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A WHEEL OF TIME COMMUNITY

Vermillion

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  1. Free will is not unlimited choice. Free will is your ability to choose actions on your own without direct control over your choices. By the nature of free will others free will with conflict with yours. Meaning if someone decides to kill you or accidentily runs you down your free will will come into conflict with their choices. Things predetermined does not conflict with free will. The Wheel of Time universe does not have complete free will and never claimed to have it. From book one ta'veren and the Wheel were introduced as factors that change and alter the free will of those to fix problems in the wheel.
  2. Because the DO is outside of the pattern but part of the whole. He's the darkness in between the threads and all that. Like Rand said the DO isn't the enemy. It's a force of nature kind of. Punching the bore allows the DO to corrupt the pattern but he does so because its his nature. I can't think of any good analogies but think of it the DO as battery acid. Battery acid allows the battery to have juice and can coexist. You punch a hole in the battery and it's going to be leaking and become corrosive because that's just what it does. The Dark one does influence the pattern it's just when his containment is broken he corrupts the pattern. That's similiar to how I interpreted it. Would you then sa the DO is a tool to keep the Wheel running properly? The dark one is part of the pattern from what I can tell. Thus if you strip the dark one from the pattern you lose part of what makes the threads. So in a world without the DO the thread, the life and the existence are lacking like those who are turned evil have something removed from them.
  3. One thing I don't get is why was one of the Forsaken's body unguarded and allow Rand to leave in his body just like that?
  4. Because the DO is outside of the pattern but part of the whole. He's the darkness in between the threads and all that. Like Rand said the DO isn't the enemy. It's a force of nature kind of. Punching the bore allows the DO to corrupt the pattern but he does so because its his nature. I can't think of any good analogies but think of it the DO as battery acid. Battery acid allows the battery to have juice and can coexist. You punch a hole in the battery and it's going to be leaking and become corrosive because that's just what it does. The Dark one does influence the pattern it's just when his containment is broken he corrupts the pattern.
  5. The big question for me is why not tie off gates? Why not do a full circle and let Androl just gate away the trollocs? Why didn't Androl or other channellers just open gates on people?
  6. I liked it though I thought the Demandred duels were fan services, Rand suspecting the Murandy king being, Matt not being Hero though it seems more fitting with his personality that he would be. I used the audio book which does tend to spruce up the story once you get into the book.I was surprised that the Dark One was lying to Moridin about the nothingness. But the rest of the ending didn't surprise me. Using the TP to avoid the taint and Rand switching bodies. The question I have was that Rand can't channel but he lit the pipe. Does that mean that he has the power of creation?
  7. Two things we know. 1. It's impossible for the DO to win because time in the wheel of time is like a the surface of a ring... there is no beginning or end it's just a loop that exist all at the same time. Meaning all time happening is the past/future/now. Being that every coming second in Randland is the past they've already happened before and the DO has already lost infinite times in infinite turnings an infinite time. But... 2. The DO creates paradoxes and is attempting to break the wheel and the infinite loop of time. It kind of makes sense when you think about it that for the DO to escape he would need to stop the infinite times he loses. I mean, how do you escape a prison where it's created that you lose an infinite times? By destroying time itself.
  8. Modern AS are pretty weak. Even Elayne, Egwene are only upper middle tier. And they're the second strongest rank the AS have outside of Nynaeve.
  9. Not all Dragon prophecies are in the Karaethon cycle. Aiel, Seafolk have there own.
  10. I found it to be a lot easier to listen some of the later book than to read. Things that bothered me were the slow pace + RJ's typical over descriptions of pointless stuff, internal monologues that last paragraphs that seemed to go on about minor stuff, thinking about how someone else thought about something, etc. I found myself skipping paragraphs. But listening is much easier just have to make sure i don't get to relaxed and fall asleep.
