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Effete

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  1. True. But I think the general vibe was it was pretty much a utopia. Weather control made the seasons predictable, with little or no natural disasters; Chora trees everywhere spread peace and contentment (opiate for the masses?); and pretty much everyone's needs were met.
  2. But then doesn't this defeat your theory that the Aiel were all about preserving trees and growing things? Even if it were only the Chora trees they cared about, I'd imagine they'd make some considerable sacrifices to keep one alive... if they were as important as you claim. The fact that there are so many Aiel (hundreds of thousands, if not over a million) living in the Waste, that's a whole lot of water going just to sustain them, even at bare minimum amounts. If their population were cut in half, the "extra" water could be used to maintain one Chora tree per clan. And if Jordan wanted to ge
  3. This makes sense. As an aside, the "Rods of Dominion" sounds quite ominous. I'm fairly certain "dominion" is meant to refer to the extent of one's governance (i.e., lines on a map), but it kinda sounds like the Age of Legends was a dystopian dictatorship, with whoever holds a Rod commanding obeisance from the plebs. Ohh, the power of words...
  4. Because that's the name Jordan chose. 😁 But seriously, the society of the Age of Legends was quite alien to anything we see in the books (reminiscent of the late Renaissance) or even our own contempary, modern society. The Way of the Leaf seems like some type of psuedo-spiritual philosophy meant to tie its adherents to a common goal (much like how Suiane described the Three Oaths). The only real glimpse we get of AoL Aiel is during the growth-song (I forget the actual name used), where they are growing vegetables. It seems to me that the Aiel were akin to farmers. After all, someon
  5. The Oath Rod in the White Tower was said to be engraved with the number "3", which some believed represented the Three Oaths. But the rod that Samael gives to Sevanna was engraved with, IIRC, an "11." (Or was it "111"? Something else entirely??) At any rate, it was higher than nine. Not sure what that suggests, but it seems to rule out Sevanna's rod being one of the nine.
  6. @Jsbrads2 You're going to need to provide some quotes to support those claims.
  7. Inferred from Rand's ancestral memory. There was mention of numerous caravans lined up, each laden with artifacts and each with several Chora saplings strapped to the sides. This was all well before the schism. We know the WotL forbids violence, and we know no Chora trees survived except for Avendesora, so we can infer that the Tinker-Aiel: a) never found a place to plant them, and/or b) abandoned them. By contrast, the wasteland-Aiel had abandoned the WotL, which presumably allowed them to defend the caravans long enough to reach Rhuidean. The Jenn are very likely
  8. Okay, but now you need to provide examples of where the "All is well" phrase deserves to be used, or where "cloudberries" need to be mentioned. Otherwise, these fall perfectly in line with an open-ended use. Just because the books no longer have examples of the terms, it does not mean they no longer exist, or are no longer being said... it's just that there is no reason to mention them explicitly. The narrative can still allude to the phrase, though, even without using it. For example, if a sentence was: In the midst of the panic, she assured them everthing was going to be fine, th
  9. "Jenn" literally means True, so the Jenn Aiel, by definition, are the only "True" (or real) Aiel. However, this is a term that was applied to them later, by a people already perverted from their roots, so I would NOT use it as any conclusive proof one way or another. It does seem to suggest that the Wasteland Aiel acknowledge that they are not "true" Aiel, which defaults your question to the Tinkers being the "real" Aiel. Regardless, let's explore some more... If Rand's flashback memories serve any merit, then the Tinkers are closer to what the Aiel were in the AoL. The
  10. Is the point of this thread to find examples of things Jordan mentions in one book, but not in others? Because if so, you could have made that more clear in the OP. Otherwise it just looks like you're griping about things and then flippantly dismissing any rationale that's offered. As I said in my previous post, there's a ton of things that only get mentioned once: sword forms; towns; citizens, book titles. It seems boring and tedious to try compiling an exhaustive list.
  11. Yep! The whole Berelain /Faile thing felt like RJ was just being indulgent. It could have been resolved within one book, but dragged on and on and just got tiresome.
