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FanoLan

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  1. Agree with this conclusion. Not sure about the reasoning, but there is no way Siuan would subject Gareth to the impact of severing. We know that the bond is snapped when the bond holder is severed/gentled/stilled and know further that the specific reaction in the Warder differs. Siuan would not risk Gareth keeling over from the shock, or losing his mind and going into a death rage. Elaborate safeguards would need to be implemented to minimize the lesser uninted consequence and the risk of the greater could never be completly eliminated. No way Siuan agrees to this based on that reason alone. Leann has not yet bonded a new Warder, at least not that we've seen. She would probably consider it and probably even go through with it in order to more effectively serve the Light in TG.
  2. Mat to quit whining. And to give us a break from his clothes/accessories fetish. Enough about his lace and breeches and coats and boots already; Men's Fashion in the Third Age, by Mat Cauthon - this year's blockbuster release coming via your annual peddler.
  3. Too bad for the lack of mental capacity required to avoid digesting a box full of Advil merely for reading a work of fiction. Cannot imagine how much of a challenge the real world must be to deal with for you. Condolences. Fortunately for this thread, not everyone is as brilliant as you present yourself. Guess you could have saved a bunch of time for not only the author but also the multitude of fans worldwide by revealing this fact a couple of decades ago. Why hold out so long? For me, I've appreciated every bit of the depth and breadth of the series. Currently on my twenty-something re-read and on the last few chapters of tFoH; will definitely finish by aMoL. Started the series for the first time in '94 or '95 and can hardly believe the end is nigh. Unlike the above poster, it amazes me how many apparently irrelevant pieces of information come back into play later in the books. Even on this read, I'm catching foreshadowings that I'd missed in prior reads. Great stuff from RJ and nearly incomprehensibe talent. After an aMol re-read, I'll probably not revisit for a while, but imagine at some point the stroll down memory lane will prove irresistable. Hope everyone derives as much pleasure from the ending of this masterpiece as I will.
  4. Opinions exchanged heatedly and potentially even fists virtually shaken in anger - DM might need an 18+ filter for offensive language before entering; I have to chuckle at the BrS defenders championing their man, right or wrong. From the information available here regarding the writing/editing/publishing process for team WoT, the amount of in-world errors astounds me. But that's OK, not ideal granted, and I think it could/should have been done better but errors happen - particularly in time sensitive circumstances. So, while occasionally jarring during the first read, such mistakes in the BrS books basically earned a shrug and a quick release from me. Re-reads get a bit more grating, but re-prints should address the most glaring issues; again team WoT gets the benefit of the doubt from me on these issues. Since BrS accepted a difficult challenge, my expectations were low but I had never read the man's work so I completely left the door open to enjoy the conclusion of WoT and hopefully discover (for me) the next author I could go to for my sci-fantasy fix in a post-RJ world. I thoroughly expected some discordance and different "voice" from BrS. I did not read any of his other work before reading tGS, ToM, parts of aMoL and have not read any of his other material. From the work I have seen in the conclusion to WoT, none of his other work interests me. And it's entirely due to the lazy writing, not the WoT-specific mistakes. As an example, if I had to read one more "Anyway" while trying to enjoy Perrin's scenes my entire neighborhood would have heard my teeth grinding in frustration. I mean how challenging can it be, before you hand off any material to Harriet, or whomever, to professionalize your effort. Just go back through and embellish 1/2 of the "Anyway" transitions with contextual self-reflection, or a reasonable response from the now-speaking character. I think it was when getting the reports from the AS scouting mission once gateways functioned for Perrin's party that the repetitive and ill-fitting "Anyway" finally pushed me to put down the book and walk away for a bit. Toss in a "Yes, well" or "Perhaps you have a point, but from my perspective ..." - anything at all beside "Anyway." Just completely amateurish, lazy and in essence a hearty "screw you and eat your spinach and like it 'cause you've got no other choice" from BrS to multi-decade WoT fans. The props for BrS' WoT work seem to be mostly focused on pacing and plot resolution. Both of those aspects are products of the body work he was handed in my opinion. Just as each book posseses a unique rhythm, generally climaxing near the end, so to for the series. Without the vast tapestry RJ painstakingly created, no momentum for the crescendo would exist .... granted not every Joe Schmoe off the street could have finished the series, but for a professional sci-fantasy author, well ..... All in all, nothing I've seen from BrS' WoT work has inspired me to purchase any of his other writings, in fact the opposite is true.
