I’m new around here so I’m unaware of the history, but if the same arguments keep popping up I’d say that sounds like perhaps consensus on how the show failed Jordan‘s Legacy There’s no pleasing everyone. But they chose to make Perrin a black, wife murdering tragedy, Matt a clumsy, depressed killjoy who inflicted fain’s dagger wound at falme with the knife duct taped to a stick like a dollar store asharendai, and portrayed min, aviendha and Elayne as lesbians instead of the future wives of the dragon reborn. This is gonna stir things up lol. It’s like they added politics out of reflex. Jordan’s epic has plenty of diversity and progressive social narratives built in as written. Again, it’s like they never truly read the books. That said, despite lack of resemblance I thought Perrin was one of the stronger actors, he was very believable and did very well. He even lived up to the plot changes in a believable fashion too. But put it this way: a well acted Michael Jackson, if cast as a white actor, is just plain unnecessary and wrong…. And why on earth would you ever change Michael Jackson’s origin story? Thanks for reading sir Overall, I think the series should be watched by any fan, despite its flaws and lack of continuity I think the main disappointment for me is the letdown of what it could’ve been, more than anything else Cheers

Thanks guys I posted a review in the show cancellation thread, seems pretty chill around here… is it not?

I recently re-read the first four then watched the show back to back as honestly I was so excited to see the story finally come to life. I really tried to give it a chance, but blood and bloody ashes, the show is just too different and primarily lacking in immersion. Like you watch game of thrones, you feel like you are in Westeros. You feel the winter. Here? There’s a lack of cohesive vision. I think even displaying the world map could have helped, not to the level that GoT does but perhaps a high level zoom-in to where each episode takes place, something to make it feel like you are actually somewhere rather than nowhere. I couldn’t help but feel both the show runners and several of the actors had not read the source material. There were a few highlights, I think the seanchan was done pretty well, but they forgot the flyers and weird beasts. Probably the best recreation that was done, (and done well) was going back in time to the age of legends when Rand was walking through the pillars. The Aiel waste was accurate. That said, it’s pretty hard to screw up a desert. Mat and the ailfinn/eelfin storyline was not bad, but I felt like the writers focused on mat’s depression too much instead of his cleverness and luck. In the books he is a source of amusement, fun and tragedy, not an emo depression galaxy. Also his “powers” as a warrior were logically inconsistent. like on and off then back on again. I also felt the CGI weaves were not quite right, often too “slow” . There was no “embracing the source” like I feel the character should have at least glowed or something. instead the actors chose to always spread giant peanut butter sandwiches really really slowly, (which would make sense if doing a massive weave with major power). But the source is also channeled “sharp” and quick, the aes sedai in the show always seemed to have a “charging phase” followed by a “big” release which often turned out to be minor nothingburger. Other than the forsaken with some quick channels, and wilders doing emotional last second desperate shields I dunno, the channelling just felt “off” It also seemed like non channellers could see weaves and this was NBD, meanwhile the female aes sedai forgot to express shock and fear of not knowing when the male source was being channeled. Additionally, the men are known for being able to multitask with weaves significantly more, especially Rand. We never got to see that really at all. It was never properly demonstrated what made him so much more powerful, different and special, nor the difference between saidar, Saidin and the true source. They show the saa in Lanfear’s eyes, but no explanation. Now to be fair I do feel each season should have been minimum 12 episodes, but whoever did the screenplay was terrible at cutting out the fluff and condensing the plot here, like the basics were not being covered. Especially with AI nowadays they could have gotten simple chapter summaries of key events Then used the descriptive fluff Jordan writes with as a user manual on how to set up the costumes, scenes and the CGI world. This would have delivered a much more coherent and compelling outcome . I noticed when reading the books the second time through I’d often skip the descriptive stuff to get to the dialog and events, this should have been the recipe for the show runners. Instead there were really basic fumbles, for example the accents of faille and aviendha were Horrid, like the worst I’ve ever heard. But more ridiculously all the aeil had different accents or simply none at all, completely breaking the immersion in season 3. Finally, the casting was not up to snuff. Many of The actors selected did not resemble, nor even faithfully re-create the characters in the source with the exception of the following: -moraine: good but too old & haggard -lanfear, good recreation -Renna (egwayne’s sul’dam) well done -valda, well acted despite zero resemblance -Perrin acted well, despite zero resemblance -Liandrin was very well done, but over represented ( probably because she was the only one nailing it) decent recreations: -matt (but he had a difficult role which was poorly written, plus recast) -loial -Thom -Elayne, passable -Rand, passable -Logain, passable -Lan, decent acting but not intimidating and no presence. The biggest let downs -forsaken, none were even scary -egwayne nose wart /no resemblance -nynaeve annoying/no resemblance -allanah, no resemblance, seafolk would have been better fit -aviendha, horrid accent/no resemblance -faille, horrid acting/no resemblance -min, no resemblance, not even tomboyish -siuane, absurd casting choice. Ace Ventura? -dark one CGI/lack of imagery -padan fain, no resemblance IMO the woman who played Chiad should have been cast as Aviendha, Eliada was cast by a great actress ( I loved her in the expanse) but here she was a poor fit for the role. she Would have made an excellent moghedian The Aes sedai are universally described as “ageless” and for the most part VERY feminine and attractive. Literally none of them fit that bill, all 40/50 year old unattractive Karen types, either gaunt or overweight. I really wish the show had simply just been a condensed and faithful recreation of the original, which would have been a challenge in itself… but adding all the changes and focusing on modern social narratives instead of storyline was a recipe for failure. In conclusion I’d say the show runners while unfairly constrained by 8 episodes, ultimately killed the project on day one with the actor choices and plot changes. A classic example of if it ain’t broke don't fix it. The failure lies squarely with the show runner, casting director, and screenwriter, every other problem stems from there. Their adaptation is simply worse and had completely unnecessary social and political messaging rammed in, random sex unrelated to the plot, plus short sighted, major plot changes which did not advance or enhance the storyline in any way. If you disagree, just go back and read the books then watch the series. It’s undeniable. From The very first episode in my head over and over I just kept saying wtf…ummm….WTF… while staring in complete disbelief and confusion as to why they chose to completely break immersion with main characters that have absolutely no physical or manneristic resemblance to the originals. After awhile you sort of “get used to it” but ultimately it’s an uglified version of beauty, and an irritant. In the future I think we will see a reboot. Many will disagree, and yes, it will be many years from now but I firmly believe It will happen, why? Because there will be a push in the coming years for Hollywood to drop the political BS and get back to its roots to start making money again. What makes money is good stories and good acting, period. Hollywood has been out of ideas for decades now and this is one of the best stories of all time…still completely untold just sitting there. We just have to wait for the right ta’veren to make it happen.

Long time Jordan fan who just recently re-read the first 4 books and watched the series to see how well things were adapted