As I said in my former post, it is always a matter of perspective and opinion. You asked for reflections and I gave you mine. Your opinion is just as surprising to me as mine is to you. Though both adults with many years behind us we are different people with different stories and thereby different interpretations and insight. Unless Robert Jordan said anything specific about the Aes Sedai over the years (I don't know myself), we can only speculate whether the sacrifice and isolation of that very special group of women was something he admired or scorned. How effective they have been in de facto 'ruling' and keeping the peace can of course be debated.  I think any organization in life will at some point experience power struggles and intrigues because people are people. How they deal with that will always depend on circumstances. The White Tower was perhaps an extreme example but all the more fascinating imo.

If a group of people make the ultimate sacrifice, we can cut them some slack as they say. The Aes Sedai were far from perfect, Robert Jordan never intended them to be, but their main cause (to fight for the Light despite often being unappreciated by the populace of 'Randland') is to be admired imo.

When I joined DM first time back in 1999 when this site was all new, we had masses of activity and members discussing the books and issues like you mention here. It is great that a series of fantasy books can give so much food for thought and I hope more members here today (though activity is at a totally different level atm, though that could change when the tv show comes) will share their personal reflections and views. I don't have anything more to add to this matter but thanks for the interesting discussion. Keep enjoying Robert Jordan's wonderful books and best of luck!

On 1/19/2020 at 5:07 AM, Talenmor al'Rahl said:

How has the series changed for you over the years?  What didn't make sense that now does?

 

To me the Aes Sedai look weirder than ever at this age.  They look unhealthy.  They abandon normal connections to the world and hide away to scheme with each other. I guess I didn't understand how much they'd left behind before I was a parent and had a wife sharing her view with me so much.  Their sacrifice seems to lessen them rather than enable them.  I would have never thought that at 20 though.  I guess they feel like some weird stereotype 80s movie career woman...a bit lacking in depth.  Wow, probably not a popular opinion.  I just wish they maintained connections to their families....sisters, brothers, fathers, mothers...so weird that they just become so apart from their past.

 

I can see your point with the Aes Sedai, but for me it is the exact opposite. I am glad Robert Jordan 'created' them as they are. That they do abandon connections to normal life, family etc makes them more unique and mythical  in a way which I appreciate(d), more 'special' and interesting, and makes their great sacrifice (can there be greater sacrifice than to abandon your family and relatives?) in service to the Light that much stronger and more powerful. Had they been depicted as 'normal' women with family-associations etc just with the added One Power and the White Tower the effect would have been poorer for me. I was also from the beginning fascinated by the political intrigue and 'in-fighting' of the Aes Sedai and enjoyed that part throughout the series. Personally I disagree with the Aes Sedai lacking in depth also. If there is any group I think Robert Jordan described in depth and gave (individual) character, it was the Aes Sedai. So many women, all different in many ways from different countries and different destinies, but also all the same. Fascinating I think!

Reading your reflections I think your opinion is coloured by your family situation and that it seems inconceivable to you to not have some connection to family whatever one's position and journey in life, less 'human' in other words. And in real life I think most people would agree with you. Family is most important in life for many people. Some will agree with this also for the Aes Sedai, but for me atleast Robert Jordan made the right decision, emphasizing their 'specialness' and the huge sacrifice they make on behalf of mankind. I felt it so when I first read the first books back in the early 1990s and I still do now almost 30 years later.

For me the series has not changed much over the years. I have read and re-read the books many times and on the whole I feel the same about the series as I did in my younger days (fascinated, excited, thrilled and impressed by the scope and depth of Rober Jordan's fantastic story). Some things here and there I may look at differently today, but most things, the important bits, have stayed the same for me. I know others, however, whose views have changed as they have grown older, making them appreciate parts more and also some less, and this will always be individual and personal.  

The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again. In one Age, what some might refer to as the ‘Old Age’, before the Internet, social networks, mobile phones and modern computers we had.. books.

And so it was that in early autumn 1991, I believe, I came across this great-looking big  fantasy novel in the fantasy-section of a major bookstore in Oslo, Norway. Having become a fantasy book-fan some years earlier, having read and been totally mesmerized by JRR Tolkien’s The Lord of The Rings, and having enjoyed Terry Brooks’ The Sword of Shannara (nearly a copycat of The Lord of the Rings but since I loved the original that was certainly fine by me) as well as Stephen Donaldson’s The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, I was more than ready for a new exciting fantasy epic.

