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  1. I wonder if Perrin fighting the pattern's tugging could possibly be the answer to the problem of the dark prophesy that says that the Chosen will kill Perrin. It is possible that Perrin had two alternative paths coming out of Tear. He could have gone with Rand or he could have returned to the Two Rivers. Perhaps one path would have ended up fulfilling the dark prophesy, and the other path would have fulfilled light prophesy. I realize that it is not certain that the dark prophesy refers to Perrin. I still entertain that as a possibility, but if it does relate to Perrin his fighting the pattern coming out of Tear or at some other point could be an explanation about why the Dark prophesy would be wrong.
  2. I am still disappointed about the delay in the ebook release. Delaying the digital release only increases piracy and robs Team Jordan and TOR of some ebook sales.
  3. I just wish we could preorder the ebook version. The backward-looking strategy of windowing the release is annoying.
  4. Best Egwene ever in my opinion. I in a reread of LoC at the moment, and I can see this Egwene passing as a dark-eyed Ariel.
  5. The last battle may change the world's perspective on people who can channel. It is possible that people in the next age will name their new cities to honor the residents of Tar Valon, even if the city itself isn't directly linked to Aes Sedai. It is also possible that there will eventually be several cities associated with Aes Sedai. In the third age there was one center for all Aes Sedai in Randland. It doesn't have to be that way. There could be separate facilities for governance and training. The White Tower probably cannot handle the incoming deluge of channelers. Egwene's opening of the Novice Book has already resulted in a flood of new novices. And that flood has resulted from a pretty narrow amount of geography covered by the rebel's line of march. Realistically a major center dedicated to training is going to be needed. Several training centers may develop. One might focus initially on rehabilitating former Sul'dam and Damane as well as the channelers beyond the Waste. Eventually there may be enough Aes Sedai Windfinders and Wise One Aes Sedai that they may open training centers in the islands and the Waste. It is also possible that some or all of the Ajah will open their own centers. Newly raised Aes Sedai would go to them for their final training, and the centers could also serve as research centers dedicated to the needs of the various Ajah.
  6. There is another possibility, and that is that Cadsuane was at least partially wrong. One of my favorite things about the series is the way that things that the heros know for certain turn out to be wrong. Usually there is some kernel of truth in the original belief, but the details are off the mark. To me the essential flaw in Cadsuane's explanation is what it does to Rand's role in the Last Battle. The Dragon is supposed to be pivotal at the last battle. If he is linked to a anyone and the other person is melding the flows, then the Dragon is basically reduced to serving the role of a high voltage battery. We also know that at least part of Cadsuane's explanation is also out of date. She says that Callandor magnifies the taint. That is now irrelevant. One part of Cadsuane's explanation does make sense up to a point. Men cannot initiate circles. Therefore if a circle must be used, a woman must initiate the circle. However, Cadsuane is like most Aes Sedai in that she is highly sexist when it comes to men channeling. She may be assuming that a woman must lead because fully trained and raised Aes Sedai are the best channelers and must therefore lead the circle. The origins of Callandor are still a mystery. Even when we saw it in the Hall of Servants in Paaran Disen the Aes Sedai there seemed to be a bit confused about it. Perhaps they saw Cdsuane's flaw, but maybe they just didn't fully understand its function. My guess is that there is some major feature of Callandor that we don't know about. To someone who doesn't know what they are looking at, it may look like a flaw. It is also possible that it is a true flaw, but perhaps Rand or someone around him can take advantage of it. My guess for the three are Rand, Nynaeve, and Logain.
  7. I think it is pretty clear that he used compulsion when he captured them. I don't think that he had to use compulsion to seduce Tovene. I don't think he even to work very hard at the seduction. It looks like Logain has only used the compulsion to keep the AS from escaping, but it is still compulsion in my book.
  8. I am waiting for the Tam/Morgaise reunion. Granted, the first meeting isn't documented explicitly in the series, but I think it did happen and there might be a nice reunion moment. It might clear up some of the story of Tam's life out of the Two Rivers. When Rand was taken to Morgaise she said that she had an advantage over her advisers because she had heard the Two Rivers tongue, but that Elaida and Gareth had not. That suggests that she heard the dialect before she became Queen. That raises the question of how and when she had heard it. Few people except peddlers and merchants visit the Two Rivers and few people from the Two Rivers ever leave. Tam is the only person that we know to have left in the last thirty or so years. At Fal Dara Moraine says that she just recently learned Tam's history, and she mentions that he went to Caemlyn before going back to the Two Rivers. That would have made the timing just about right for him to have met Morgaise prior to becoming Queen. Tam may have been married at the time, so I doubt if there was a romantic relationship (on the other hand, we are talking about Morgaise, here). My guess is that Tam may have rescued her from one of the other houses during the succession or played some heroic role in her life that made him and his way of speech memorable. If Morgaise had met Tam al'Thor, then it might give some insight about why Morgaise released Rand against the advice of her advisers. She might have recognized the name, and she probably would have known that Tam had a heron-marked sword and an out-land wife. That would have indicated to her that Rand was indeed telling the truth. Her stated rational of justice might have been part of the reason, but I don't think it was the whole reason. Tam and Morgaise did briefly travel with Perrin following the rescue at Malden and they theoretically could have had their reunion then. However, I don't think they actually met during the time with Perrin. There were over a hundred thousand refugees, and it is clear that Tam stayed with the rescued refugees. He didn't even seem to have much to do with the Two Rivers camp because he was training refugees in combat. Morgaise may have heard the name and recognized it, but she was still traveling incognito. In fact, she might have avoided contact with Tam on purpose. Tam was already gone by the time Morgaise's true identity was revealed to Perrin's camp.
