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Sammuel

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  1. Honestly, I can't see this face and not think Elaida. How we feel about Tilda Swinton as Cadsuane?
  2. This would be perfect if Verin looked her age. Maybe some deaging effect that doesn't look creepy will be in order.
  3. Are they going all Harry Potter with the casting and not bringing in any American actors? I decided I really want to see Zooey Deschanel as Lanfear. It would be someone who is beautiful, but doesn't scream evil with her presence so that makes the character that much more fascinating.
  4. I'm sure they were friends, just like I'm sure Martin would have loved to know Tolkien. But I think that the main Characters don't take the political theater in WoT as seriously as they should, and Martin would have wanted to show the consequences of that.
  5. This is not fan casting, which is why I wanted to put this thread in the book section. I can't get into why Min is my favorite character right now but she is, even though a lot of what I love about her might be fan fiction I've written in my head. And I wanted to talk to everyone, especially the ladies on here, and get their thoughts on a possible body image crisis Min Farshaw might have had that kind of got ignored. Book 6 & 7 is when Min finally get's to be with Rand, and even though she's still wearing coats and britches instead of dresses she makes an effort to make her attire more feminine and appealing to Rand, even though she struggles with the idea of changing herself for a boy. Kind of an annoying section in the book is when she slut shames Berelain and then immediately decides to get low cut blouses made for her. To a lot of fans minds, she's become the silly lover girl that she promised she wouldn't become. Lord of Chaos comes out 1994. A Game of Thrones comes out 1996, and we meet Arya Stark. I think George RR Martin was keeping up with WoT, and there are things in ASOI&F that respond to it. Firstly that in WoT, Daes Dae'mar is ridiculed by most of the protagonist throughout the series, and they usually prefer to use strength rather than play in this deadly game, so GRRM decided to show us what happens when someone is strong and noble, but bad at playing politics. We can dig deeper into that another time. But more importantly for this discussion is Arya Stark, who shares a lot of attributes with Min. It's not just that they both are tomboys, but that they have a kind of egalitarian sense of justice, both are smart, both seem to have an easier time making friends with old rough men than women their own age, and they both pretty much grow up having to look after themselves, although Min has her Aunts I guess. But it seems like GRRM wanted Arya to be a Min Farshaw with more integrity, that follows through on not being a damsel or lover girl. And so far Arya has followed through on this, on the books and the show. Which brings us to Maisie Williams, who had the responsibility of bringing this character to life. The thing is that she was not only great playing Arya, but she was a fun personality off-screen, and talked freely about whatever was on her mind. So I want to draw your attention to this article that you guys might have seen already if you're GoT fans. https://www.teenvogue.com/story/maisie-williams-arya-stark-game-of-thrones-affected-her-body-image Basically playing a character that was supposed to be devoid of sexuality, and was suppose to be disguised as a boy while going through puberty effected her body image, and her relationship with femininity. After writing all this, I realize this might be a stretch in the point I was making, but it get's me thinking about the mixed messages women get about how to feel about the feminine. Reading the article about Maisie Williams is what got me thinking that maybe Min was having a kind of weird body image crisis in these two books that never got addressed. In fact, sadly, a lot of Min's trauma is never addressed, so I just kind of assumed it's always been there and that Jordan just forgot to tell us. The first conversation she hands with Rand does not leave us feeling like "Hey, Rand just talked to this pretty girl who gave him a prophecy, I wonder if they'll get together later" as much as "Rand just talked to this psycho lady who uses the same words the dark one used." Later on she's acknowledged as being pretty "despite" wearing boys clothing, and she seems like she appreciates being acknowledged for her looks, and being acknowledged as a sexual being, after resisting being this way for so long. Personally, I'm not a fan of the heeled boots, and would have loved it if Rand had just told her she could be herself at any point, but her changes in a way point to almost exactly what happened with Maisie Williams. I'm not sure if I've described this as clearly as I would hope, and there might have been a key piece I left out, but I want to hear from you all. When I said particularly the ladies, that was mostly because I assume that Min is not as popular among female fans because she is the only major character in the books who's role is entirely dependent on their S/O, and also because I have the nerdy cliche in my head of nerdy fan girls who suddenly put on make up and dresses for the first time and are suddenly noticed by everyone around them. PS. It just got me thinking that someone like Daniel Radcliffe or Maisie Williams or Kit Harrington could be hired as consultants to tell Joshua Stradowski what it's like to have people only care about getting you to fulfill a destiny "completing a movie or Tv series of a beloved property" and not being acknowledged as a human being. Be good for preparing him to be dark Rand and whatever horrors being in a beloved property brings onto him.
  6. Out of curiosity, do you think they could possibly hold back the identities of Elayne and Min until the air date? If they got big names, the reveals might be kind of fun but kind of distracting. I say that if that's what they decide to do, they do it well. It would piss off everyone if they cast a female actress to play her and then pull a "Let the right one in" and just say she's trans. They'll have an uphill battle to win people over. Same if they decide to make Aviendha a guy and have that character have a loving sibling relationship with Elayne.
