17 hours ago, solarz said:

The problem is that you are assuming the Dark One cares about political power.

 

No, it has been said time and again that the Dark One wants to *destroy* the Pattern. Ishamael is the Nae'blis because he is the only one among the Forsaken who understands this.

 

Or at least, that's what we're led to believe...

If he destroys the pattern, what's left there.  Plus the fact that he reset Ishmael after he died leads me to believe that he wouldn't have wanted a complete victory any more than the Light would have.  After that to quoth Bill Paxton, Game over man, game over.

On 3/6/2018 at 9:46 AM, Sabio said:

The Aiel are suppose to be the police/judges.  But there are plenty of ways wars can still happen.   Shaido and Shara aren't part of the peace and fair game.  In some vision it was mentioned an aiel with a new rifle on way to Shara (or maybe coming back) for peacekeeping operations there.  Also the world not done with battle can also mean the Seanchan taking back their homeland. I guess there is nothing stopping a civil war or saying you have to run to help (unless can be proven maybe another nation is the one stirring up the trouble).

 

Also there is now a lot of unclaimed land.  Look at the blight, will nations run to claim that or will new nations appear there.  I think it's safe Malkier will rise again and the borderlands will try to reclaim land lost from the blight.  But there is a lot of vacant space there.  So if new nations do form, they won't be bound to the Dragon's peace.  Will someone try to take over Shara, etc.  So plenty of areas for conflict to occur.

Shara is definitely going to be a problem with the future.  I think I remember where Seanchan were amazed at how easily they could break the Sharans to the a'dam so that's going to be a problem.  The Shadio, on the other hand, might not be so much of a problem since they're still in the Wastelands and I don't see them going back out.  It definitely will be an interesting first 100 years while the rest of the world figures out exactly what the Dragon's Peace will be for them.

Don't know if this is old news here at the site:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2018/03/01/wheel-of-time-and-dark-tower-tv-series-in-the-works-at-amazon

On 2/21/2018 at 2:22 PM, Wulf said:

She breaks brooms over peddlers telling stories about the Dragon. (p301, tGH)

 

In EotW, she would switch men who displeased her.  Men on the village council, I believe.

 

Nearly every 'memory' of Nynaeve is her doing violence to somebody.

 

What do the rest of you think?

i'd really encourage you to read the definition of antisocial personality disorder.  And Nynaeve deals with plenty of others without having to use violence. 

On 3/1/2018 at 10:29 AM, Maedelin said:

 

Of all three of the women in love with Rand, she was the most underutilized, and because of that, it made me think that perhaps Sanderson wasn't fond of her.  Perhaps he just didn't know how to write her.  Perhaps both.

I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one and state that more than likely we had gotten more than enough screen time with her.  If anything, I would have wondered if the other two were just booty calls compared to Min the Love of Rand's Life had they not been brought up more in the ending in relation to Rand.  And downright hate?  No, I don't think so or it would have come in more clearly and I think Harriet wouldn't have wanted anything like that

On 2/13/2018 at 3:00 PM, Wulf said:

 

I mean, he didn't have the knowledge of Lews Therin guiding him to any inexplicable feats of wonder.  He swung a flaming sword at an undefended garden hose (of eeeevil).

 

I get where you're going with this, but Rand/Lews could have had some innate knowledge of the power.  He energized Bela and managed to pull a ship boom around rather early in the book.  Doing a Forsaken who thought he was still an untrained kid was well within his range.  Oh, and he technically only got one down with the other being a less violent suicide bomber and Ishmael stung but not really hurt that much.

5 hours ago, Sabio said:

RJ did confirm they were DF's.   Their surprise is understandable since the point was to approach him all friendly like so he would lower his guard, then strike.  So when he struck first they weren't prepared for that.  I guess there was a risk these were just innocent people, but I assume to Rand it was unlikely this lady and her guards would be traveling that late at night in the Murandian Hills without a very good reason.  Most people would of found camp long ago and not risked traveling in the wilderness at night.  Also it would seem rather inefficient to have a gray man just riding in a caravan in the slim hope these people stumbled upon Rand.  

 

Sadly the incident is left out of Rand's section in the companion.  So there is no way to know why he assumed the lady was the most dangerous.

