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  1. i don't agree. It didn't happen just like that. For a very long time Rand struggled with his feelings and tried to justify them. Elayne, Min and Aviendha had arguments. They did discuss it. Each one fought her own insecurities concerning Rand' love not being only hers. And this went for a long time. This is the other major problem with the whole foursome deal. Not only it's implausible, it's pointless. It doesn't really affects the plot or changes the characters much in terms of personality. And of all people in Randland, Elayne should be the last one to accept such an arrangement. She's the most eligible single woman on the continent, has to think about the prestige and dignity of her position, the customs of Andor are prudish compared to most everywhere else...just doesn't make sense. This is a major concern and event for the four so it isn't possible not to change them. Remember that in TOM Rand said something like ( I can't quote it exactly) : I am who I am because of..." and he said names of people who changed his life. Among the names were those of the three girls. For the wining of the last battle the mental state of Rand was pretty essential so you can't say that it didn't affect the plot. Yes, but surely he mentions OTHER events and people in that quote. (haven't read TOM) It affected the plot, but it wasn't something that NEEDED to happen in order to do so. You could've had a standard romance with one of them and a deep caring for the other two and still have it mean as much to him in that quote. Take as a contrast something else like Perrin's wolf powers. You couldn't just change that with something else and have it offer the same impact. Masses of other things would need to be changed. You'd lose major scenes of development and doubt. Also, going on about the same things endlessly is not discussing something. and eventually they just get over it and start liking each other. Nothing is developed or advanced It's true. We all agree that it's weird and it would have been better if he loved only one. Only Robert Jordan knew why he did it that way.
  2. i don't agree. It didn't happen just like that. For a very long time Rand struggled with his feelings and tried to justify them. Elayne, Min and Aviendha had arguments. They did discuss it. Each one fought her own insecurities concerning Rand' love not being only hers. And this went for a long time. This is the other major problem with the whole foursome deal. Not only it's implausible, it's pointless. It doesn't really affects the plot or changes the characters much in terms of personality. And of all people in Randland, Elayne should be the last one to accept such an arrangement. She's the most eligible single woman on the continent, has to think about the prestige and dignity of her position, the customs of Andor are prudish compared to most everywhere else...just doesn't make sense. This is a major concern and event for the four so it isn't possible not to change them. Remember that in TOM Rand said something like ( I can't quote it exactly) : I am who I am because of..." and he said names of people who changed his life. Among the names were those of the three girls. For the wining of the last battle the mental state of Rand was pretty essential so you can't say that it didn't affect the plot.
  3. For us it's strange. No matter how hard we try, we won't understand it, but it's true that these cases are reality in some parts of the world. But Rand himself is half Aiel, so it's in his veins. Aviendha is Aiel too. It is more natural for them. Tough we can bring up that Rand didn't grew up among the Aiel. I'm not saying he loves three women because of his origin. I mean that it's easier to be accepted knowing it is tradition among his people. It is harder to imagine in this position Min and especially the proud Elayne who on cultural level are entirely opposite. But i think i can explain it that way: Rand is in love with all three, so his heart isn't rejecting this thing like impossible. Only his reason. It is natural for a person to love someone who is like them, so Elayne, Min and Avi accept it because they are like him. All four of them are soul mates. And it is true that in romantic sense the idea of one man and three women is absurd but it's valuable by its intriguing nature. I mean it makes us think, discuss and relate it with precedents in real life, so we try to understand better the ones different from us.
