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  1. i don't agree. It didn't happen just like that. For a very long time Rand struggled with his feelings and tried to justify them. Elayne, Min and Aviendha had arguments. They did discuss it. Each one fought her own insecurities concerning Rand' love not being only hers. And this went for a long time. This is the other major problem with the whole foursome deal. Not only it's implausible, it's pointless. It doesn't really affects the plot or changes the characters much in terms of personality. And of all people in Randland, Elayne should be the last one to accept such an arrangement. She's the most eligible single woman on the continent, has to think about the prestige and dignity of her position, the customs of Andor are prudish compared to most everywhere else...just doesn't make sense. This is a major concern and event for the four so it isn't possible not to change them. Remember that in TOM Rand said something like ( I can't quote it exactly) : I am who I am because of..." and he said names of people who changed his life. Among the names were those of the three girls. For the wining of the last battle the mental state of Rand was pretty essential so you can't say that it didn't affect the plot. Yes, but surely he mentions OTHER events and people in that quote. (haven't read TOM) It affected the plot, but it wasn't something that NEEDED to happen in order to do so. You could've had a standard romance with one of them and a deep caring for the other two and still have it mean as much to him in that quote. Take as a contrast something else like Perrin's wolf powers. You couldn't just change that with something else and have it offer the same impact. Masses of other things would need to be changed. You'd lose major scenes of development and doubt. Also, going on about the same things endlessly is not discussing something. and eventually they just get over it and start liking each other. Nothing is developed or advanced It's true. We all agree that it's weird and it would have been better if he loved only one. Only Robert Jordan knew why he did it that way.
  2. i don't agree. It didn't happen just like that. For a very long time Rand struggled with his feelings and tried to justify them. Elayne, Min and Aviendha had arguments. They did discuss it. Each one fought her own insecurities concerning Rand' love not being only hers. And this went for a long time. This is the other major problem with the whole foursome deal. Not only it's implausible, it's pointless. It doesn't really affects the plot or changes the characters much in terms of personality. And of all people in Randland, Elayne should be the last one to accept such an arrangement. She's the most eligible single woman on the continent, has to think about the prestige and dignity of her position, the customs of Andor are prudish compared to most everywhere else...just doesn't make sense. This is a major concern and event for the four so it isn't possible not to change them. Remember that in TOM Rand said something like ( I can't quote it exactly) : I am who I am because of..." and he said names of people who changed his life. Among the names were those of the three girls. For the wining of the last battle the mental state of Rand was pretty essential so you can't say that it didn't affect the plot.
  3. For us it's strange. No matter how hard we try, we won't understand it, but it's true that these cases are reality in some parts of the world. But Rand himself is half Aiel, so it's in his veins. Aviendha is Aiel too. It is more natural for them. Tough we can bring up that Rand didn't grew up among the Aiel. I'm not saying he loves three women because of his origin. I mean that it's easier to be accepted knowing it is tradition among his people. It is harder to imagine in this position Min and especially the proud Elayne who on cultural level are entirely opposite. But i think i can explain it that way: Rand is in love with all three, so his heart isn't rejecting this thing like impossible. Only his reason. It is natural for a person to love someone who is like them, so Elayne, Min and Avi accept it because they are like him. All four of them are soul mates. And it is true that in romantic sense the idea of one man and three women is absurd but it's valuable by its intriguing nature. I mean it makes us think, discuss and relate it with precedents in real life, so we try to understand better the ones different from us.
  4. To be honest, I think this isn't possible in real life. As for the book the 3 girls had a really hard time at the start. Even in TGS it was still a problem. I personally think that it would make more sense if Rand loved only one woman and the story would be much stronger. He could have stayed in love with Egwene. Or despite his strong feelings about the three, to had chosen only one of them. But the author had to have a reason to do it the way he did so i can accept it. :)
  5. I liked what you wrote.. It is very insightful and also true. You made me think of Mat's boots analogy. I don't know if you remember it. :)
  6. The first book i had to wait for was "The Gathering Storm".
  7. Women: Nynaeve - For the reasons ratswot has pointed out. Moiraine, Elayne, Aviendha, Min and many others. And Faile too. Seriously. I think Faile is a good wife The only one i think might had have a problem with being a wife is Egwene. As much as i love her, i can't say i like her attitude to Gawin. Tough i understand her reasons. Men: Mat, Lan and Rand. Especially Rand. He is a sweetie. Elayne, Avi and Min really nailed it. He is great. And Nyn too. Can you imagine a better man than Lan? He is a warrior but has the soul of a poet. Some of the things he has said were very romantic., .
