4 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

If you'd like to have a rational, reasonable discussion about the show you are welcome on these boards

We tried reasonable season 1. We were told season 2 wouldn't steal from the guys and screw them over. Care to explain why you think this is okay? Care to sxplain why those who are unhappy are continued to be told to shut up and pound sand whole you all get to hate us as much as you want?

You say don't use mean words but yall are thw ones who threaten everyone who disagree with bans. Seems awfully fishy that only people who LIKE THIS SHOW are on the mod team. Seems like there is zero respect for the source from the mods team at all. Adios. I'm out. Yall can have you're echo chamber. You baited me with season 1 and 2. No more.

9 minutes ago, SinisterDeath said:

Seriously. Go outside. Touch some grass. Take a breather. Touch some grass. Life's to god damn short to get this upset over a tv show

Must be easy to just tell those upset to shut up, just like last time. Tell you what. If the next two seasons show the guys getting time to shine and moments TAKEN FROM THE GIRLS AND GIVEN TO THE GUYS, I'll apologize. But we both know that's not going to happen.

5 minutes ago, SinisterDeath said:

Because coming to the forums and calling users bigots is a great way to have a meaningful discussion

And lying to people and telling them the show is gonna stop taking the men's moments to shine is what exactly? 

You actively shutdown haters after last season telling us to breathe and calm down and it would get better. And it didn't. So what's you're excuse this time?

Or are you going to finally admit what's obvious to thosd of us who were upset during season 1?

The showrunners are rampant misandrists doing everything thry can to girl power this show and don't give a crap about the source?

Just now, SinisterDeath said:

Go outside and touch some grass?

I haven't posted here in ages, if anyone needs to touch grass and reality, it's the bigots like you gleefully defending garbage that hates the source.

I remember back during season 1 the book fans who didn't like the show were told to calm down, that the girl power ups at the expense of males would slow down and male characters, especially Rand, would get more time to shine, especially at falme

You can start apologizing now. Season 2. Falme in the bag. Rand screwed again.

I gave your garbage show a chance, yall lied to me and as far as I'm concerned every defender of this show is a liar who hates the books.

Rafe, as far as I'm concerned is a rampant misandrist and rafe of time can die in a fire.

unrelated but here's hoping Henry Cavill is allowed to do what he wants with WH 40k.

On 11/27/2022 at 5:54 PM, Sir_Charrid said:

It led to "water cooler" conversations debating who it might be

really? Never saw any water cooler discussion at my job about it. no one was talking about the show at all.

On 11/27/2022 at 5:54 PM, Sir_Charrid said:

It also stopped season 1 being the "Rand Show" and allowed it to be more of the ensemble show that later books mean it turns into anyway. 

it wasn't even an ensemble, it was literally all about Moiraine, Nynaeve, and to a lesser Extent, Egwene.

On 12/9/2022 at 10:39 AM, DojoToad said:

We knew more changes from the books were coming, but it is sometimes still a shock when it hits you in the face.

at this point they are just solidifying my distaste for what rafe has done. not having thom in season 2 during cairhein? what about his offing the king? and what leads up to it?

On 12/9/2022 at 12:29 PM, DojoToad said:

There will be cutting... and adding.

yep...we see how that went in season 1.

I also am going to call bullcrap on the whole "70% of people who finished the books thought the tv series was better".

but then again they did throw in the whole "taken from non online sources." which to me seems very biased.

Personally i am completely fine with them cutting hinderstep. 

10 minutes ago, expat said:

Covering that much material while still trying to make an interesting visual show (about an extremely lore heavy topic) is going to necessarily remove/change vast number of things. 

yeah, now imagine how much less would have been cut without all his completely unnecessary changes

8 minutes ago, expat said:

I've never understood why people expect more than the very broad strokes to be the same when they are doing 185 book pages per hour of screen time.

Doesn't help when Rafe dedicates an episode and a half to a storyline that never happened in the books.

They could have been closer to the source without sacrificing nearly as much as they did.

On 11/7/2022 at 4:26 AM, Sir_Charrid said:

How is this a re-imagining?