  11. Both seem to be creations of the age before the age of legends. But it would seems like they would be something that are consistant every turning. Seems like the Horn would be used for every Age of Prophecy considering how Hawkwing talks to Rand. Do you think the Horn or something similar is created every turning or it's just forgetten and found again? Portal Stones we know even less about. Who made them and how old are they? Are they constant major event in each turning?
  12. That's not actually true......While time is cyclic and repeats itself, it may not do so in the same way every time......It may not be a bore in the pattern every time.....Or the same types of seals.......The previous turning might not have even had heartstone to make the same types of seals. And that is my point......There has never been any proof, be it in the books themselves, or by acknowledgment by RJ, the COL being born twice always happens. A great example of this would be the fact that RJ has said that the Horn of Valere did not exist in the Last Battle of the previous turning of the wheel. RJ has said the pattern and lace of time look the same from a distance but different close up. I think that implies there are major themes that play out every time but names, places and how it happens is different.
  13. Of course, we know that because there is no dragon soul in RL. But I'm talking the book "real world" where we're in one of the seven ages. We really don't know what Jesus did because we have a very limited angle on his life. Almost all of his life is chronicled by his followers and sparsley any historical recordings. He could have been doing a forgotten or one time talent that worked with the creator like Wolfbrother. RJ has hinted that the Dragon Soul does play important roles that aren't dragon related in some ages. Would Jesus been Ta'veren? What about someone like Gengis Khan? HoH and Ta'veren?
  14. I am certain that AoL always has the Bore, War of Power, CoL. Next age CoL defeating the DO properly or temp again.
  15. What has bothered me most about joining the shadow is that there seems to be little benefit for most people for doing so. I kind of understand that the current situation is that DF are having to pay the pipper so to speak because the DO being active again.
  16. The former. If Jesus or other mythological/relgiious figures could be the dragon's soul reborn in context with RJ saying that our "Age" is one of the turnings. I used Jesus because he defines our current age/subage BC/AD for most of the world. According to the 13th dep. Lews/Rand is more in line with Lucifer. The Lord of the morning is a name attributed to Lucifer. The first among servants The light bringer etc. RJ took many elements from popular religions and from history to craft his world. It was just a vehicle to further his story. At the end of his life he turned to the Communion. (Christianity, Catholicism) It was one of the last things he did. Should show us where his mind was at. Again not really what I'm getting at. Robert Jordan has said that our current, real life time is part of the Wheel of Time just the past/future. The question I had, with that our world is Randland, was do you think Rand/Dragon Soul could be Jesus or any other mythological figure. Not about his parallels of their lives. If the Dragon Soul could literally be Jesus or other legends. I could certainly see the Angels and Demons thing coming from War of Power in the Age of Legend from the previous turning of the wheel.
  17. The time thing does make things difficult to explain. But the DO does operate inside time. The question I've always had if there is no beginning nor end how does the DO escape since he admited himself he operates inside time. He's already failed in his infinite attempts. The only answer I had was that he creates a paradox or breaks a paradox by breaking the wheel thus killing time. Isn't he know as serpent killer or something like that?
  18. The former. If Jesus or other mythological/relgiious figures could be the dragon's soul reborn in context with RJ saying that our "Age" is one of the turnings. I used Jesus because he defines our current age/subage BC/AD for most of the world.
  19. The Bloody Art of War - Mat Cauthon Randy Appleseed - Forgotten Dragonmount Farmer 3rd age. From Bale to Balefire - Rand Al-Thor. Lost and Found - Perrin Aybara about marriage. Sword of Truth - Author unknown - fiction loosely based on the legends of the 3rd age.
  20. Yes, but not all books have our times as future and past with heavy reincarnation angle, especially of heroes/villans type of changers. Would someone like Jesus be a possible hero of the horn, Ta'veren type putting our history into the reality of the books. You could see how a legend of Perrin could be twisted over time into being Thor with is hammer.
