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Orange7

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  1. Demandred was one of the Shadows foremost generals during the War of Power. In addition, he has millions of deaths on his record. I think that is a little different than keeping his hands clean. Also, his entire motivation for going to the shadow was hating Rand, and holding a grudge for more than 3,000 years doesn't make it seem like he'd listen to reason, even if he were sane. It would be nice, but it is extremely unlikely.
  2. I'm surprised that nobody chose Erith.... In all seriousness, though, I would definitely choose Min.
  3. I agree with several of those topics, but Mat giving up the high ground is perfectly justifiable. Considering the use of gateways, the advantage means much less than it normally would have, and you need to consider that you are facing a huge number of channellers, even without Demandred, who can appear out of nowhere at any moment without warning. Leaving your men exposed on the top of a hill, with the enemy already knowing your entire formation, is suicide. I agree that he should have focused everything that he had on that spot in preparation for the Sharans' arrivals, but honestly, with all of their channellers, I doubt it would have mattered in the end. Demandred alone could have killed every channeller they had, and if they had started attacking him outright, he might have.
  4. 1. The Gathering Storm 2. Lord of Chaos 3. The Shadow Rising 4. The Dragon Reborn 5. The Great Hunt 6. Eye of the World 7. Crown of Swords 8. Winter's Heart 9. A Memory of Light 10. The Fires of Heaven 11. Path of Daggers 12. Knife of Dreams 13. Towers of Midnight 14. Crossroads of Twilight
  5. I can think of several scenarios, but my personal favorite is this: Demandred realizes that Rand went to Shayol Ghul, and so Demandred actually attempts to follow him, traveling to an area nearby the battle at Shayol Ghul, because travelling in there would be suicide. As he approaches, Demandred runs into Fain, and he has some form of cataclysmic three way fight with Padin Fain and his crazed minions and the Light armies. Even with Mat bringing the forces from Merillor to help, the Light has almost no chance. Fain Mashadar's most of the people in Demandred's circle, and almost ends up getting Demandred himself by using his own circle of 72 against him, and he manages to destroy sakarnen/blow it out of Demandred's grip. In the last moments, as he is distracted with killing Demandred, Fain is stabbed in the back by Mat. Demandred, now weakened, is brought down by other circles/flees.
  6. Come on guys... No love for Rand at the top of Dragonmount, Perrin at Malden, any of the battle scenes, Moridin's (pre-Amol) interactions, or any of the BT stuff? There were quite a few good parts. They just happened to have quite a few bad parts surrounding them. It doesn't make the books completely worthless.
  7. "Honestly if someone asked me for my commendation on the series I'd tell them to read books 1-5 and ready the plot summaries of the rest to find out what happens. And if they tell me they'd rather not do that I'd recommend skipping it all together. I cannot in good conscious recommend books 6-14, there are too many better ways to spend one's time than to ready almost ten thousand pages of that." Honestly, Several of those books were quite good. Large parts of 9,10, 13, and 14 are crap, but most of them are still salvageable, and 6,7, 8, 11, and 12 were all pretty good. If anything, you may want to tell your friend to at least go until Path of Daggers. LOC and COS were both good, and POD wasn't too bad, so they may still get some entertainment out of them. Honestly, WH wasn't all that bad either, but it was where it started to get a little painful in places, and it leaves a lot of cliffhangers that make it impossible not to read on (Which would mean COT, *shudder*).
  8. I would probably just hide up in some area like the mountains of mist or the spine, where no one would find me. I would play around with it for a while, and if I didn't die before I went crazy, at least there would be no one around when I did.
  9. About Ishy... I'm not sure that he was given protection while before the bore weakened. However, he was partially trapped, appearing only a few times per century. Perhaps the fact that he was mad by the first few novels is a a reflection of his small brushes with channelling tainted saidin over the eons.
