5 minutes ago, Pandemonium said:

  the end of EoTW was never my favorite part of the series.  

 

 

It was not mine either, and I would have been OK with some changes. But the way it was shown in the finale was actually worse than it was in the book. The idea may have been fine, but the way it was realized was not. I just felt like "meh? That's it? What was it all about?" 

3 minutes ago, Mailman said:

5 channelers all not tower trained or too weak to complete the training wipe out 10k to 20k trollocs how is anyone defending this episode.

 

 

Yeah. And before someone points out that an untrained Rand did it alone... he actually didn't wipe them all out, and he was using the Eye of the World. Those women didn't seem to be using any sa'angreal on that level.

I would have been fine even with the women and Rand wiping them out together. But this was just totally illogical.

14 minutes ago, DigificWriter said:

I really wish the 'disappointed darkfriends' who are trashing this episode and the series in general would go watch tonight's episode of The Dusty Wheel so that they could hear Brandon Sanderson's incredibly insightful commentary, but I suspect they'd just end up going after him for not validating their complaints and outrage.

Frankly, I was a fan of the show before the finale, despite its faults. The last episode turned me to the Shadow. Why should I care that others liked the finale? I didn't and I can't make myself like it by force. And my opinion is no less valid than yours.

3 minutes ago, KakitaOCU said:

Lan in particular?

Saves Moraine repeatedly during episode 1
Leaves the group alone repeatedly to keep trollocs away and comes back with only minor cuts and scrapes in episode 2.
Saved the group with Shadar Logoth no matter what Moraine said and got her out of there in episode 3.
Went alone into the Blight and arrived at the eye completely untouched in episode 8.

Men in general:
Tam as a 20 year old rusty unpracticed swordsman scores multiple significant hits on a creature that towers over him in speed and strength.
Rand keeps cool in hsi first ever fight and puts arrows and a spear in the Trolloc.
Perrin full on battle rages and smashes down Trollocs despite no training
Mat braves the fight alone and unarmed to save his sisters.
That's episode 1...  I could continue.

Yeah, and all this is pretty small fish compared to what the women do in the show. Anything really heroic, it's women who do it. 

Of course you have a right to your opinion, and I have a right to mine. And my opinion is that men are deliberately shown weaker than women in this show.

2 minutes ago, KakitaOCU said:

They're not.  Sorry.  Every complaint I've seen about "weak men" has been nonsense.  Having someone else do something doesn't make the original character weak.  Having someone not do something doesn't make them weak.

Lan was a consumate badass through the entire series, just not an emotionless rock.  He repeatedly does amazing things but because it doesn't come with some big flashy move.

I mean seriously, other than Abell Cauthon can we have an example of this supposed weakness?  Because as a man, I don't feel the male characters are weak, I don't feel like the female characters are dominating any more than I'd expect out of the world.

What are the amazing things Lan has done in the show? I can name several amazing things right off that various women have done. Men... actually nothing comes to mind, except the fight in the very first episode.

Yes, women are definitely dominating this show. Which is all right in itself, but it isn't the Wheel of Time.

2 minutes ago, WY_Cowboy said:

 

- why didn’t everyone go into the blight?  

That one's easy. Nyn and Egwene couldn't have killed the Trolloc army if they'd gone into the Blight.

4 minutes ago, KakitaOCU said:

And again someone jumps into this misandry nonsense.  Women being powerful does not make men weak.

 

No, but they ARE shown as weak in the show. It's always the women who save the day. The men don't really do anything heroic. 

I'm a woman, and it actually bothers me.

3 minutes ago, VooDooNut said:

I agree. The women's circle stole the show. They definitely will have to show Rand's capabilities early next season.

They won't. This show isn't about the Dragon at all. It's about the women, and only them.  The men apparently don't matter at all (Perrin? Lan? They did absolutely nothing in the finale).

2 minutes ago, Seraphine said:

 

*I felt like they needed a powerful Rand channeling moment that revealed he was exponentially more powerful than anyone we've seen channel thus far. I didn't necessarily need the Rand Tarwin's Gap moment, but I wanted to *see* what it meant for him to be the Dragon Reborn.

 

That was what bothered me the most. All the build-up for the finale (dropped phrases like "raging sun", "two forces of nature" etc.) and we get barely a sizzle, not a bang. I didn't actually feel like the Dragon Reborn in the show was important to the story at all.

I would have gladly swallowed all other changes if we'd gotten that.

2 minutes ago, Gothic Flame said:

If he survives by the time he duels Demandred...well, lets face it, it won't be him. Probably be Nynaeve oe Egwene.

At this point I feel like they should have made Nynaeve the Dragon and that would've been that. Then I could have quit without looking back. Now I'm probably going to agonize over Season 2 too.

1 minute ago, WOTohnoes said:

Is there some reason you guys keep mentioning Ishy other than the books? It seems to me that the only time we might actually see the Foresaken is the Steppin scene where he shows of K's dolls to Lan.

Rafe mentioned in an interview that there are going to be the Forsaken in the series. But yeah, not sure what this was supposed to be about. 

Hi all.

I've lurked here for several weeks, but this is my first post.

So far I quite liked the TV series, but this last episode was a huge disappointment. No Eye, that's for first. No great battle between the Dragon and Ishamael. The women basically were responsible for saving the day (five random women, none of them a trained Aes Sedai). If I was someone not acquainted with the books, I would've got the impression that the Dragon Reborn was just another random magic user and why all this hullabaloo about him for the previous 7 episodes? The women obviously managed perfectly well on their own (apart from dying, of course). And why all the wailing and chest beating before the battle, if it was this easy to beat the baddies?

I just don't get those choices by the creators. At all. Not sure for how long I'm going to continue with this train wreck.