No, I just got into it with Darthe in my second game and then said some things to him in a PM that I shouldn't have, and so since then, I have tried to be careful not to get into a back and forth, and Niniel had even warned us all in the rules that she would have a low tolerance for it, so I'm trying to just respond to his points and not his lol #hashtags. I feel like I have answered everything for him, and his vote seems to be entirely about a lol comment to DJ, so I'm moving forward.

 

I feel exactly the same about the Broncos. Those are good observations! I thought they should have taken a lineman, either a DEcto replace Malik or an O lineman to replace anyone, but they traded up for Lynch, and so far, I don't see much future for him.

 

 

You gotta work on your quote game man hahaha :P

 

And ok that's fair, makes sense for now.

 

And thanks!! Yup, I agree there, I think that they got back on the right route this year by drafting Garrett Bolles.  And agreed, they need to shore up their interior, because only player I like there right now is Derek Wolfe.  Even their new NT, Domata Peko I don't feel too good about, so I wouldn't be surprised if their run defense woes continue onto this season.

 

Hahaha It's so hard to do this on my phone! I don't trim well even on a PC, but doing quotes on the phone really challenges me. 

 

You seem to know the Broncos quite well. I think that if Peko doesn't wear out, he will be fine. So far, he looks good. If we can get 20 snaps a game out of him, I think Kerr can handle the rest. He seems big enough to spell Peko inside. 

 

Ahh gotcha, yeah mobile trimming is definitely a little bit of a challenge, always takes me some time to make sure I got the right opening and closing tags matched up.

And RIP haha, I spend way too much time looking at NFL stuff in general, thanks though, I know about Peko specifically because I was analyzing the contracts that he and Sly Williams got and thought that they weren't worth it for the level of play they had in 2016, as both had down years relative to their normal play.  The thing about Peko to me is that although he's had a little bit of name recognition, he's never really been that good for the past several years.  I use BR's scouting projects and PFF's grades from the past two years to get an idea of how a player's been in the past, and Peko's graded out poorly in the last two years via PFF, and BR's scouting projects haven't even had them in their top ~50 defensive tackles since 2013, where he still wasn't top 50, he was just placed 59th.  However, that being said, he was a NT before, but in a 4-3 scheme, so idk if switching to 3-4 will be the scheme change he needs, or the environment change.  He had good teammates in Dunlap and Atkins, but you simply can't match the kind of support on the line/edge you get when you have Von Miller/Derek Wolfe/Shane Ray/Shaq Barrett/DeMarcus Lawrence all around you.  How has he looked this preseason? I haven't been able to really follow the Broncos this preseason, other than to hear whats happening with the QB battle.

I dont have much experience with SK or most of the players really. Last game as scum he was very measured in his posts and overall neuteral in tone. He posted in small bursts and it was usually pretty logical overall. He was going with middle of the road approach and it worked for him.

 

This game he seems less concerned with how he comes across so far and there's a bit of sas to his tone. I feel like he's more engaged and he's in plain sight. So he's either very capable and switching things up to avoid meta detection... or he could just be town this game.

 

I'm not familiar enough to determine much atp but he does seem like a capable player. Reminds me a little bit of clov. And as such i rather observe him for a while and take my time. But right now he's not on the table for me.

This is a good point about SK, he's definitely off his meta from last game as mafia.  How much experience does SK have again?  I'm curious if he's experienced enough to change up his meta like that.

Okay, Niniel said at the beginning that the characters and the flavor really have nothing to do with the game, that any character could be town or scum, so I don't see the point in claiming, and I really don't see the point in counter-claiming, but I'm interested in seeing which one is lying over nothing. Unless neither one is Sammael.

I thought about the neither one is Sammael possibility, but it seems very unlikely.  And you don't see the point in counter claiming? You catch someone in a lie, given that you're telling the truth obviously.

I'm very interested in how we have a direct cc, but we don't have any votes from you or Nyn after the reveal.  I would mention DJ too, but she obviously hadn't read anything and was going to reread (unless that's just what she wanted us to think)

I counter claim sammael.

 

@Randal i did not see any question I was to focused on ben.

 

@Lessa let me get on my laptop and answer you.

 

[v] unvote [/v]

[v] LZM [/v]

 

I'll post my reads on the other people so far.

Then that's something you need to work on SK, especially if you're going to tunnel on ben that hard, at least take the time to read the posts he quotes (because he quoted me asking a question to him).