  10. Back to the "how many suldam per damane?" discussion. Considering that sul'dam are tested for at the same age as damane, then assuming that each was chosen around 20 years of age (16-21, but rounded for simplicity), they would likely only spend 50-60 years (we'll also round up to 60 here for simplicity) with an a'dam. Damane should live somewhere between 500 and 600 years. On average, channelers in the age of legends lived between 600 and 700, but considering that the highest we have heard of in the modern era has been 606(I believe?) during one of Elayne's comments to Nynaeve about the Kin's longevity, and considering that it wasn't uncommon in the Age of Legends for non-channellers to live between 150 and 200 years, I think that 500-600 might be an adequate number. We can just call it 560 for convenience. Assuming the numbers above, each da'mane will be leashed for approximately 540 years, while each sul'dam will only hold the leash for 60 years. This leaves us at 1 da'mane per every 9 sul'dam, assuming that the numbers were even at all times. We know, however, that they are not, and it is implied throughout the novels that there are between 4 and 5 sul'dam per da'mane. At this ratio, we can determine that there should be between 36 and 45 sul'dam born for every da'mane. However, any estimation such as this fails to take into account that the consolidation of the Seanchan empire occurred less than 200 years prior to the story. The death tolls from that would result in a population of da'mane today that would be lower than normal conditions, while the sul'dam population would be unharmed. I would redact about 10% of the sul'dam population as compensation, calling the normal ratio as existing between 32 and 41 sul'dam per da'mane.
  11. However, it is important to note that crossing the streams (balefire burning balefire) is what connected Rand and Moridin in the first place. I don't know if we can predict what can happen if the results of balefire can burn itself out of existence, because some pretty crazy stuff has occurred with it in the past. It may even be that it simply doesn't kill you, which would explain why Moridin didn't simply balefire himself and end it all. I'm not saying that the above statements are false, but I'm not sure if we can prove the validity of any argument in this case.
  12. I think that I suck and my opinions are worthless, because I am obviously missing a crucial detail/ not thinking logically/ a bloody flaming son of a goat. The books were so much better/worse than I previously stated, because I failed to take into account something. In all seriousness, though, I felt that AMOL, like every other novel in the series, had it's ups and downs. Also, I greatly enjoyed the comment that someone posted earlier about the differences between RJ and BS when it came to conversation. I thought that something seemed slightly off, but I never actually looked enough to realize that the characters' "thought commentary" was missing. Looking back, however, that does definitely detract somewhat, although I still found the battles pleasing to the senses, and I loved the scene where the people of Hinderstap are shown to be repeatedly fighting. Nice touch.
  13. It is stated, though, early in the series, that the Black Ajah knows how to force people into a circle. I believe that is TDR.
  14. They list the rules in the sidebook. I believe that one man is needed to extend the circle by 13, but then it drops down to 8, and then 6 at some point. I don't have a copy of it with me, so I know this sounds a little sketchy, but you need at least 6 men to extend the circle fully to 72, and the number of women you can add for each man drops after the first.
  15. I would really hope that RJ wouldn't leave us with: Rand saved the world, losing the ability to channel in the process... but on the plus side, he found a magical pipe, so he can still smoke whenever he wants. A little too anticlimactic for either author, in my opinion.
  16. Honestly, I think that they could have put it all together if Rand had just had a single thought relative to the wheel. If he had just said "Maybe it isn't saidar and saidin that turn the wheel. Maybe it is the One Power and the True Power." That would explain off the whole thing in a reasonable way that works with the universe. I think that all of this confusion is just based off of Brandon's inability to convey detail during the interaction. It is, of course, his fault, but RJ's notes may have said to imply it rather than state it outright.
  17. -I believe that girls can begin to develop powers between 14 and 21 years of age. It says it in The World of Robert Jordan's The Wheel of Time, and I'm pretty sure that's correct, but I am not positive. -Male channellers generally start a few years after their female counterparts (I believe 18 -26 are the officially listed ages, but again, I am unsure). -The a'dam should be removed physically with certain areas that you press against (Mat in Ebou Dar with the Sea Folk Windfinder). However, it can be removed by the power, as seen by Nynaeve in TGH. However, considering the inability of the damane to channel or touch their a'dam while wearing the collar, this method and the previous one are each unlikely to be used except by external force. Arangar also proved that the a'dam can be physically removed by a male channeller who is willing to endure the pain, so it is not deadly to a male channeller to remove it. The pain is likely just a warning, although it can be deadly if a man wears the bracelet or the collar while connected to a sul'dam.
  18. I think the male a'dam is designed to be handled by 1 or 2 women, but the backwash effect is stronger for just one woman. There are more sul'dam than damane already, so damane can be passed around the sul'dam. I was thinking the Seanchan could have a camp where they train male damane. The sul'dam who hold the male damane are switched every so often, but eventually the same women come back to holding the same male damane, in which case the backwash effect becomes cumulative. According to Mog, the control exerted over the man is weakened even if the two women attempt to work together. It decreases the reversal, but it also decreases control. Not saying that it couldn't work, but it would be an unlikely route. Also, as for the "backwash;" assuming that there are several hundred to several thousand sul'dam, and each man lives about 600 years, they should be able to distribute it so that each sul'dam would spend between one year and a few months with each man captured. I would assume that a few months would likely be little enough time, although numbers in the years would likely be a different matter (Pure Speculation) so they might be able to maintain this arrangement. It is an interesting topic though.