2nded.  It's possible they were innocent, but I'm going with highly unlikely.  And if his madness was setting in that early, we would have heard about other incidents since then.  More than likely he was suffering from a combination of tiredness and over alertness (not to mention outright depression as realizing he was the boogyman of the world)

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"The lion sword, the dedicated spear, she who sees beyond. Three on the boat, and he who is dead yet lives. The great battle done, but the world not done with battle. The land divided by the return, and the guardians balance the servants. The future teeters on the edge of a blade."

Okay, so I was reading over at the wikia about the Dragon's Peace barring any sort of conflict and I'm wondering if that's a mass simplification of what it really did, which was to bar any conflict between nations.  If you believe Nicola's prophecy then the wikia's description is also off.  Could a nation go to civil war without violating the treaty so long as both sides did not involve other nations?

I'd also like to point out another flaw in the Peace, namely that it does not provide for an alternative means by which sides can resolve their conflict short of war.    I think this would have been a great place to write the Tinkers in as the judges, but maybe that happens later on.

On 2/28/2018 at 3:46 PM, BFG said:

That's a fun question lol 

 

Obviously the futures up in the air, but Elayne is no longer Queen in Aviendhas granddaughters lifespan, so in that version of the future she's missing or dead or retired early for some reason

True, though that means that at least one of her children had half her lifespan. 

2 hours ago, Durzan said:

In my WoT: The 4th Age DnD Campaign Setting, I solved this problem by having the Black Tower be relocated to Caemlyn. The Black Tower (the building) was built in the former ruins of the Palace of Andor.

 

Why did Elayne allow this? Well, she's the ruler of TWO kingdoms (Andor and Cairehein), and since her capitol city was destroyed in TLB, she thought it a perfect opportunity to establish a new Capitol on the Border between the two kingdoms. Having one city in one kingdom be the capitol for both nations is kinda impractical; After all, she doesn't want to show favoritism to her subjects in either kingdom.

 

 

She doesn't need to relocate the capitol.  Caemlyn is close enough that natural population growth would cause the two to merge anyway.  It wouldn't happen right away, but it would happen.  You do bring up another interesting point, though.  The Dragon's peace forbids marriages between ruling lines without separate and strict lines of inheritance, which makes her rule of both countries as a violation of the spirit if not the exact letter of that treaty.

1 hour ago, bitgid said:

As to the future, it does seem like no matter what the leaders of the two Towers may wish, they're inevitably bound to each other. There's a good number of Aes Sedai who respect the Asha'man and their Tower, and a good number of Asha'man who respect the Aes Sedai and their Tower. Plus, they fought together in the greatest channeling battle of the Age, and though never directly, worked together to break the Seals at the exact right time to let the DR do his thing. All said, I'm liking the idea of a Grey Tower more and more.

Regards Bitgid

I don't think anybody denies that the towers will eventually be united, that much is clear.  It's how and when they are united, and I'm thinking that it's gonna be a very slow process.  The Asha'man have to relearn what it means to be male channellers on their own, and the Aes Sedai have to learn what it means to have male channellers they aren't actively gentling as well.  I wouldn't even discount the idea of a "Grey Tower" as an unofficial melding of Aes Sedai and Asha'man at this point, but I don't think anything major toward unifying them is going to happen short of the ending of the fourth age.

7 hours ago, Sabio said:

Well if Tuon keeps her word and gives channelers a choice to be collared or go to the WT.  It could be the Seanchan run out of damane.  Since it seems like most Randland women would run for safety over willingly being collared.  The issue is Rand never made a deal about men who can channel, will the seanchan kill them, try to find a way to collar them, or let them go to the BT.

 

Shaido have made a blood feud with every other Aiel clan, if a fight breaks out the Shaido are going to get squashed.  Especially will all the defats they have experienced.  Though oddly they never seem to be real low on numbers.  They also aren't part of the dragon's peace, so like Shara, they are fair game for anyone to attack.

 

With as mistrustful as Logain is of Aes Sedai, I couldn't see him merging with Andor.  I could sort of an agreement to help Andor if it's in need.  

 Shaido also have the potential to really mess with the agreement given people's misunderstanding about the differences between Aiel.  And The Tower is approximately eight miles south from Caemlyn as I recall merging is pretty much an inevitability at least geographically.  The only question is whether it is treated as an embassy or as a functional part of the Caemlyn government.