  5. Just read that part on my re-read. Yeah, pretty cool. When Moir and Lan come upon Rand after he creates the shadowspawn seeking lightning, Rand is obviously on the proverbial precipice. Lan is willing to protect Moir from Rand, and knows it will do no good. Both are scared not only for their lives, but also the fate of the world. Rand has been close to the edge a few times since, but this is the first Moir and Lan have seen him teeter. I like that this is about when Moir really starts to lose control of events. The pattern has outpaced her before, but she has always had a plan and been confident she can overcome any obstacle. But how do you prevent the DR from going mad and killing everyone around him, and dooming the world with him? Also, Rand has been ingoring/fighting Moir, and he is holding Callandor. To them, it must be worse than disaster. Nothing they do or don’t do at this point can make a difference. Rand has to pull himself back. I’ve always respected Lan for sticking with Rand and tutoring him, even in the face of Moiraine’s ire and Rand’s madness and unpredictability. He must really sympathize with being forced into a fate not of your choosing (Remember, he had oaths sworn for him in the cradle, and has the fate of revenging or resurrecting Malkier over his head.). He has fought that fate most of his life. So, he understands Rand, I think, better than just about anyone else close to him. Great post. With what we learn from Cads about the flaw in Callandor, Rand was not only at the precipice, but potentially teetering over the edge if Moir and Lan hadn't arrived in time to influence events. Makes me wonder how much the darkside knows about Callandor. If they know, or surmise, that the flaw magnifies the taint then pushing Rand to use it as often and early as possible would certainly aid the DO's long game. Good thing the Tairens required something to seal their general allegiance when Rand departed for Rhuidean or who knows how bad it would have been before Cads' arrival and subsequent warning. Have to disagree on your conclusion that Lan has fought his fate most of his life. He spent his youth in training to be a living weapon and his early adulthood basically campaigning in the Blight until Moiraine (other than skirmishing with the Aiel in the Eastern Marches, Laman's Price and assorted court visits in the South). Lan has devoted himself to fulfilment of his duty despite believing it will ultimately lead to his death in the Blight and despite having had no choice in the swearing of the oath. To me, the relationship with Rand grew because Lan witnessed firsthand how Rand essentially became aware of his own un-chosen duty and rather than shirking, devoted himself to the cause. The two face a parallel fate of death in the Blight and still both chose to embrace the duty. Lan undertands the circumstance and respects the way Rand has responded.
  6. With full understanding the bolded is probably a typo, the image of a social-butterfly 18th century muslim, dressed in full regalia, patrolling the Two Rivers' countryside enforcing local etiquette protocol made me laugh and laugh.
  7. As FanoLan noted, we see Demandred checking out the Royal Palace in tar a few chapters after Zaida and her retinue arrive in Caemlyn. I never said that Amel 'kept tabs on Rand by virtue of the Bargain'. That's kind of a nice strawman argument to tear down easily. I never said anything about Demandred keeping tabs. Doesn't mean that Demandred can't from where he's operating. *shrugs* You didn't say so, FanoLan did; I simply found it prudent to comment on every argument made in support of your case instead of leaving holes in mine. I'm sorry if that gave you the impression I was putting words in your mouth. Hey, did someone mention my name around these parts? Please let me clear up my perspective on this tidbit of additional supporting evidence. After how ever many years and how ever deep a sleep, Demandred gets released from his prison and right off the start gets a few assignments from the DO/Ishy. One of these assignments: infiltrate/corrupt the upper ranks of the Sea Folk. DO: "Here's what Ishy and the DFs can tell you about them and here's a copy of their primary prophecy, do what you can." Also, he's tasked to keep track of al'Thor. Dem, the resourceful gadabout, improvises his plan from there while maintaining his own action on the side and angling for NB/the opportunity to kill LTT. Knowing the prophecy of the Coramoor, Dem then devised the Sea Folk terms of the Bargain and also ensured that both negotiating parties had at least one DF among them who would then be part of the retinue accompanying al'Thor. Slap a finder on said DFs, maybe give them each a ter', and there you have your keeping tabs task accomplished within the framework of a larger assignment. Whether or not Dem has been masquerading as Amel, this thread has convinced me he is either manipulating or has infiltrated the SF at a high enough rank to cause havoc.