  19. I agree. The male a'dam flaw will be interesting. However, according to Mog, sometime in Tanchico, the flaw can be overcome by shuffling it between several women. While this wouldn't help a bunch of the Forsaken or Black Ajah (too many trust issues), with thousands of sul'dam and an almost insane level of trust in the Empire, this should be easy to implement among the Seanchan. One woman takes the leash of a man for a couple of months or a year, then hands him off to the next.
  20. Favorites From Wheel: Mat - Definitely a great character, although there were a few errors later on. Rand-Really associated strongly with him until the end of TGS. Even at the end, I could still always associate with Rand. Elyas - Who could resist a wolf who could interact so well with Tinkers. Shai'tan - A beautifully written character, who I feel deserved much more time than he was given. Elaida - Started leading the white tower in a great new direction before those traitors and their false Amyrilin arose. Renna - Got Egwene to shut up. Aginor - Dude just wanted some cute pets. It's not his fault that they tried to kill everything. Narg - He Smart. Favorites from others: Vin -Mistborn (Kind of like Min with Allomancy) Jon Snow - SIF Tyrion Lannister - SIF Tom Riddle - HP Kylar Stern - Night Angel Nathaniel - Bartimeaus
  21. I don't feel that people discuss the true nature of the DO often enough. Contrary to the perspectives of many characters, he is not necessarily evil incarnate. Evil is a perspective. Light and Dark are not. The dark one is not evil, he is just an ending. Without an end, there can be no beginning. In order for the wheel to make forward progress, there needs to be a conflict pushing it. Contrary to what was implied in the early books, it may not be Saidin and Saidar that turn the wheel, but rather the TP and the OP. I don't remember where this was stated: "He (implied Rand) who thinks he turns the Wheel of Time, may learn the truth too late." This was probably the best hint left as to the ending, and it should likely be examined thoroughly. Reflection upon the comment should inevitably lead to a reflection upon the turning of the wheel. It is apparent that the turning is attributed to the interaction between Saidin and Saidar early in the series. However, many references from early on turned out to be incorrect, and the characters in general tend to have a very limited knowledge in the area of the Shadow, and the interplay of light and dark. From the visions of a world with only Dark and a world with only light, it was instead implied that the world is turned by the interaction of the TP and OP, or perhaps the interaction between Light and Dark themselves. I hate to reference Mistborn in a WOT thread, but I feel that this would be a good time to stress a reflection in the implications between the two. In Mistborn, it is stressed that Preservation and Ruin (Think of as DO and Creator) can only create together. Preservation can sustain alone, while Ruin can only destroy. In a similar manner, while the Creator can create, and the Dark One can destroy, neither alone can preserve (sustain the wheel). The Dark One simply also has no will to keep the Wheel turning, while the Creator and his human servants do.
  22. Pay TOR more money for an extra chapter? Not likely. But I'd donate $35 to a guy with cancer for treatment. The fact that the authors are getting the word of their books around, and the fans are getting a little extra out of it just turns a win/lose scenario into a win/win/win for the Shawn, the authors, and the readers. Honestly, they could have just asked for money. They could have attempted to accumulate it themselves, but honestly, this is one of the most beautiful ways that the authors could use their talents to help out a friend in need. I can understand confusion if they were actually making a profit, but arguing it under these conditions is ridiculous. A guy is dying, and if anyone else is happier with letting him die than with this idea, I would like to volunteer them for the position. Seriously, guys. Listen to this: -If you were dying, and I could raise the money to save you, I would do the same work as a volunteer. It's not that I don't consider you a friend. I just don't feel that your life is worth me asking for money from others. You know what I mean? Sorry, man.
  23. I loved that trivia sheet, but I am pretty the answer to #9 is incorrect. Saldaea is to the west of Kandor.
  24. Honestly, Mat was the one character that always humored me. I associated more strongly with Rand until the end of TGS, but I still feel that Mat was the best written throughout the series. I might have voted for Rand before that, but I just can't see putting anyone before Mat on this list. He has my vote.
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