  4. To be honest, I think this isn't possible in real life. As for the book the 3 girls had a really hard time at the start. Even in TGS it was still a problem. I personally think that it would make more sense if Rand loved only one woman and the story would be much stronger. He could have stayed in love with Egwene. Or despite his strong feelings about the three, to had chosen only one of them. But the author had to have a reason to do it the way he did so i can accept it. :)
  5. I liked what you wrote.. It is very insightful and also true. You made me think of Mat's boots analogy. I don't know if you remember it. :)
  6. The first book i had to wait for was "The Gathering Storm".
  7. Women: Nynaeve - For the reasons ratswot has pointed out. Moiraine, Elayne, Aviendha, Min and many others. And Faile too. Seriously. I think Faile is a good wife The only one i think might had have a problem with being a wife is Egwene. As much as i love her, i can't say i like her attitude to Gawin. Tough i understand her reasons. Men: Mat, Lan and Rand. Especially Rand. He is a sweetie. Elayne, Avi and Min really nailed it. He is great. And Nyn too. Can you imagine a better man than Lan? He is a warrior but has the soul of a poet. Some of the things he has said were very romantic., .
  8. You are right. Especially for Nyn, She is one of my two favorite female characters and definitely has the most exiting story of all WOT women. I wish she had more POVs too. The reason many important, interesting characters have so many little POVs is because it's really big cast and the author can't give them all the proper amount of it. I guess it would be harder to follow if he did. .
  9. Offend me? You gave me a good laugh! How can I be offended? :-) I hear what you're saying. Time does change our perspective. When I was in highschool I never appreciated Shakespeare. I've been listening to Shakespeare audiobooks and they're brilliant. Like wise I was a big LOTR fan as a kid. I read that book a number of times but reading it again as an adult did not have the same appeal. Now YOU gave me a good laugh. You reminded me how as a child i adored mexican soap operas. I'm talking about age 11-12. I even watched "The Bold And The Beautiful". Now i am like: What was i thinking then?" As for LOTR i know it's a classic but not enough gloomy for me. I like fantasy like The Wheel. More complex and with more stuff going on.
  10. LOL! This cracked me up! This is akin to one going to a restaurant and not particularly enjoying a meal. When asked how the meal was you mention your lack of satisfaction at which point the Chef says the problem lies with you! I never said TWOT was only for young adults. I'm sorry. It turned out wrong. I didn't mean to offend you. I only meant that everybody has a different taste and a story which may seem cheap or too simple to someone, might be very deep to others. When i was younger i taught that some of the books i had read were really boring but years later i saw them on a whole new level. Sometimes time changes our perspective. :)
  11. LOL! You gotta read the series for what it is. Remember TWOT is essentially for young adults. Yes, I would have liked more depth and maturity in the characters but that would have taken it away from the younger core audienceI I don't think it's only for young adults and there is plenty of depth. The depth doesn't come only from what's in the book but from the reader also. Sometimes the problem isn't in the book.
  12. Well, I personally like Egwene despite her flaws, but not everybody is obliged to agree with me. Everyone has their own opinion and it' all right as long as they say it right. For example "I don't like Egwene because...." you say whatever the reason you have. But sentences like "Egwene is a bitch. She's a cow and i want her to die in flames" is entirely different matter. This isn't opinion. It's an insult. It is really venomous and unpleasant and it can be really overwhelming. This should be civilized discussion, but people like that just don't get it. And as for likeable and unlikeable characters that is what is interesting in WOT. It wouldn't be interesting is it was only "the good guy" and "the bad guy". People are complex. Otherwise the story would be too simple.
  13. Oh, i see your point. I have spent a lot of money on books that eventually didn't turn out to be that good and of course i regretted but nothing more. What bugs me is that some people hate characters from a book with the fervor they would hate real people. I can totally understand the emotional attachment to some hero or heroine. It is great. I have felt it many times. Otherwise it wouldn't be exiting for me. But i have never gone to hate. If i love a character, then i love them and it's epic. If i don't like them, it's not painful or irritating. I just read what i like and don't waste time on hate-treads, offending the ones who actually like them. I have nothing against criticism if it's expressed in a proper, mature way. Otherwise it's weird.
  14. Well, i don't mean to insult anyone, but I want to ask how is it possible to be irritated with fictional characters? They couldn't possibly do anything to you to have such an anger towards them. What is the point to waste precious time on hate-tread? The characters are flawed because it wouldn't be interesting otherwise. Where would be the intrigue? I can't imagine them just to sit ant nit all day. Not to mention that some of their traits and words are totally put out of context and taken way too seriously. Some of the most criticized things are written with the intention of being funny. It's only a book. Don't forget it.