  8. You are right. Especially for Nyn, She is one of my two favorite female characters and definitely has the most exiting story of all WOT women. I wish she had more POVs too. The reason many important, interesting characters have so many little POVs is because it's really big cast and the author can't give them all the proper amount of it. I guess it would be harder to follow if he did. .
  9. Offend me? You gave me a good laugh! How can I be offended? :-) I hear what you're saying. Time does change our perspective. When I was in highschool I never appreciated Shakespeare. I've been listening to Shakespeare audiobooks and they're brilliant. Like wise I was a big LOTR fan as a kid. I read that book a number of times but reading it again as an adult did not have the same appeal. Now YOU gave me a good laugh. You reminded me how as a child i adored mexican soap operas. I'm talking about age 11-12. I even watched "The Bold And The Beautiful". Now i am like: What was i thinking then?" As for LOTR i know it's a classic but not enough gloomy for me. I like fantasy like The Wheel. More complex and with more stuff going on.
  10. LOL! This cracked me up! This is akin to one going to a restaurant and not particularly enjoying a meal. When asked how the meal was you mention your lack of satisfaction at which point the Chef says the problem lies with you! I never said TWOT was only for young adults. I'm sorry. It turned out wrong. I didn't mean to offend you. I only meant that everybody has a different taste and a story which may seem cheap or too simple to someone, might be very deep to others. When i was younger i taught that some of the books i had read were really boring but years later i saw them on a whole new level. Sometimes time changes our perspective. :)
  11. LOL! You gotta read the series for what it is. Remember TWOT is essentially for young adults. Yes, I would have liked more depth and maturity in the characters but that would have taken it away from the younger core audienceI I don't think it's only for young adults and there is plenty of depth. The depth doesn't come only from what's in the book but from the reader also. Sometimes the problem isn't in the book.
  12. Well, I personally like Egwene despite her flaws, but not everybody is obliged to agree with me. Everyone has their own opinion and it' all right as long as they say it right. For example "I don't like Egwene because...." you say whatever the reason you have. But sentences like "Egwene is a bitch. She's a cow and i want her to die in flames" is entirely different matter. This isn't opinion. It's an insult. It is really venomous and unpleasant and it can be really overwhelming. This should be civilized discussion, but people like that just don't get it. And as for likeable and unlikeable characters that is what is interesting in WOT. It wouldn't be interesting is it was only "the good guy" and "the bad guy". People are complex. Otherwise the story would be too simple.
  13. Oh, i see your point. I have spent a lot of money on books that eventually didn't turn out to be that good and of course i regretted but nothing more. What bugs me is that some people hate characters from a book with the fervor they would hate real people. I can totally understand the emotional attachment to some hero or heroine. It is great. I have felt it many times. Otherwise it wouldn't be exiting for me. But i have never gone to hate. If i love a character, then i love them and it's epic. If i don't like them, it's not painful or irritating. I just read what i like and don't waste time on hate-treads, offending the ones who actually like them. I have nothing against criticism if it's expressed in a proper, mature way. Otherwise it's weird.
  14. Well, i don't mean to insult anyone, but I want to ask how is it possible to be irritated with fictional characters? They couldn't possibly do anything to you to have such an anger towards them. What is the point to waste precious time on hate-tread? The characters are flawed because it wouldn't be interesting otherwise. Where would be the intrigue? I can't imagine them just to sit ant nit all day. Not to mention that some of their traits and words are totally put out of context and taken way too seriously. Some of the most criticized things are written with the intention of being funny. It's only a book. Don't forget it.
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