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WhiteVeils

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  1. 1) It's not a sex scene. You don't see anything. I mean, I admit I'm a huge prude overall, but you did not see them having sex at all. Camera cut away. 2) You can in no way prove it was done 'for the sake of having a lesbian sex scene'. If it was done for titillation, you'd see a whole lot more...just like you did in GOT. 3) It adds to the complexity of the characters. The relationship is there in the books, but they only think about it. You can't show thoughts in a show, so if they showed just what was in the books, we would not know there was a close relationship between them anyway. What they showed is not only them talking about a relationship, but also seeing/empathaizing with the depth of their relationship, so we know not only that they are sacrificing everything for the Dragon, but what that 'everything' truly means tot hem. It scales the sacrifice up incredibly in a way the audience can see and empathize with. Only very hard-hearted people could not feel that sacrifice after what they showed. 4) You are assuming it's to check a box because it didn't 'land' with you. But it landed with many many other people. That means, even if you thought it was useless, it moved and proved the point to others, others likely more numerous than you.
  2. I didn't read all the articles, but it looks like they focused only on the movies that Pike has made, because Paltrow also primarily does movies. (Paltrow has no notable TV Series, just guest appearances). Therefore the framework of these articles is setting up 'movie star' vs. 'movie star'. As such, TV series are moot in the discussion....the TV series Pike has been in aren't relevant for setting the framework up they want to set up (movie actress cat fight). It's like comparing Hugh Jackman to Robert Downing Jr in relationship to their thoughts on action movies and failing to mention Jackman's background in musical theater. Trying to examine this stuff for how important or 'known' Wheel of Time isn't really helpful...and kind of crazy making.
  3. We already have the answer to this from a clip shown last year at NYCC. He is not a channeler. However, if you remember Elyas's story, the Reds are not kind to a man who they suspect might be able to channel, even if he cannot. They tortured Elyas before he killed a number of people to escape.
  4. As Skipp said. I wrote the captions (not the altText)
  5. Perrin, Aviendha, and Masema dressed as a Seanchen soldier:
  6. Nynaeve getting ready for her Accepted test:
  7. A mysterious assortment of Seanchen, with Loial and the Dark One?:
  8. Got some new publicity photos, will include the old publicity photos too. Here you go. Goldeneyes:
  9. We will get: Egwene collared Myrrdrall on a door A version of the Darkfriend social Rand's fight with Ishamael (but there is a good chance it is not with Turok) A version of Nynaeve's accepted test. Elyas training Perrin about the wolves. Perrin freeing an Aiel from a cage We may get (as in there have been hints but nothing stronger): Mat vs Gawyn and Galad Horn being blown by Mat Liandrin betraying/kidnapping the girls Rand and Moiraine playing Daes Daemar A /version/ of Flicker Ingtar's final stand I hope we get: Fireworks Mat's lucky day Dagger healing A stedding (and Erith?) Balefire introduced Dreaming as a place you can do things in introduced.
  10. I think there is a chance we at least see Moghedien based on a casting for a character codenamed Madeline that supposedly is in S2 and S3. I don't think they will split up the Foresaken that way...it's too neat, and we know Luc is cast for S3. I do think there will be only 8 Foresaken: Ishamael, Lanfear, Moghedien, Semirage, Graendal, Sammael, Asmodean, and Demandred (at least based on the statues). But it's still mostly speculation.
  11. It's not a love triangle in the books, you're right. It's a man happily with his girlfriend being harassed by another woman. The fact that Perrin is less assertive about his answer than he should maybe be and everything is happening now rather than in the past makes it closer to a love triangle,but it isn't one The love triangle language I think was adopted early by show-haters looking for any possible excuse to hate on the show, though I will admit that Nynaeve's (wrong) accusation is essentially her accusing them of a love triangle that doesn't exist.
  12. I think it's equally possible that she did not attend the ceremony due to a miscarriage that she was hiding. That said, I don't want to take the shot of her belly as an indicator of miscarriage without anything else, let alone a strong one. The camera was focusing on the love-language gesture of Laila holding Perrin's pinkie, which it does a couple of other times in the episode, it's just that Perrin's pinkie was at her waist/belly. They could have staged it that way to show where Perrin will strike her later in the episode and the similarity to 'pregnancy' shots could just be coincidental. I won't rule it out...just could go either way.
  13. No. A love triangle means two people at the same time have affection for a third person, and that third person is torn between the two but does not pick one or the other. A triangle. That is absolutely not what happens in the show. In the show the sequence looks to be: Perrin feels romantic feelings towards Egwene but does not act on them or tell Egwene. Nynaeve notices Perrin's feelings but says nothing. Rand and Egwene begin a romantic relationship. Perrin and Layla begin a romantic relationship, fall in love, and marry. Layla may feel some unstated, unexpressed jealousy towards Egwene and Perrin's past feelings towards her and chooses not to attend her ceremony. However, Perrin still clearly loves Layla and she loves him. Perrin accidentally kills Layla and is filled with self-punishing guilt and horror. Perrin and Egwene are forced to be together on the Caraline plains. He holds her, takes care of her, etc, and never ever once touches her or confesses any romantic feeling towards her, With the tinkers, Perrin is happy to see Egwene dance with Aram and shows no jealousy of them (unlike in the books where Perrin is jealous of Aram being with Egwene several times in that sequence) In the Ways, Machin Shin feeds Perrin's self-hating guilt back on him by saying that he killed Layla on purpose because of the past feelings towards Egwene. This is guilt, not Truth. Rand and Egwene are fighting because Rand is intentionally trying to push her away, and Perrin steps in to defend her. Nynaeve, stressed and wrong, thinks its based on Perrin's old feelings (In the books, Nynaeve is terrible at seeing how the younger EFers have grown up and changed), and accuses that fight as being a fight over Egwene. She realizes it is wrong immediately and apologizes. Rand, using the fuel to push everyone away, accuses Perrin of starting to go with Layla when he got together with Egwene. STILL nothing current even if Rand were right. Perrin makes absolutely clear that Layla is the only woman he has ever loved, and EVERYONE believes him. So should we. People are allowed to have childhood crushes and past relationships and it not be a love triangle. I'm not in a love triangle with my old boyfriends. Let alone a love triangle with my old crushes I never spoke to. That's ridiculous.
  14. Absolutely! The character's being wrong about their assumptions is a huge theme in WOT. Perrin had guilt rebounding back on him from Machin Shin, but he had been holding Egwene in the Caraline pans, and may very well have had a shine for Egwene before his marriage, which would feed into his guilt, and Nynaeves erroneous assumptions, but he never showed anything but brotherly love for Egwene in the series. And nothing in the show depicted Layla and Perrin's relationship as bad. It looked to me like Layla just may have been a bit jealous of Egwene and the shine Perrin may have had for her before thier marriage. If she was working instead of partying with Egwene because of jealousy, it's a great precursor to Perrin and Faile's relationship, where Perrin assumes Faile is jealous all the time.
  15. The fight between Mat and Couladin only is described as one of Mat's memories while he is drinking afterwards. It is Fires of Heaven. It's not depicted on the page. It is obviously a very important moment. I was just wondering how that would fall in your classification.
  16. If the show shows Matt and Couladin's fight, does that count as a change or not?
  17. That's a possibility that one should be aware could happen. I don't think it will...I think that Moiraine being cut off from the source gives them the ability to explain a ton about shields and stilling and holding and maintaining shields that fits on top of what they showed us with Logain, and that's pretty relevant later on. But that's one way they could roll things up.
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