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Sammuel

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  1. Elayne is the main reason I asked this question. I think that we will get a different impression of her character if at first we think of her as a regal prissy princess and then the moment she's away from authoritative eyes she's an expert at "Sailor talk," and I think that will only come across if they are using real word curse words.
  2. Or she could try over using them in the wrong place, like kids do when they first learn them. But is was also her mom that said she had a saucy tongue.
  3. Is she inept at swearing? I thought she had a "Saucy tongue."
  4. Related to this, what do you think they are going to do about the swearing. If they are going to have nudity and violence, there's no reason to hold back on the explicit language other than the fact that the books have their own version of swear words, which are going to sound really cheesy if they put those in the show. If you had a choice, would you rather they put book swears or modern swears in the show?
  5. I felt guilty about trying to look up her age, and worse when I got to a page that had her relationship status and list of Ex's. Still feel dirty about that. I did find a video of her doing stand up for five minutes, so that was fun and I retract saying she looks too serious. I was watching the Patrick Stewart version of Macbeth, and lady Macbeth is so hauntingly creepy in it that I couldn't help but think she would make the perfect Lanfear. She's so hauntingly terrifying in the role, and still darkly beautiful. Anyways, I looked up the actress, and it's Kate Fleetwood who's been cast as Liandrin. Sorry for the interruption.
  6. I probably shouldn't have assumed I knew her age. I thought the lady playing Siuan was in her late 20's/early 30's and not 52.
  7. With Kae Alexander as Min, I like that they got someone who's proven themselves as a stage actress, and didn't go for any model type. I do have some concerns, that could be proven null and void by the time the show actually comes out. One, she looks very serious, which makes me worried that she won't be the snarky lovable regular gal of the series and more of a slow talking oracle type. And the only concern I have with her looking significantly older is that it might hint that they are going to kill her romantic storyline. If they keep it, awesome, good for the show featuring an older woman and younger man being in love. My concern is that they won't do that, and Elayne and Aviendha will be in a polyamorous relationship with Rand while Min will be more of a background advisor role. Still, excepted that the roles have been cast. Ready to move on to a future where I can come home from work and finally watch the premiere.
  8. This is more of a theoretical question than a practical one, since it revolves around the events of the later books, but I want to get your guy's opinion on this. Obvious, it will be extremely heartbreaking when we see Madeleine Madden as Egwene collared as Damane, and triumphant when she's freed. It's a horrifying concept. However, in the books, if feels like when the main characters make uneasy alliances with the Seanchan, the Damane get used a lot for the cause of our heroes. Tylee uses them to help free Faile in Malden, and they are all over the last battle, Mat even using one to make a gateway so he can see the battlefield. My question is are we going to get to a point where the audience is just going to accept seeing women wearing collars being used for the cause of good? The alliance with the Seanchan makes sense, in that they can't fight an empire based on slavery and the existential doom of everything at the same time, but it feels like it's easier to read about a Damane doing things on the page that to see a woman on a leash being asked to do things by one of peoples favorite characters, and his reaction being "This is neat, why didn't I think of this before." So how would you like this handled? Should we show the characters being uncomfortable around them? Should they free them all? Or will it just look better if instead of being connected by the neck the A'dam gets connected wrist to wrist? Want to hear your alls thoughts...
  9. Agreed, though there's no evidence that any of the good guys have tried learning it, and is one of the forsaken likely to want to rescue Semirhage and heal her? And agree on good guys. It's excusable that Nyneave let's Moghedien escape the first time, but Elayne knocks out the black sister who was tormenting Amethera and then just leaving her was stupid. Does it sound disturbing that I wish she would have taken her belt knife to stab the woman?
  10. Leads to the heartbreaking line "He's already moved passed it." In his mind, hand's gone, move on. Honestly, they should have balefire'd her in anyways. Or stilled her on the spot, so they could keep her alive and mostly harmless. Heroes in the series tend to do a lot of leaving the villains alive and hoping that other villains kill or enslave them for failing.
  11. Honestly, I can't see this face and not think Elaida. How we feel about Tilda Swinton as Cadsuane?
  12. This would be perfect if Verin looked her age. Maybe some deaging effect that doesn't look creepy will be in order.
  13. Are they going all Harry Potter with the casting and not bringing in any American actors? I decided I really want to see Zooey Deschanel as Lanfear. It would be someone who is beautiful, but doesn't scream evil with her presence so that makes the character that much more fascinating.