  15. Oh, yes. I am on a re-read now and few days ago i finished "The Great Hunt". It's surprising how with every re-read you discover something new. In a way this was Rand's biggest victory, because he defeated one of the strongest Forsaken without any experience. In the later books he was tougher and more experienced but then he was just a boy. Oh yes, that was good! The battle at Dumai's Wells is what cemented Perrin as my favorite, I think. I could just SEE the forces led by Perrin running through the grass, and the wolves rushing out all as one, and slamming into the Aiel. It was a perfect scene to me. As for Perrin, i liked him since the beginning. He's always seemed to me like the most level-headed and cool-tempered of the three boys. He is humble, feels awkward most of the time and doesn't see himself as a hero, but he is :) And i think he is the only one who began new life, but didn't break all bonds with Two Rivers. Remember TSR. :) For me that was his first really big, heroic moment.
  16. Yes. You are right. We have one thing after another to sustain our interest and the story becomes stronger with every book. The pace is unbelievable. Even the much criticized 7-10 were pure gold to me. I am not only for action, battles and huge changes. I love the quiet moments, the small stuff. the conversations. :)
  17. Yes. That is an example of what i appreciate in R. Jordan's writing. You can say that some of his ideas aren't all that new ( like the poor boy, who turns out to be the savior of the world, gains wealth and power, becomes weapon master, falls in love with a beautiful princess) but they are written in a whole new way with so much original stuff we have never seen. The Fades and trollocs are only part of them :) It is not only what you write about. It is the way you write it. The mere emotional depth is that grabs me. Everything is so unpredictable and gives so much to the reader. I can say that the Wheel of Time was what made me love fantasy. Before that i knew only "Sword of the Truth" and it was fine but The Wheel of Time made me see the genre on a whole new level. It was so much better! :)
  18. Which was the moment you knew that this is a great fantasy and you didn't want to leave it? What was the thing that made you to go on and to want more and more of these wonderful series? Was it a person or Aies Sedai and the White Tower? Or maybe The One Power? Or was it some of the villains? Mine was in book 1 when Nynaeve found the Rand and the others after they had left. Then it was sure that she was going to be a major character and i was hooked. Mostly because i am a huge Nynaeve fan :) When i finished the book i was most exited for the fates of Rand, Lan and Nynaeve. I would love for you to share with me your opinions and first impressions of the series :)
  19. I was 15, so it must have been 2005-2006 :) 7 years of wonderful journey. By that time they were out to 11 and i read them for 1 year. It is unforgettable. :) One of the best times i had :) I still remember haw from the first scene when Nynaeve appears when it's not even sure yet if she was going to be a major character, i totally loved her. Love at first sight. Ha-ha :) I was disappointed when all the Emond fielders left without her, then she joined them and from there on i absolutely fell in love with the books and not only because of Nynaeve :)
  20. I have many favorites. I just can't pick one. Rand is the heart of the tale, so i voted for him, but there is so much more. The ones i love absolutely and the most are: Men: Rand, Mat, Perrin, Lan and Loial ( the cutest and one of the funniest characters) Women: Without a doubt Egwene Al-Vere and Nynaeve Al-Meara. Their characters are really moving and most complex of the female ones. :) The second place goes to Moiraine, Aviendha and Elayne :) It's hard not to love the WOT characters. Every one of them, good or bad, is unique and the series wouldn't be the same if even one of them was left out. For most interesting forsaken i chose Ishamael and Lanfear. I have always madly enjoyed well-written, dark and intricate villains. :)
  21. They are too many for me to write them all. I'll just write the scenes from the " Towers Of Midnight" 1.Egwene defeats Mesaana. 2.Rand and Nynaeve separation in Chapter 15. I cried after i was done with it. 3.The rescue of Moiraine. 4." Storm Of Light" and when Rand called himself Rand Sedai. It was Great! 5.Nynaeve's testing. I was seriously pissed and scared when i read that, because it was very brutal but it's still one of the most powerful moments in the book.