That being said, I had both of you as scum reads, but I'll believe the guy who CCs because that'd be a very weird move for scum to do.  So [v]LZM[/v]

Thom Merrilin

Sounds forced in what way? Or are you saying Ben wasn't trying to change the subject? Talk to me dood.

I don't think he was trying to change the subject, I responded directly to him and asked him a question, and he answered it.

 

No, I just got into it with Darthe in my second game and then said some things to him in a PM that I shouldn't have, and so since then, I have tried to be careful not to get into a back and forth, and Niniel had even warned us all in the rules that she would have a low tolerance for it, so I'm trying to just respond to his points and not his lol #hashtags. I feel like I have answered everything for him, and his vote seems to be entirely about a lol comment to DJ, so I'm moving forward.

 

I feel exactly the same about the Broncos. Those are good observations! I thought they should have taken a lineman, either a DEcto replace Malik or an O lineman to replace anyone, but they traded up for Lynch, and so far, I don't see much future for him.

 

You gotta work on your quote game man hahaha :P

And ok that's fair, makes sense for now.

And thanks!! Yup, I agree there, I think that they got back on the right route this year by drafting Garrett Bolles.  And agreed, they need to shore up their interior, because only player I like there right now is Derek Wolfe.  Even their new NT, Domata Peko I don't feel too good about, so I wouldn't be surprised if their run defense woes continue onto this season.

I am here. For now.

 

Nothing I have read gives me an indication one way or another on anyone. So, that being said, I am Sammael.

 

Discuss

I hate WIFOM so much, so I'm going to mostly ignore this.  Niniel obviously said that there would be bad characters mixed into the good guys, and vice versa, or something along those lines, which essentially makes character reveals useless.  However, if I did have to analyze this, I don't see what you'd get to gain as town by randomly outing yourself as Sammael, whereas if you were mafia, you could definitely play the card (or hope people play it for you) that mafia would never do anything so scummy or to draw attention to them, and get some easy town leans in the beginning.  Based on that, I have a slight scum read on you, which is compounded on by the more important statement you put in here that nothing here gives you any indication one way or another on anyone.  I agree there are no major clues, but we've already had one clash between Ben and SK, one smaller more lighthearted clash between Ben and DJ, as well my FoS on SK and a light one on DJ.  That's plenty compared to what's usually present in the first 10 pages of a game, yet I don't recall you making this kind of comment in the last game we were in, which although it started quick as well, didn't have more content at this point than we do in this game, and you were town in that game.  Those two things combined, I have you as a definite scum read.

So so far, I guess I'm going scum reads over town reads this game, but I got LZM and SK as my two strongest scum reads (which isn't really saying much atm), followed by a weak read on Ben, and not much on anyone else, maybe a slight town read on DJ.

Rand al'Thor

:D

Wait omg have you not been part of the BT before this?? Welcome!!!

 

 

I didn't realize that everything was completely random in mafia, so in my first game, I assumed that I had been withheld from consideration as scum. I mean, why take a brand new player and make them scum? It seemed intuitively obvious that playing scum added an extra layer of stress to the game because you have to lie the whole time, and for a new player who is trying to figure it out, it seemed absurd to lay that additional condition on them, and so I stated that I was town and couldn't be mafia because it was my very first game, as it seemed obvious to me that the mod wouldn't make me a wolf right away, and they all piled on me for it and started accusing me of being a wolf, and being disingenuous, and all but insulting their intelligence for saying such a stupid thing, and I was really freaked out by it, because that seemed like the least-wolfy thing that I could have possibly said, so I understand. 

 

But I still think you're a wolf.

Didn't like this reaction one bit, I feel like its a more experienced player jumping on a mistake a newer one made.  I like the fact that you later said that you were just joking, but idk if that's just you backing away from something you realized wasn't going to work out.

 

I'm still pretty new, too. This is only my fourth game, and while her initial response pinged me like it did you, I can see how it could come from either a town or a scum perspective, and I'm willing to hold off until I have more information. I'm not sure that I need to or should explain everything I think or do, but since I'm pinging two people. I will. I kept the pressure on her because she was responding to it, and that will help me read her. I left my vote on LZM because it's a random joke vote to get things started. The second vote is more serious, and I'd like to feel more certain about whoever I cast it on than I do about DJ right now.

