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Despair

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  1. My take on it is that RJ was a history buff. The Children of the Light are a loose mix of the Crusader knights and the Inquisition. This is easily seen with the Questioners and and the shock troops in white. For the crusades, a knight had to swear an oath of fealty to uphold the righteous, etc... And centuries later, the Inquisition just killed everyone who didnt agree. Just a good poke a Catholicism. As for the incorporation in the books, he had it as a fallback for another source of evil. The immorality of moral supremecy.
  2. Darth Andrea made me remember one of my favorite (and one of the original) WOT artists. Her art is still awesome 7 years later. http://www.angelfire.com/art/frenchkiss/index.html Check it out.
  3. The whole point of Elaidas palace is just to make us hater her more. That is it.
  4. Oops, lost sight of the category. I still think Elayne and Faile suck.
  5. Sorry to quote you again, but you make very valid points (you really do put some time into your posts). You seem into it, so I will give you a solid response. It is my belief that when he first wrote "Eye of the World", it was a first novel to test the market and see what works. Remember, book 1 could technically be wrapped up by its final chapter. Anyway, that left all the characters wide open after it became a bestseller. Who buys SF and Fantasy books? Especially in the late 80s and early 90s? 90% men. Remember, up to that date, the "Dragonriders of Pern" had been the only success among female readers (excluding Tolkien and tha also came later). Thus the strength of the male characters. By book 3, I dont think RJ could look back. I will retract though. Over the course of 10+ books, he could have improved on certain characters forward progression, but he chose not to. As mentioned in an earlier post, I had hoped that Egwene would be a Ta'veren also. If you really want to see the method in the madness, there are really only 2 main characters. Rand and Egwene. Rand: Mat to make him more outgoing and spontaneous, and Perrin to add temporance and thought. Elayne to add indecision, Nynaeve to add structure, and Egwene to provide feelings. The rest are all extemporaneous. Egwene: Nynaeve to provide guidance, and Elayne to teach authority and attitude. Rand to provide feelings, Mat to provide a negative to her positive, and Perrin to provide a foundation. Easy.
  6. Trankand01, I will give you credit for rebutting every snipe I made against each character. I was just being cavalier about each character since they are almost like family members having been re-reading the books since the first hardcover of book 1 came out. You made valid points on all from a female point of view, so I say thanks. I especially loved the quote above. He lost his family, country, Aes Sedai, and now has to hang out with Nyenaeve in the off season. Jeeze, what a knob. Snap out of it. LOL. I too think he and Logain will really shine in the last book. They better!!!!
  7. Blood or no blood, it doesnt matter. After reading 10,000+ pages for the third time without a notepad, I still dont know who is related to who. I do know that Moiraine, Elayne, and Rand are related somehow, but who cares. Rand has the aiel, control of 5 armies, Penn and Tellers magic men outside of Caemlyn. He has every force known to man at his fingertips, yet it slips away. How could this happen? I have realized now that his name is Rand Al'Bush.
  8. In addition to my last reply where I spelled throne as thrown, House Trakand is unimportant as per the reasons given in the beginning of the post. They got that correct. By blood, it is Rand. Can we kill off Elayne now!!!!!
  9. Even if in her stupid, pretty, and arrogant head Elayne believed she united the countries behing her, it was only because of the fear of Rand. The lesser of two evils. Rand held the grip so Elayne could return. No matter what, that thrown was held for her. The nobles were cowed, plotting, and whatever under Rand, but he took care of 90% of the problem. Remember, Morgaise was a runner up queen (due to missing heirs) and an agreement on succession. Dont make me look back in the books, but I think she was only a cousin or something. Elayne's claim was actually no better than others. Sans Rand, she would have never have grabbed the thrown.
  10. Every women character kind of sucks in the books. In some weird way, RJ never could bring himself to create a female character that was loveable. Every woman character was a plotter, self interested, social/power climber, and a bitch. On the other hand, every male character is kind of stupid and has no ambition. For females, look at: Egwene: first real female character introduction. Starts off ignorant as hell, ends up head of the Tower and finishing her education on how to manipulate people. Super Power Freak! Nynaeve: I, like some other folks, hated! hated! her at first. After realizing she is my older sister in print, I came to except her. Still, if I were Rand or Egwene, I would have burned her to a crisp by book 2. Super Control Freak!!! Elayne: Born into to it, and it never goes away. She never, ever, ever treats anyone outside of the circle of protaginists without disdain. Oh yeah, unless she has something to gain. Super Entitled Freak! Min: Useless character with no point whatsoever. Still dont get why RJ put her in or didnt develop her. She could have been ok. Aviendha: The worst of all worlds. Angry, spiteful, proud, egotistical, self righteous, power hungry, and my worst nightmare. Wow. Moiraine: Steady and dependable. The best woman protagonist in the books. Faile: Stalker, control freak, back stabber. She screws her husband over 3 times in the books and gets away with tears and sorry. I dated her. Another wow. Rand: He runs the gammut from Mr. Vulnerable to Mr. Invincible. With all his power, he is still a puss. If Mat or Perrin were the Dragon Reborn, the series would have been over by book 5. Therefore, I am putting him under the female category. So those are our main women. The guys: Mat: Called an asshole in every chapter he is in. Not dependable. Ungrateful. Saves other main characters every 300 pages or so. Still called a little boy by the women (and Rand). If only his spear had 2 points he could do a double..... Perrin: Mr. Everyman. Dependable, loyal, hard working, persistant. That makes him a cow and is treated as such. Lan: Oh how I hate how he turned out. Book 1 - NINJA kick ass super character. Loads of potential. By book 8 he is a sniveling shell of a man. Logain: Not a real leading character, but should have been. The only guy who is true to himself throughout, and a second fiddle. Oh well.