  14. I'm sure they were friends, just like I'm sure Martin would have loved to know Tolkien. But I think that the main Characters don't take the political theater in WoT as seriously as they should, and Martin would have wanted to show the consequences of that.
  15. This is not fan casting, which is why I wanted to put this thread in the book section. I can't get into why Min is my favorite character right now but she is, even though a lot of what I love about her might be fan fiction I've written in my head. And I wanted to talk to everyone, especially the ladies on here, and get their thoughts on a possible body image crisis Min Farshaw might have had that kind of got ignored. Book 6 & 7 is when Min finally get's to be with Rand, and even though she's still wearing coats and britches instead of dresses she makes an effort to make her attire more feminine and appealing to Rand, even though she struggles with the idea of changing herself for a boy. Kind of an annoying section in the book is when she slut shames Berelain and then immediately decides to get low cut blouses made for her. To a lot of fans minds, she's become the silly lover girl that she promised she wouldn't become. Lord of Chaos comes out 1994. A Game of Thrones comes out 1996, and we meet Arya Stark. I think George RR Martin was keeping up with WoT, and there are things in ASOI&F that respond to it. Firstly that in WoT, Daes Dae'mar is ridiculed by most of the protagonist throughout the series, and they usually prefer to use strength rather than play in this deadly game, so GRRM decided to show us what happens when someone is strong and noble, but bad at playing politics. We can dig deeper into that another time. But more importantly for this discussion is Arya Stark, who shares a lot of attributes with Min. It's not just that they both are tomboys, but that they have a kind of egalitarian sense of justice, both are smart, both seem to have an easier time making friends with old rough men than women their own age, and they both pretty much grow up having to look after themselves, although Min has her Aunts I guess. But it seems like GRRM wanted Arya to be a Min Farshaw with more integrity, that follows through on not being a damsel or lover girl. And so far Arya has followed through on this, on the books and the show. Which brings us to Maisie Williams, who had the responsibility of bringing this character to life. The thing is that she was not only great playing Arya, but she was a fun personality off-screen, and talked freely about whatever was on her mind. So I want to draw your attention to this article that you guys might have seen already if you're GoT fans. https://www.teenvogue.com/story/maisie-williams-arya-stark-game-of-thrones-affected-her-body-image Basically playing a character that was supposed to be devoid of sexuality, and was suppose to be disguised as a boy while going through puberty effected her body image, and her relationship with femininity. After writing all this, I realize this might be a stretch in the point I was making, but it get's me thinking about the mixed messages women get about how to feel about the feminine. Reading the article about Maisie Williams is what got me thinking that maybe Min was having a kind of weird body image crisis in these two books that never got addressed. In fact, sadly, a lot of Min's trauma is never addressed, so I just kind of assumed it's always been there and that Jordan just forgot to tell us. The first conversation she hands with Rand does not leave us feeling like "Hey, Rand just talked to this pretty girl who gave him a prophecy, I wonder if they'll get together later" as much as "Rand just talked to this psycho lady who uses the same words the dark one used." Later on she's acknowledged as being pretty "despite" wearing boys clothing, and she seems like she appreciates being acknowledged for her looks, and being acknowledged as a sexual being, after resisting being this way for so long. Personally, I'm not a fan of the heeled boots, and would have loved it if Rand had just told her she could be herself at any point, but her changes in a way point to almost exactly what happened with Maisie Williams. I'm not sure if I've described this as clearly as I would hope, and there might have been a key piece I left out, but I want to hear from you all. When I said particularly the ladies, that was mostly because I assume that Min is not as popular among female fans because she is the only major character in the books who's role is entirely dependent on their S/O, and also because I have the nerdy cliche in my head of nerdy fan girls who suddenly put on make up and dresses for the first time and are suddenly noticed by everyone around them. PS. It just got me thinking that someone like Daniel Radcliffe or Maisie Williams or Kit Harrington could be hired as consultants to tell Joshua Stradowski what it's like to have people only care about getting you to fulfill a destiny "completing a movie or Tv series of a beloved property" and not being acknowledged as a human being. Be good for preparing him to be dark Rand and whatever horrors being in a beloved property brings onto him.
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