  7. totally agree. Without going to far off course, I do want her to be more action-y but I appreciate that she's not a channeler and doesn't have warrior training. The one thing I do want her to be able to do, and I don't know why it's not in the books, is her ability to see Darkfriends. I do wonder if they are going to do something queer with Rands character, based solely on the fact that the actor has done some queer cinema.
  8. I just watched the conversation on the Dusty Wheel about this: I think that there are two ways they can go. First way, all the nudity is only related to sexual situations, and that it's just butt and boobs and suggestive shots. Second way, if they want to show all the ritual nudity and situations related to characters being shamed, then just go full front with it and don't act like you're trying to hide anything. A lot of the ritual nudity is problematic, because it mostly revolves around the women, and at the same time there's this weird dynamic where all the female channelers need to remain chaste while the men at the black tower are allowed to have families, but that's a different discussion, but there's a lot of fetishized nudity in the show, and they can either exploit it and suffer the outcry or pull back on it. I have to confess I am uncomfortable about the suggestion about Min being transgendered. It's better than not having her in the show at all, which I've heard suggested, but she is my favorite character in the series, and I'd be anxious about this change up until the show is actually aired. And I honestly am not sure if this makes me a bad ignorant person. (By the way, and I've mentioned this before, Min is the only major female character that doesn't get a non-sexual nudity scene, and most of that non-sexual nudity feels like it's meant to disempower and humble powerful women like Nyneave, Faile, and even Siuan. I have a feeling that Min doesn't get this treatment because she's not a powerful character, in that she's not a channeler or a ruler, so doesn't need to get humbled. But she does used a lot of bondage language though for some reason.)
  9. I had a job that allowed me to listen to the audiobooks, and without it I might not have been able to read the series, although conversely if I hadn't had Wheel of Time and other audiobooks, I probably wouldn't have stayed at that job for so long. They do some weird stuff with the voice changes, and It's really fascinating to me. Particularly Min, who Kramer made sound like a straight up villain in the first book. It's an amazing contrast to the scene in LoC where she says she can spy on the lords by draping herself on him and feeding her grapes. I kinda wish they would do that for the TV show, make the audience feel uneasy about her. Could be fun. Maybe they won't do it because the show is coming out but I would love if they did something similar to the His Dark Materials full cast audiobooks. Those were great.
  10. I'm wondering how many important settings are going to be in Season one. It's probably going to be hella inconvenient if they they have a new setting per episode. If I think back on GoT season 1 mostly had 4 or 5 major settings. eye of the world, because it's a journey, should have" The Two Rivers Baerlon = can be cut if they put Min some in Caemlyn, but need to include her, Shaddar Logoth The inns Rand and Mat go to, although it could be the same building and they shoot a different corner each time. Caemlyn Shinar The blight If they continue into the great hunt, then it will show Tar Valon and probably Cairhien. What can be cut to reduce budget cost, so that they can deal with them later?
  11. Thanks. I'm just only discovering the wider WoT community.
  12. I love that. She has that kind of evil beauty about here, and the only worry is that she'll think it's too similar to her GoT character. There are some characters I kind of want an unknown for, which is a gigantic risk for the story but hopefully turns out to be worth it. Min is definitely one of those cases. I remember first reading the books and just completely overlooking her significance to the future of the story, which fits well with her character. Probably too risky to do. The lazy answer for Min would be another GoT actress, Maisie Williams, but I'd kind of like seeing Kelly Marie Tran, the lady that plays Rose Tico in Star Wars, if that experience has not traumatized her into retirement. Also, I think Hailee Steinfeld for Faile might work.
  13. I've been starting of a reread of the books this month, and it seems like the threat of spankings is more prominent than actual spankings, and like a lot of you said, it's usually women on women. I think there's a strong SM theme that runs throughout the series, even down to females surrendering to Saidar versus the men fighting with Saidin. (Honestly, there will probably be people upset about the gender binary nature of this world. There's no spectrum of Saidin and Saidar.) There is also a great amount of female nudity that has nothing to do with sex, but does have a lot to do with humiliation and disempowerment, and that's going to get a lot of people upset. There was a line in "Good Omens" about how most books of witches describe them as always doing their rituals naked because most book about witches are written by men, and I think that applies here. If they put this stuff in the show, it will get complained about. They will also get a good number of people interested in the show because of it. So are they going for a Game of Thrones type of gritty show with nudity and blood or are they making a wholesome family show? It's streaming, so the limit of what they can do is high. So if they are going to put spanking and nudity imbalance in the show, they should try to make it make sense instead of making in stand out, even if it was in the original source material. If a novice get's punished, do some knuckle wrapping. Let Siuan have a shift after her stilling. Have the Aiel allow their new Gai'shain to change once they get back to camp.
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