to put analysis here about the interactions, so it was less about the pings and more about what I think flips will mean. I'd like to hear thoughts on where I'm at.

 

My gut is that a wolf flip from Darthe would clear SpadesBop and vice versa...I'm shaky on this assumption, but again, this is my gut talking, so I can't really express my feels yet.

 

Obviously a Zander flip would clear them and vice versa.  I think this is really the only flip based info we have in the thread at this point, which is why I kind of spent so much time on it.

 

On the miniscule chance that Sooh could be scum, I don't think a Sooh flip would clear Spadesbop, that interaction could be very well staged.

 

I'm not pushing for a lynch on any of these parties today because 1st I'm not really sure if there's an order of priority yet for any of them, and while there's been a lot of content from all 4 slots, there hasn't been enough for me to confidently say oh yeah I want to lynch X over Y.

 

talk about how darthe flip would clear me and vice versa.

 

i dont follow why you come to that conclusion

 

ugh have to type this again...forum ate my post.

 

It clears spades IMO, you just get lucky enough to be drug along with it.

 

My opinion is that her read or push on Darthe is not one She would be taking in a scenario where they're both wolf.  She's attacking him about something where I feel she's a little weak herself.  Additionally I think if it is distancing, it's dangerous for the team as spew, because it's too obvious and a bit generic.  Furthermore the undercutting isn't a really optimal thing to put on a teammate, it's hard to defend against, so imo, it's a sub-optimal move to make if you're W/W..

[Fleeing Coward]

 

So matching numbers with names, the scum team is therefore exactly Sooh, Linz and Derf as upon further inspection, no. 11 is lock town.

How much can you really trust Hallia though?

 

Not sure how much I trust Hallia but I have complete faith in RNGesus. Except for the part where it called me a wolf.