  12. Is this just a thread to share art? Discuss techniques? What's the "signup" for? Help!
  13. The phrase could be a mistake, or it could be Jordan hinting that the two cultures at one time shared roots. A quick word-search for cloudberries came back with two results. The first, Perrin accuses Rand of "picking cloudberries" when he pits himself between the Tower AS and the Salidar AS. The second appearance is in Ebou Dar, where Birgitte offers Nyneave some mint & cloudberry tea. There may be more examples, but I didn't care enough to delve deeper. I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make bringing this up... seems like cloudberries are just some t
  14. How are you quantifying their rank amongst fighters? "Top 2%" is an oddly specific conclusion. Besides, I think I would disagree. There isn't much evidence that ALL Fades are exquisite fighters. We've seen them killed fairly easily by a number of characters. I think it's the Fade's other abilities that make them formidable to the uninitiated. Their fear gaze can cripple even the stoutest warrior, making them perform under their potential. And Fades are fast and wiry, which can surprise someone accustomed to fighting only other humans.
  15. The fact that Nyneave was present when those events occurred is what we call "coincidence." All those events were well on their way to happening anyway. The Aiel had been over the Dragonwall for months, before finally arriving in Tear (likely pulled in by Rand's presence). Tanchico was being manipulated by both Moghedian and the Seanchan before Nyn even stepped foot in the city. Samara was a powderkeg under the oppressive hand of the Prophet. And Ebou Dar was only the next step for the Seanchan after Toman Head, Arad Doman, Tarabon, and Amadicia. E
  16. What do you mean "beginning of the Hunt for the Horn?" Did you mean the novel, The Great Hunt? Because she didn't say it in The Great Hunt, she said it in The Dragon Reborn, when she was with Perrin, Rand, and all the Sheinarians who saw Mat blow the horn... so yeah, I'm betting she was privy to what happened. Especially since the book begins a couple months after the events at Falme, so the reader should infer that some discussion and conversation occurred.
  17. Murandy and Altara are described that way, but not Ghealdan. The reader's first real look at Ghealdan is after it has been ravaged by the Prophet and it's rulers systematically murdered until they capitulate. The "broken" Ghealdan we see probably shouldn't be conflated with the country that existed prior to The Dragon Reborn. Aside from the Aes Sedai's deathgrip on anything male channeler-related, the stigma and fear surrounding male channelers would likely make anyone want to distance themselves from such a person. Ghealdan (the rulers and constituents alike) would probably be gla
  18. Back to the topic... What I would tell Rafe, if given the chance, would be: 1) leave modern socio-political retoric out of the show. The vast majority of people don't espouse the type of ideology being pushed in many TV shows, movies, comic books, and video games, and the feeling of being "preached at" is the one and only cause these ventures fail. I placed this at number 1 because it is THE most important piece of advice I can give. Jordan went into excruciating detail to describe what certain people from certain places looked like. All you need to do, Rafe
  19. I think you are lying when you say you cannot see how "MC" can be confused with Mat Cauthon, as it makes PERFECT SENSE within the context of removing characters from a story arc. Stop making excuses for yourself and own up to your mistake. This is such a dishonest argument to make. On so many levels! First, you KNOW that I read "MC" as Mat Cauthon, NOT "main character" so it's entirely disingenuous for you to frame this response as me thinking Mat was a main character of any of the books. Second, I definitely WAS talking about Mat from Book 3 because Y
  20. So "MC" meant "main character," not "Mat Cauthon." Well, that explains why you thought I was putting words in your mouth, but the confusion was entirely your fault. When you're talking about removing characters from a story arc and you use an abbreviation, the natural tendency is for the reader to assume you're referring to a character. When I first mentioned Mat, it was incumbent upon you to find the source of that confusion and correct it, not accuse me of acting in bad faith. Regardless, I stand by my opinion. I'd rather have the series show Moiraine researching Balefire, i
  21. That's so condescending. You said (emphasis mine): Where exactly am I putting in words? You clearly said to remove Moiraine from the second book and remove Mat from the third. I disagreed, and gave extensive reasons for why I disagreed. So again, where exactly am I misrepresenting your words?
  22. Well, I think maintaining a close proximity is necessary so the channeler can actually see what their weaves are doing, but physical contact is not needed. As you say, Flinn hovers his hands over Rand... and he talks, which he said makes it easier for some reason (again, his own "learned" behavior). 😉 If I recall correctly, Nyneave also doesn't touch Logain when she Heals his severing; she just stares at him across the table. I might be wrong on that, though, not sure.
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