  21. I really didn't mean for the topic to be focused on Christ. Just the only example I know of where an age or at least sub age is marked by birth/death/event of religuous/legendary figure in most of the world. Depending on how the last battle goes how do you think Rand will be remember? I doubt accurately, especially if one power dies off inthe next age which seems to have been happening with the Seachan takeover. 3k years later people will likely think Rand's "magic" is an exageration and that he was a mere man by most. I mean, look at how LTT despite being a hero is the face of the crazed male channeler.
  22. Regardless of how you feel about the faith and realness of it to avoid that kind of argument. Do you think the dragon soul one power or not could be someone like Jesus? Would someone like Jesus be a ta'veren? I doubt RJ would have answered a question like that but I wonder what his thinking on the subject is since we're supposed live in an age of the Pattern.
  23. I think it was just a something done because of prophecy. It stored the horn, broken seal and the banner for the dragon. Not to mention helped with the first battle of the Dragon. The cost seems steep but I am sure again prophecy was at play in the decision.
  24. DO = Exsist outside of time except for when in reality if that makes sense. DO = In a prison outside the pattern. AoLers found a power that could be used by both male and female(how did they know and how did they find it?) They drilled into this prison and created a hole in the pattern as well. The hole is strongest felt in SG. Either getting out of his prison brings him into the pattern. Or there is a funnel effect where the bore was drilled through the pattern bridging us to his prison. Or his prison is part of the pattern. The DO's role is destruction and death and chaos. His goal is to get free to destroy. And as we see he carries out these goals with as much chaos and destruction as possible. The creator is the opposite of the DO. While the DO lies and manipulates and takes as much liberty to interact with and destroy the pattern as possible... the creator does... not much(outside the voice in EoTW and Rand's brain... maybe). His role was to create and automate apparently and been very successful considering he's won in the infinite past and future and infinite variations of those infinite ages. The question I've had since I've understood the there is no beginning nor end how can the DO win? If infinity to the past and future which is impossibly looped has already played out how does DO win? Doesn't this imply that everything that is going to happen to Rand and crew is the past. In the book EoTW Rand healing Saidar was the immediate future of Saidar healing and the furthest past. This means Rand sealing the bore has already happened in the past. If there were say infinite turnings of the ages but it had a beginning I could see where the DO could win. My best explanation is that the DO breaking out creates a time paradox or breaks the pattern thus cutting off the head of the Great Serpent.
  25. There are a number of reasons why people think they are channelers. First, the eyes. Seems a bit similar to the turned Asha'man we see with the dead looking eyes. Second, the very malicious evil-ness they exhibit. From what RJ told us about 13x13, anybody turned that way would have their soul twisted and warped ... irreversably evil. Sounds like the kind of person who would like to walk up to a helpless victim and get their hands bloody. Up close and personal. Especially if they were denied direct participation in a recent battle. Third, there are scenes in the book where an unknown force of male channelers are working for the shadow. The destruction of the walls of the borderlander city. The portal stone bringing in the shadowspawn to attack Perrin. In the case of the portal stone, this is a skill that nobody on the light side has. Yes, Rand can use a portal stone, but uses massive amounts of the power to do it. According to Perrin's Asha'man, the men using the stone aren't using a lot of the power. That skill must have come from one of the Forsaken. It could be dark Asha'man, but it seems doubtful to me that the Shadow would deploy darkfriend Asha'man to a place where regular Asha'man are, at least before the final battle. Fourth, location. This little band of creepy Aiel are roaming the borderlands, very near a city that has just been destroyed. It's probably safe to say that the battle that we did get to see was a model for what happened all along the blight border. Male channelers blowing up the wall. Coincidence that they were nearby? Perhaps ... but I doubt it. There is not reason. We only saw one up close with dark eyes. No channeling or evident. 2. Means nothing. Plenty of cruel people in the series. Even those on the light side of things. Obviously guys helping trollocs might be a bit warped. 3. Could have been Asha'man darkfriends. Clearly, it seems that people are learning to fast are agents and likely masking their powers until end game. Likely a secret channeling group before hand. 4. With traveling people channlers can be anywhere... location means nothing.
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