 

That's a fair point, I honestly forgot you were new too.  And yeah, I have a very light read on you right now, because I can see town doing exactly doing what you did without stretching my imagination too far, but its just the most I have.  You'll notice that my vote isn't even on you, that's how light of a read it is.  What is weirder to me is your reactions after this.  Idk how to put it in words, but you have this obvious frustration, which would come from town or mafia, but almost a forced attempt to keep it down and keep yourself not too overreactive to it.  It seems to me that you're genuinely very upset/scared about the FoSes/votes on you, but don't want to seem like it.

 

 

I... haven't read WoT yet (but plan to do it soon~), so I aaaa... rip. Don't know if I like my character?

But hey guys, I guess I'm here~

Just a heads-up, I'm not going to be on a lot today because it's the 23rd over here, and it's my borthday :D

Looking forward to play with you all though! I'm not very experienced at mafia, especially with scumhunting, so hopefully this will be a great learning experience~

Happy belated birthday!

 

 

It has been completely unproductive. I should have cleaned up the house and taken some things to storage, but instead, I read about the Denver Broncos on a sports blog, then I corrected a bunch of posters on said blog because their wrong views conflicted with mine, and then I watched a movie, and now, I am in another browser tab trying to get as many coins as I can in Castle Age because it's triple coin day, but it's no use because the other guild has tiny players who probably shouldn't have been matched up with us, so the least the other WoT kiddies could do is come post here so that I can lynch all the bad ones. At least you're here.

Ooh, I'm interested, what wrong thing did they say?

 

I missed responding to this. They were saying that we should waste this epic defense letting Paxton Lynch play and get experience despite the fact that he shows no improvement from last year in a trading camp that was decidedly tilted in a way so as to give him every possible opportunity to take the job from Trevor Siemian instead of winning as many games as possible, perhaps even another Siper Bowl, with the kid who is playing much better while we still have this amazing defense intact.

 

Why? Are you a Bronco fan?

 

Nah haha, but I'm an NFL addict so I never miss a chance to talk football.  Also, completely agree, Paxton Lynch was a bad pick from Day 1 imo, Siemian has looked competent, and that's all they need on their offense if their defense, specifically their run defense, can get back on track.  They have a great duo of WRs and a RB corps brimming with potential from the younger CJ Anderson or the vet Jamaal Charles, even a QB like Siemian should be able to be decent with those weapons as long as their O-line plays around average.

 

Lol trying to change the subject ben? That was painful. Someone needs to put you out of my misery.

 

Honestly, this was painful, and I already have a FoS on Ben.  This seems so out of place and tunnel-y that like Ben, I see a few options for you.  Tunneling hard af as town in day 1 (which is never a smart move, and the least likely possibility for me), beating the grass hard, or you're mafia who sees a chance to push this "scummy personality" onto Ben.  The fact that this sounds so forced makes me really strongly believe that its one of the latter two, as the first one would require you actually sounding genuine.

I... haven't read WoT yet (but plan to do it soon~), so I aaaa... rip. Don't know if I like my character?

But hey guys, I guess I'm here~

Just a heads-up, I'm not going to be on a lot today because it's the 23rd over here, and it's my borthday :D

Looking forward to play with you all though! I'm not very experienced at mafia, especially with scumhunting, so hopefully this will be a great learning experience~

Happy belated birthday!

It has been completely unproductive. I should have cleaned up the house and taken some things to storage, but instead, I read about the Denver Broncos on a sports blog, then I corrected a bunch of posters on said blog because their wrong views conflicted with mine, and then I watched a movie, and now, I am in another browser tab trying to get as many coins as I can in Castle Age because it's triple coin day, but it's no use because the other guild has tiny players who probably shouldn't have been matched up with us, so the least the other WoT kiddies could do is come post here so that I can lynch all the bad ones. At least you're here.

Ooh, I'm interested, what wrong thing did they say?

 

I thought we were waiting for everyone to confirm.

Yeah, I think we're just waiting for Rand. He's slow to check in. He's the draggin' reborn, I suppose.

 

:/ Sorry guys haha, I'll be more active from here on.  And lmao, pun game on point, I am indeed the draggin' reborn 

A vote for me already? Really?

 

So what did I do this time? Willing to critique me and point out my wolfish behaviour, or do I not exhibit any, and this is an attempt to eliminate a possible town because you are mafia?

 

I already have a headache this morning and thinking about mafia does not help. But hey, it's fun.