The book cover caught my eye and picking up The Eye of the World that day, finding what stood on the back cover also interesting and encouraged by The Great Hunt which stood beside it on the shelf, leading me to believe that there would at least be a trilogy (the more the better I felt, I was eager to immerse myself in a new fantasy world), little did I know that this would put me on a journey of almost 30 years of The Wheel of Time. In reading - and loving -  the complete epic saga (which came to be my 2^nd favourite fantasy book saga of all time after The Lord of the Rings) chapter by chapter, book by book, and almost 20 years of fantasy-roleplaying in Robert Jordan’s wonderful world, here at DM (beginning in 1999 for a couple years, then back from 2010 until now) and at other Wheel of Time roleplay-places on the internet.

Thank you, Robert Jordan for introducing me to your fantastic universe of The Wheel of Time, and many congrats - also to Harriet and the whole 'The Wheel of Time family' - on this 30^th Anniversary of the first publication of The Eye of the World.

Tbh I never knew any place listed any movie as having a single star lead, thought it was always a question of interpretation and impression. Since I am the only person playing this game (bar 1 of 9 questions), I think others can take it the rest of the way.

Happy New Year!

Okies, here is another question:

Does the movie have a single star lead?

20 minutes ago, SinisterDeath said:

With the Metascore question, IMDB doesn't list it's metascore. (Not all movies list it on IMDB)

So I can't answer if it has a score above or below said value based on whats' shown on IMDB. 

With the box office question. IMDB didn't list how much it earned at it's box office. It might list it with IMDB Pro, which costs $$.

Surprisingly there are a number of films that don't list metascore, or a box office.

 

Take this film as an example.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8611700/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_2

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0209095/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_3

None of those list box office or Metascores. I can't reliably answer "no" or "yes" to either of them.

And yes, (won't count against you) you should be able to uncover it on IMBD using the tools.

I also gave you a pretty big hint on the very first post.

Thanks for elaborating a little. Among the multitude of films there will always be exceptions like those you found. Perhaps elsewhere there may be info how much a movie earned at the box office. N/A answers are unfortunate but you did give a hint yes as to the final option (when we get that far). I do hope though that we have seen the last of the N/A answers ? 

Like you I try to figure out the movie in question by the answers given to questions here, using IMDB/other movie-lists for help, and then when narrowing down options further in the end with the help of 'tools' like you used. Time will tell if it pays dividends.. ? 

Could you please elaborate a little on these N/A answers (obviously without revealing anything about the selected movie), you have 2 of them so far out of 8 questions. It seems obscure and surprising seeing as we are used to yes/no answers in this game. Is this a movie it is realistic we may be able to uncover by use of IMDB and similar internet-'tools'?

Is the movie’s Gross (USA) Box Office $40 Million or less?

Is the movie Rated G, PG, or PG13 in America?

Per IMDB, does it have a Meta score of 50 or less?

Does it have an IMDB User Rating of 7.0 or higher? 

Did the movie release after January 1st, 1990?

Is its genre Comedy, Thriller or Horror?

Is its genre Action, Drama or Science Fiction?

12 hours ago, SinisterDeath said:

Is it Good Will  Hunting?

Yes! Yes it is Good Will Hunting, last second save, glad you made it, well done!

Merry Christmas, everyone!

Okies guys, we have arrived at question 20. This is your last chance to make a correct guess so consider well.

20 minutes ago, SinisterDeath said:

Per IMDB, does it have a Meta score of 90 or more?

No.

2 hours ago, Basel Gill said:

Did any of the cast win an Oscar for their performance in this movie? 

Yes.

2 hours ago, SinisterDeath said:

Does the movie title have the vowel "A" in it?

No.

45 minutes ago, SinisterDeath said:

After reviewing the previous questions, I noticed that the movie was either made in the 70s, or the 90s. The 80s question never ruled out the 90s. So...

 

Did the movie Release after January 1st, 1990?
 

Yes.

40 minutes ago, SinisterDeath said:

Sorry, Holidays are upon us.

I understand which was why I considered closing the game. The holidays are upon me as well even so I have been checking the thread regularly past week for replies.

Glad you replied, I will therefore keep it going a little while longer.

It's now 10 days since anyone responded in this game. Perhaps it has run its course. I will give it 24 more hours, if no one has taken part with another suggestion by then, I will close the game and reveal the selected movie.

On 12/12/2019 at 2:25 AM, SinisterDeath said:

Does it have a User Rating of 8.3 or higher?

Yes.

On 12/12/2019 at 2:24 AM, SinisterDeath said:

Does IMDB list its Genre as "War"?

No.

1 hour ago, Basel Gill said:

Is it Close Encounters of the Third Kind?

No.