Brandon Sanderson said he had to look at it from the perspective a different turning of the wheel...

Are the very very broad strokes the same? yes. but that's about it.

On 11/5/2022 at 5:59 PM, WhiteVeils said:

Dumai's Wells is going to look awesome.

you got a guarantee for this? because at this point short of them destroying millions of shaido, i don't know how dumai's well can stack up.

On 11/5/2022 at 5:59 PM, WhiteVeils said:

I know that nothing will be acceptable except the direct translation from EOTW.  But there are reasons they made the change.

actually many of us have already said we didn't expect a 100% direct translation. what we didn't want was what was delivered. you can point out covid and people leaving all you want, but that doesn't excuse what happened BEFORE people didn't come back. But please do keep throwing out "you guys just wanted a 100% direct translation.

7 hours ago, SinisterDeath said:

Who says they haven't?

considering the show is sitting at around a 60% approval rating during a time when anything below 50% is practically unheard of? I'd say a lot of people are disappointed.

1 hour ago, DojoToad said:

The difference is that the untrained channeler in the books was the Dragon

The dragon reborn*

With access to the untainted eye.

2 hours ago, Skipp said:

Unlike the book ending where an untrained channeler wipes out an army of trollocs without even being touched

You mean the book where he had access to the eye?

Nice job leaving that out. Huge difference.

2 hours ago, DaddyFinn said:

And 3 out of 5 died as a result and the other 2 didn't feel very good afterwards

Still going to make dumais well very hard to adapt and give the wow factor.

Here's another problem I have with the ending of episode 8.

5 mostly untrained channelers wipe out hordes of trollocs without even being touched.

Imagine what they are going to have to do to give dumais well the wow factor it deserves.

things were a mess even before covid, so that cop out didn't even really fly with me the first time.

18 hours ago, expat said:

What I find ironic is that if the book EOTW had a different finish and the show filmed the book ending, we would hear the exact same criticism.  I seriously disliked episode 8, but for every problem with it, the original book ending had an equal number.  Bluntly, the EOTW endings in both the book and the series sucked.  Claiming professional writers don't care what they put forward and that they are incompetent because you disagree with some of their literary choices is unnecessary and inflammatory

Yeah but the rest of EOTW was strong enough to make up for the lackluster ending of the book.

I cannot say the same for season 1 of the TV series. Not even close.

1 hour ago, Skipp said:

This was likely one of those.  I think this might possibly play into Nynaeve's block

Doesn't matter. The point was they have proven they can shift stuff people do already. Period. End of story.

So to say that they won't change stuff for others? Yeah. Not holding my breath. 

Their motivations for making changes doesn't matter. They could have easily had other reasons to include them in the final episode that are more in line with their character that result in the same thing.

Like nynaeve and egwene helping out at the gap, and healing soldiers as they get injured. Lan could get seriously injured again near the end, and nynaeve completely overdoes it to heal him.

Which is totally in line with her character and was completely established earlier in the season that she would react in such a way. 

But that would require the writers to know what they are doing and to understand the source material and care.

1 hour ago, Skipp said:

This was clearly done to give characters other than Rand something to do in the finale

1) they could have done that so many other ways.

2) the point was we already have examples of them changing stuff that belongs to others 

5 hours ago, king of nowhere said:

Unless they want to eliminate one of them entirely, they have no reason to shift plots from one to the other

you mean like having rand save everyone at the gap? oh wait...

On 10/12/2022 at 6:59 AM, king of nowhere said:

i doubt they'll make such a change as to change the hornsounder

After everything else they have changed? Wouldn't put it past them

21 hours ago, SilentRoamer said:

I'm still going to be watching the show

At this point I'm going to adopt a wait and see approach for season 2. If people I trust tell me its back on track and more in line with the books I may check out season 2. But I have little faith in that happening.

Really looking forward to reacher though.

You know that show that closely followed the books and was far better received then wheel of time across the board?

On 8/22/2022 at 10:48 PM, DojoToad said:

mostly because I'm hating GRRM for not having finished the original series and being constantly distracted by 'side' projects

As angry as I am about this, nothing compares to the utter hatred I have of Patrick rothfuss.