  8. Definitely seemed as if she were worried about harming the babies. But I kind of view that issue as similar in kind to the bonding comparison. The swearing would cause the OP to affect Elayne, and therefore potentially her babies. If the bonding were going to affect the babies, as separate souls, Elayne would have to do something similar to the trifecta bonding of Rand - I conjecture at least.
  9. This. If she can embrace the Power, she has no problems. It's the if of it for now, until labor, when no channeling. Probably a good thing for the prospective father if he's there for the birth. I think if someone bonded Elayne, her babies would be bonded (or dead), but not due to Elayne bonding someone else.
  10. Yup!I think Zaida is a Darkfriend (there's much pointing in that direction) Also, we have Moad -Harine's Swordmaster, with a lot of influence in her direction- that's part of Harine's Ambassador embacy. I think it's Moad that we saw back in TGH (the DF social) and that Ba'alzy commanded him to help Demandred understand Sea Folk society eventually. The clues with the tatooed hand & the horse riding in WH aren't put there for nothing, I think. Through Moad & by controlling Zaida first.. and later having Zaida become the Mistress of the Ships, Demandred has kept an eye on Rand and 'secured his rule'. Oh, that's a sweet connection, FanoLan! The one where he spies on Elayne, right? +1 Yes, that's the one. Also, the Sea Folk get a square mile at Cairhien and any other city under Rand's rule that's on water, IIRC. Have we seen/heard about pressure from the Sea Folk to secure that land at other cities? Would be a huge benefit for the Dark to have prepared, defended and secure entry points - via water, or Gateway.
  11. I would have loved this if Brandon hadn't needed to compromise Cadsuane so completely to achieve it. Definitely a lot of dramatic potential in that scene. Dark Rand approaching his nadir, Cadsuane with her patience and conviction put to the test as never before. Is it just me or does it bother anyone else when Rand threatens Cads with his ta'veren nature, asserting he can force the Pattern to his will and cause her death. That seems pretty far off the track to me, kind of twisting his ta'veren-ness to his own purpose as opposed to letting the Wheel spin out events in the manner that would best serve the Wheel. It's probably moot for Rand Therin, but there seem to be echoes of that behavior in Mat lately too. Forcing his ta'veren-ness (luck) to serve what he wants in the moment.
  12. I'm with you. At first I wanted to give them a fond pat on the head and a bit of encouragement. They have since proven more useful than first thought, but they amuse me as well. They've never bothered me much and in some ways, there's a lot to be admired in their efforts to grow. Perrin may think them fools for the effort, but to me their eagerness to abandon the screwed up way of going about things in "great game" infested Cairhien (and really the rest of the WoT Monarchies) is admirable. Sure, it's an awkward beginning, but at least they are willing to learn and adapt.
  13. Very well presented and interesting theory and one I have not seen beforehand. Another clue that has been discussed on the boards occured to me. In WH, during the Forsaken gathering, Aran'gar says that Osan'gar and Demandred were responsible for watching Al'Thor. Considering the Bargain between Al'Thor and the Atha'an Miere included the accompaniment of a Sea Folk ambassador along with her retinue, and considering further the presence of a potential DF (the respective Swordmasters) included in each of the embassies to the two cities Al'Thor was most frequently residing in at the time. Hmmmmmm.....not a bad way to be keeping an eye on Al'Thor. Another thought - it appears this would align with Dem's presence in the throne room of Caemlyn in T'a'R (LoC Ch. 7), time-wise for Amel's arrival in the city.
  14. New Spring - if I'm remembering correctly, she was referenced in that one and her association there there made me question her true allegiance.
  15. only we know that she wasn't because she reswore the oaths. Thanks, I had forgotten she was in the WT for the reswearing.
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