  9. Let me add mine. Although given long history of Mat and women who can channel, maybe the following are givens instead of speculation: 1) Whatever honor they give him, he will not like it. 2) Whatever honor they give him, it will force him to be responsible. 3) Whatever honor they give him, it will create work for him. 4) Whatever honor they give him, it will probably land him in the middle of a battle at some point. 5) The honor may bring him great wealth, but he will have to spend most of it rescuing other women who can channel. 6) Not a single Windfinder will ever call him "Mat" which is the name he prefers. I think that the Pattern has decided that Matrim Cauthon is a universal Warder to all women who can channel. Except for the time he spent in the Waste his entire storyline since leaving Tar Valon in TDR has involved nothing but saving one group of women who can channel after another. Mat is proof that the Pattern does have a sense of humor.
  10. There are several things playing into this type of scenario. At this point in the story both Rand and Perrin are physically with a mile or so of each other, so an early meeting between them is very likely. There is also a large gathering of Tuatha'an near Ebou Dar, and Rand is aware of them. However getting a mass of them to the last battle quickly may involve coming to terms with Fortuona and the Seanchan. One thing arguing against Perrin's role is that he may not be on the best of terms with the Tuatha'an after Perrin give permission to Aram to pick up a sword.
  11. I think that Perrin will move the Dreamspike from the Black Tower to the White Tower. That will thwart the Saenchan invasion of the White Tower. The Seanchan are not sophisticated users of the OP, and they know little of ter'angrael except for making A'dam. They will be totally baffled about why the weaves fail. I think it will be a very bad day for Elaida. Fortuona will want answers about why the weave fails, and Elaida will not have a clue. I am not sure what will happen after the battle at the WT is thwarted. It could be just a fizzle that disappoints a lot of readers, but at least it will avoid the need for several battle chapters in the AMoL. It could throw the massed Saenchan forces into chaos and set the stage for Rand to make a move while the Saenchan's faith in the OP is shaken. It might also be that they will redirect the invasion to other locations where their spies have reported large groups of channelers. The possible targets would be the Plains of Maredo or the royal palace in Caemlyn, although I don't think either is likely.
  12. Technically, the Age of Legends began with the Mierin's attempt. It ended with the Breaking. This is a different age, the Third Age. Mierin's attempt to tap the True Power happened near the end of the Age of Legends, and in some ways it started events that are the running theme of the Third Age. I wasn't clear in my wording. I meant to say that it would be appropriate if the Third Age ends with the successful release of the TP from the DO's control. It would be interesting if Mierin/Lanfear/Cyndane could be part of that. However, I think Cydane is probably too crippled in use of the OP to be a part of the link, and I think Nynaeve's position in the circle is pretty secure. I have been perplexed about Callandor's purpose since we saw it in Rand's vision of the breaking. My impression is that the AS who were standing around the table with Callandor were unsure of Callandor. I wonder if Cadsuane's assessment that it was flawed is at least partially wrong. I wonder if it was made my Mierin or someone like her that had the idea of using it to unify the three powers. The AS around the table might have recognized that it wasn't a normal Sa'angrael and assumed that it was flawed or incomplete.
  13. I still think there is a possibility that the three will be Nynaeve wielding Saidar, Logain wielding Saidin, and Rand leading with the True Power. This age effectively began with Mierin trying to liberate the TP, and it may end with the realization of that dream. The three Ta'veren will be important, but I can't see how they would become one. The prophesy says that the three become one; it does not say that three meet in one place. It seems to me that for three to become one there must be more to it than the three being in the same place at the same time. I think that for the prophesy to be fulfilled there must be some type of dynamic link where they act in total unison or somehow represent a single entity. I don't think that the three Ta'veren coming together in a way that will fulfill the prophesy. The visions of each other might form the basis of a unifying link, but it doesn't seem that powerful unless it grows so much in the last book that somehow the three know what the others are thinking and they act in unison. I am of the opinion that the visions are mainly a plot device that allows the reader to sync up the various time lines.
  14. Where was this written? Not doubting, but I would like to look it up. Just about every time we see one of the Chosen in the Pit they have thoughts about how channeling there or even embracing the source would mean instant death.
  15. The objects of power left at Rhuidean are apparently under the protection of the Wise Ones. At least Egwene told the WO that they could keep the ones they still had. I think the ones in Tear are still under Wards set by Rand and possibly Morraine. I have heard people say that the ones left at the dock are still in Cairhein under guard, but I don't know of a reference for that. I do not think any of the caches have made it to the White Tower yet.
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