This is the kind of reaction that I'd expect from scum word for word.  Overreaction to joke vote, and overprotective of any signs they may have shown.  But reading your later posts kind of makes me think of what I used to think when I was new to the game too, and how open you're being about this is making me feel better.  Imma keep my eyes on you, but nothing strong.

I didn't realize that everything was completely random in mafia, so in my first game, I assumed that I had been withheld from consideration as scum. I mean, why take a brand new player and make them scum? It seemed intuitively obvious that playing scum added an extra layer of stress to the game because you have to lie the whole time, and for a new player who is trying to figure it out, it seemed absurd to lay that additional condition on them, and so I stated that I was town and couldn't be mafia because it was my very first game, as it seemed obvious to me that the mod wouldn't make me a wolf right away, and they all piled on me for it and started accusing me of being a wolf, and being disingenuous, and all but insulting their intelligence for saying such a stupid thing, and I was really freaked out by it, because that seemed like the least-wolfy thing that I could have possibly said, so I understand. 

 

But I still think you're a wolf.

Didn't like this reaction one bit, I feel like its a more experienced player jumping on a mistake a newer one made.  I like the fact that you later said that you were just joking, but idk if that's just you backing away from something you realized wasn't going to work out.

 

Wow, you post fast. I forget sometimes that you are a master (or mistress) of spam.

 

You have no idea. I used to dominate the spam wars in shayol ghul back in the day..... no power in the verse can stop me!

 

I was alright in my hey day, but yeah, not better than you :P

 

Don't beat yourself up.

 

I like to get someone else to do that.

 

 

I haven´t said. :) There must be something to figuring out, right? 

:O Darn it haha, this is gonna be hard

Shoutout to this guy who makes amazing breakdowns, he took a look at the main rookie QBs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1S2UZQrqvc

I'm down as long as its not on ESPN haha, even though I love the site's fantasy football.

Also your guy's thoughts on the rookie QBs?  I really like Kizer and Trubisky, thought Watson was meh, and don't expect much from Mahomes this year tbh.

Btw, I might be a terrible reader, but how many goons are theree?

Ooh I'm excited

 

 

Great to have you back!

:D Thankss, good to be back in the swing of mafia haha.

 

I can mentor if you'll have me Infiniti :P

 

Terrible idea, cory's just a bad player all around :P

 

 

I know this is a joke but remember that this is a nice game. With a nice sign up thread. :)

 

@ Niniel, in case you didn't notice, it's your turn in the Advanced queue on the Mafia forums too.  :)

 

 

I hadn´t noticed. Thanks for letting me know. 

 

Yup haha got it, I actually thought about that rule before posting, but figured it'd be OK since it was an obvious joke

The Mathews trade (which was ok) doesn't effect the logistics of the Watkins deal. Dealing him for Gaines & moving from the sixth to second is not good compensation for Watkins. If the Bills wanted to tank, they probably shouldn't have paid Tyrod Taylor 30 million this offseason.

I understand acquiring picks is a need for them, but Watkins was a 24 year old wideout with top 5 ceiling. Even with his injury history over the last two years, he was a much more valuable commodity. They sold way too low.

That's fair, only reason I think they'd do that is if they knew Watkins had no desire to resign for the Bills.

Great to have you back!

:D Thankss, good to be back in the swing of mafia haha.

I can mentor if you'll have me Infiniti :P

Terrible idea, cory's just a bad player all around :P

yak

Lego Perrin looks way off to me.

 

Lego Aviendha pretty weird too.

 

5/7 ain't bad though!

A perfect score actually :P

And parable just ended so count me in!

Welcome to the BT!  Hope you enjoy these dark cookies

S - Serpent

Narwhal

Kangaroo! Kick! (bonus points for illiteration?)

I don't think Sam even knows about his father and brother yet. Not that he would be too upset over it, but still. If not Winterfell then maybe he's going to the wall. 

I think he might be upset over his brother?

watkins trade was a travesty lolbills

Idk if I agree.  They went from Watkins to Matthews (unluckily he's now injured to lol), from Darby to EJ Gaines, another slight down grade, but for two slight downgrades, they picked up a 2nd and a 3rd and only gave away a 6th.  Great for rebuilding reasons.

It is that time of year, isn't it?

 

Not much up on the news, but do like to watch the games.

 

Got bits of tonight's pre-season game.

Yup yup, preseason games have been nice, the Niners was a weird one, we had a lot of negative signs, but a lot of positive ones too, very bipolar team, especially with our depth.