So Elayne's potential lifespan I've read has been estimated at 300 years.  Given that she's not guaranteed to have children that will channel as strongly as she, how does that work out for her potential heirs.  To put that in comparison. Prince Charles is 69 years old and people keep talking about how he should step aside for William.  Now imagine a little less than 4 Charles and one William (or I guess Camilla and Kate if you want Gender correct).  That's gonna be a lot of royals waiting around and doing nothing.  Does she retire at some point?

1.  I'm thinking Caemlyn and the Black Tower merge in a sort of Rome and the Holy See type way (i.e. it's not really a nation even if it is all but technically recognized as such).  Andor pulls slightly away from the White Tower and toward the Black The Black and White Tower work out some sort of Compact of Raven and Swan that dictates who defers to whom in what matters.  It's not perfect but it's a start.  

2.  The Aiel manage a peace with the Seanchan but still have the issue with the Shadio, and Creator knows where that ends up (do the Shadio end up becoming a sort of Jenn Aiel again).  They have to balance both the Dragon's Peace with their own dislike of the a'dam (which I think will need to be broken somehow, perhaps by Artur Hawkwing reborn in some manner).

3.  There will be a battle over the damane and the a'dam.  I don't believe it will technically violate the Dragon's Peace, but there will be a battle of some sort.  And again, Hawkwing is going to be part of it in some way shape or form given that Rand's off on his little vacay.

On 2/14/2014 at 1:30 PM, Matt's Pink Lace said:

would explain all his traveling and random Noeledge ( ) 

 

 

Androl is one of my favorite characters though. I actually really enjoyed the in-depth look we finally received about the black tower. I don't think he outshines Logain as some might say, Logain is the clear leader of the tower, Androl being his second in command kinda? 

 

the bond him and Pevara shared was also awesome, and very Age of Legends like in my mind. I don't care if it was sanderson or RJ, to me it fit with the overall theme and message of the book, to have the two of them to have that connection, and fall for each other as well

Logain seems to be a great character to expand on in an outrigger series given his PTSD with the tower.

On 12/29/2013 at 9:37 PM, PhantomSoul said:

I liked Androl, and in the end he was one of my favorite characters. Maybe it's because he was a BS creation - he did kind of seem to have a much more contemporary personality, now that it's mentioned. I really do wish there was more on him...

 

That being said, I have to admit that I didn't really see that coming. I always thought Logain would rise to be the hero of the Asha'man and Black Tower...

He's my favorite character too, largely because of the whole lava "you're too much of a good dick to be trusted with that much of the Power" scene.

3 minutes ago, Mrs. Cindy Gill said:

Not a fan of the confederacy and unable to transfer the scene into my feelings about the books. Also looked like a long time killer of a scene that meant nothing good to me so. Ya. 

That kinda fits into what I think of the final Dragon's Peace. It's more of a compromise of the Constitution than an international peace.

On 11/3/2017 at 9:15 AM, BFG said:

It's not actually the destruction, to an extent that's expected with battle, it's the 'kneel or you will be knelt'. As a line it changes everything, but the implications are disturbing

  Well, they're disturbing given who is saying it at the time (Mazrim Taim).

Let's remember two things:  one, the Salidar AS brought more members than were agreed to.  Also, as Rand said, he did promise that they would be on "equal footing" with the Tower AS.  If the Aes Sedai can twist around words to manipulate people, why can't he.

Second, just because the Salidar AS weren't the Tower AS didn't mean that they couldn't do him or his plans harm down the road.  This way, while not the "best', at least allows him to trust them far enough to be able to let them on his side.

On 1/12/2018 at 12:54 PM, Werthead said:

Because they can't stop the actors ageing? That's going to be a problem for WoT. In fact, even moreso. It's possible to very likely that the show will have 18 month gaps between seasons assuming a high production quality. Assuming 7 seasons, it'll possibly take 10-11 years to get the show done. So any actors they start with in their late teens or early twenties will be in the late twenties or early thirties by the time it's done. There's no realistic way around that.

We're talking about a series where magic is possible.  And as a counterpoint: NCIS.