  11. Ok, mystery solved! Now I can leave this one alone.
  12. Let's bring this topic back!!!! We all know Bela is the hero. We all know Rand is a twig. No discussion!!! Bela will kick Rand, Mat, Perrin, Nynaeve, Egwene and company into the fiery pits of hell to make a nice stew. If she only had hands, she would stir vigorously because Elayne keeps popping up. If horses could talk they would be asses; and thats why they dont talk.
  13. touche! But can we get Nynaeve, Elayne, and Perrin to jump out of a plane? It was made clear that in the time of legends they had some mass transport airborn thingies. If Rand is Lews, it could happen.
  14. So how do we end the books? I am thinking something like this: Although it was the end of an age, it was also a beginning. Rand had almost died during his last battle, but was dragged back to Fal Dara by Nynaeve and Lan. He was healing nicely, but Min, Elayne, and Aviendha decided it was time to test his mettle. After stabbing each other repeatedly, they just gave up and killed Rand too. In another far away place, Perrin would be serving 20 to life for finally killing his wife. Most would cheer. However, he was considered an idiot, and they allowed him to sit by a blacksmiths and yank on his axe all day, until the end of his days. Mat, who knows what happened. Turns out he married rich and they still cant find the family jewels. Egwene is still there of course. Somebody has to be. And as the wind wound its way through the mountains, it moved east and over the Two Rivers. Bela walked into the village and everybody asked, "where are they?" Belas shrugged and said get me some hay bitch.
  15. Nynaeve. She is a central character and she still is the most annoying.
  16. But you still didn't answer my question. How can three people fall from a height of 90 feet and walk away? Simple! As per Robert Townsend's movie Hollywood Shuffle: "I believe this movie. A dude could jump off a mountain and not hurt himself, 'cause he did brace himself, and knew something about the levels of gravitivity and polarity'." The best quote ever. It was the explanation why Indiana Jones never got hurt.
  17. OK. I give. Just playing devils advocate. I still think that RJ stole Ta'veren from George Lucas. Born with the force, enforce to no end!
  18. After reading about Olver, I think he is the one who should have been called Rand, with a silent y. The kid is what? A short tween and has the highest libido out of any character so far in the book. LOL Rand and Min: Crossdresso Rand and Elayne: Princess Rand and Avi: Sandy Rand and Egwene: Whynot Rand and Nynaeve: Drunkonenight Rand and Lan: Adoptee Rand and Perrin: Luber Rand and Mat: Oops Rand and Moiraine: Youwish Rand and the whole White Tower. Rand 1-350. Just like George Foreman. If Rand is gonna screw the world, he might as well screw everyone.
  19. Oh, and Moiraine is certainly dead. She is a revisiting spirit at best.
  20. Egwene. I have been certain also for the last 5 years. But the more we read this thread, the more it makes us doubt. I am with you 99% on Graendal. The evidence is huge. I am starting to let the Taim/Demandred thing in now though because if Taim is not Demandred, who the hell knows where/what Demandred has been doing up to that point in the book. RJ has some leeway on that.
  21. No, he inflates certain characteristics so greatly among his female characters, that you learn to hate them. Nynaeve becomes an obsessive compulsive. Ari becomes a a super-agressive batterer. Elayne becomes too arrogant. Tuon is just new, but still. Faile betrays her husband often, for his benefit. Etc, etc, etc. I am not saying that Mat, Rand, Perrin, Lan, and others are perfect, but at least you can identify with them somewhat. Except for Egwene who really grows into her role, the rest of the women are utter nonsense.
  22. So I gather from the responses that a 18 year old kid living in western South Carolina is the best soldier America has ever seen. He has been shooting a rifle since 5 y/o. He lives among the beasts of the forest. He can hit a rabbit with a bow or sling from 200 yards away. His fighting skills are top notch since he has been fighting his dad and uncles since day one. That is how I see Mat, Rand, and P. In the Army, they all eventually make good soldiers, but their upbringing alone does not make them so. Give me a poor 12 y/o from the Bronx anytime. Adaptability, motivation, and willingness to kill will always win.
  23. Finally finished through Knife of Dreams for the 4th time. My question is: Why does RJ hate women so much? He developed Mat and Perrin into somewhat likeable characters. If that didnt work, we got Uno, Lan, and a cast of many. Besides Egwene, every female in the books is flighty, bitchy, mean, and a downright PITA. Why did he do this?
  24. I still think it is Taim. I still think Taim/Demandred are very interwoven. When it comes to moving around, Taim is the best at just popping up. Best male character who can open gateways while still picking his teeth. Or it could be anyone. We will see.
  25. Like I already said, I will give Mat and Rand their due. Perrin has an axe. What does that have to do with wolves? They even question his use of steel. He walked out of the blacksmith shop and became a weapon master and killed 2 white cloaks right off the bat. No training, no knowledge. You've gotta figure that the guys he killed at least had some training. Im just trying to be a pain in the butt, but it still is kind of ridiculous.
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