  22. I adore Egwene and i think that people who trash her just don't have anything better to do. I also dislike some of the WOT characters but i never insult them because i don't want to offend their fans. Egwene in ubelievable! She is one of the brightest women in the books. She is my favourate along with Nynaeve, Elayne, Moiraine and Aviendha. Egwene is a leader. I love her because she's beautiful, smart and ambitious, but goodhearted too. I admit she has negatives, but most of the characters have. And besides when i put myself in her shoes i really can fathom why she did some of the mistakes she did.
  23. New Spring: Moiraine's testing, Moiraine bonding Lan The Eye Of The World: When Perrin finds out about the wolf within him; Lan & Nynaeve when she admits to him she loves him; The final battle with Aginor and Baltamel. The Great Hunt: Nynaeve's testing for Accepted; The moment with Lan, Nynaeve and The Ring; The rescue of Egwene from the Seanchan; The blow of The Horn ; All events that happend in Falme. The Dragon Reborn: Egwene's testing; Mat acting like a hero, wanting to save the girls; Tear; Moiraine defeats Belaal; Rand slays Ishamael The Shadow Rising: Rand and Aviendha moments; Rand sees the past of the Aiel; Nynaeve defeats Moghedien ; Perrin and Faile defend the Two Rivers and Perrin giving himself to The Whiteclocks to protect the others. The Fires Of Heaven: "Far Snow"; Nynaeve and Valan Luka's proposal :biggrin:; Birgitte saving Nyn from Moghedien and Elayne making her her Warder; Nyn nad Galad's meeting; Mat leads the nobles versus Shaido and killing Kuladin ; Nynaeve defeats Moghedien ; Moiraine defeats Lanfear and her death; Nynaeve helping Rand in TAR and Rand telling her he and Lan are too dangerous for her and Elayne. Lord Of Chaos: Egwene Amyrlin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ; Nynaeve and Elayne become Aies Sedai; Nyn kicks Mat! Priceless ; Dumai's Wells Crown Of Swords: Lan saves Nyaneve from Moghedien and their marriage; Egwene proves she's Great Amyrlin; Mat saves Elayne and Nynaeve from the gholam.; Rand defeats Samael Path Of Daggers: Elayne coming back to Andor and claiming her love for Rand; " A Cup Of Sleep" ; Egwene declares war to Elaida. Winter's Heart: Mat meets Tuon for the first time; Cleansing of saidin Crossroads Of Twilight: Mat and Tuon; All with Egwene Knife Of Dreams: Mat and Tuon marriage; Egwene and her one great chapter; Perrin finally gets Faile back; Mat fonds out Moiraine is alive; The whole "Golden Crane" chapter. Nynaeve was awesome with the Malkieri. ; Rand capturing Semirage The Gathering Storm: Egwene's defense of th White Tower and her official acceptance from all Aies Sedai. Finally!!!; Rand and Nyn meet The Daughter Of The Nine Moons and Nynaeve defenses Mat. 'All Rand-Nynaeve moments; Rand on the Dragon Mount and his epiphany. Towers Of Midnight; Lan riding with the borderlanders; Perrin killing The Slayer; Nynaeve and Rand saying goodbye to each other and their hug; Nynaeve;s testing. The way she stood to Aies Sedai who wonted her to fail and die, was awesome.' Nynaeve taking the bond of Lan from Mirele.; Egwene defeats Mesaana and bonding Gawin ; Rand in "Storm Of Light" ; Moiraine's rescue nad her telling Tom she loves him. Sorry if it's too long!
  24. Hi! :) I don't know if this counts but i totally love the Rand-Nyn moment at "Towers Of Midnight". It was one of the most emotional moments in the whole series. I actually cried when she hugged him. Very powerful! Also Egwene and Moiraine's talk by the fire when she was teaching her about the One Power ("The Eye Of The World") Every moment with Rand and Avi together.
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