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  1. Aginor, the other forsaken killed in Eye of the World, made the trollocs and other shadowspawn.

    I thought it could be Aginor, too. Afterall, the first ones that died were he and Balthamael, and since Balthamael became Aran'gar, I toyed with the idea that Aginor would be Osan'gar. That also fits into the irony of him "being the hero of the day" for he was so quick to be defeated. I could have sworn Ishamael created the shadowspawn, but I guess I was mistaken.

  2. I just finished Winter's Heart today. The ending with the Choedan Kal was phenomenal. It was the first time we get so many of the Forsaken striking at Rand at once. It also revealed a lot. Previously, I had guessed Lanfear was either Moridin (Naeblis) or Cyndane. I was therefore unsurprised when the chapter revealed she was Cyndane. I also knew Aran'gar was Balthamael. Now I have one question concerning Osan'gar. In his appearance in the chapter, he claims to be the creator of the Trollocs and, by extent, the Mydraul. Now, I can't recall exactly, but wasn't Ishamael the creator of the Trollocs? I could have sworn one of the first two or three books mentioned that it was him. So, by that knowledge, I'm thinking Osan'gar is Ishamael. HOWEVER...another oddity appeared in that character. Osan'gar was thinking how ironic it would be if he was the hero of the day (if he was the one that killed Rand), which leads me to suspect that he could be Asmodean resurrected. So my question is, "Did Ishamael create the Trollocs?"

     

     

    This makes the identity of Moridin even more obscure. I was certain that if it wasn't Lanfear it had to be Ishamael, especially with the Forsaken describing him as "a part of the Dark One".

  3. I see people talking about the earlier novels here, so I want to discuss my reactions to them. I was actually disappointed somewhat at the end of Eye of the World when *spoiler*Rand "kills" Ba'alzamon*end spoiler*. It made the Dark One seem weak and I was thinking it would detract from their final battle. Then Ba'alzamon comes back at the end of The Great Hunt, and the battle in the sky was amazing, but again it made me think Ba'alzamon was weak and I was kind of annoyed by how Rand keeps defeating him. AND AGAIN the same thing happens in The Dragon Reborn, and when Ba'alzamon is killed, I was perplexed because Jordan described it as if he was REALLY dead that time. Of course, there I was thinking, how can he be dead if he's supposed to be trapped. I was confused as to how he was going about the world and just assumed it was, as Moiraine had said, the weakening of the cuendillar seals that enabled him to "touch" the world more easily. But what Moiraine reveals at the end of The Dragon Reborn made me appreciate those three fights in the first three books and also made me realize that if *SPOILER*Ba'alzamon was really Ishamael, then the Dark One would have to be much more powerful than that*END SPOILER*

  4. That's what I'm saying. Wheel of Time, while it does combine elements from other fantasy sources (and while Eye of the World is so similar to Fellowship), is unique in how it blends those elements. It crafts a very complex epic, but it's just better than Lord of the Rings. I have read reviews that call it a rip-off of Lord of the Rings and just thought that to be so absurd. It's very good, but this is like the kettle talking to the tea pot.

  5. I imagine a lot would agree here since this is a "WoT" fanboard. But I think some people who haven't bothered to read the "WoT" books unfairly call it a rip-off of "LoTR"...and it's so much better than that trilogy.

  6. I've been reading fantasy books for years now. It was "Harry Potter" that actually got me interested in the genre. But I had rarely read epics, so I would never have imagined reading "The Wheel of Time." Thrice I have tried to read "The Lord of the Rings", but something about the beginning of the first book bores me to tears, so I've never been able to get far into "Fellowship" before dropping it and reading something else. I had read all of "The Hobbit", and it was incredible (pwns "LoTR" book-wise, althought he LoTR movies rock!). Anyways, my mom started dating a guy, and he was apparently a big fan of "The Wheel of Time." He had been reading all of them and was anxiously awaiting the twelfth book at the time. He recommended my mom get the first one for me, so on my fifteenth birthday, she gave me a copy of "The Eye of the World." I looked at it in somewhat of disappointment. It had a kind of "Lord of the Rings" rip-off feel to me, and as I said before, I didn't even like reading "The Lord of the Rings." So, I decided I'd check it out anyways, and a couple weeks later (because I had started reading other books at the time), I began to read it. I was reading it at a dilligent pace, but it wasn't until the Winternight chapter that things got interesting, and it became increasingly hard for me to put it down. After that, I was hooked, and that Christmas I got a box-set of Books 2-4 and another for 5-7. I never read them at a very fast pace. I usually only read on the weekends in the mornings, so it took me up to summer to get to the fifth book. But I think they are some of my fondest memories. In fact, last spring break (in March), I would sit out back and read "The Dragon Reborn" and now I'm extremely nostalgic for that...and it hasn't even been a year yet. I'm hooked now, and it's just awesome. I'm on "Winter's Heart" right now, but I have all the books up to number 13. I'm going to be so upset when I finish the 13th and have to wait almost a year for the 14th...and even more so when I finish that one, as that seems to parallel my graduating from high school and an "end to my childhood" or what not.

  7. If there are any other new users or fans looking, this does contain SPOILERS!

     

    Hey, just started reading these about a year and four months ago. I got the first book for my birthday in 2009 and thought it would be something I'd never be into. I immediately looked at the cover and said, "It looks like some Medieval bullcrap." But I guess the saying "Never judge a book by its cover" really paid off, because right after Winternight in 'The Eye of the World' things got extremely interesting, and now I'm on book nine and loving it. I'm just amazed by how epic this series really is. It's very complex, and sometimes something almost negligible turns up in one book, and three or four books later, it becomes essential to the plot. Lots of twists and turns keep it interesting and exciting.

     

    Anyways, so far what I've found to be most shocking:

     

    -Egwene being chosen as the rebel Amyrlin. I was in complete shock when that happened.

     

    -Nynaeve Healing being stilled. This was unbelievable.

     

    -Moiraine dying...although I hate myself for looking at the glossary for the thirteenth book and spoiling myself with something I shouldn't have seen.

     

    -Moridin as Naeblis. This guy's really interesting, and since I'm only on "Winter's Heart", I don't know what to make of him (or her???) yet. I don't want to be spoiled about him (or any of the Forsaken). Alas, I accidentally spoiled myself with seeing that Graendal forms some sort of pact with Rand later and that Mesaana dies in Book 13 and that Aran'gar is Balthamael. Don't tell me if I'm right or wrong (if it's been revealed yet), but my guess right now: Moridin is either Lanfear or Ishamael. However, I kind of think, given the whole sex change thing as a show of the Dark One's humor, that Oran'gar is Lanfear.

     

    -Morgasse being driven out of Amador and assumed dead.

     

    -Siuan's stilling/disposal as Amyrlin.

     

     

    And my favorite characters are definitely the Forsaken. They're all so fascinating, and I'm kept in such mystery about them as they only pop up every now an then. Lanfear was the obvious favorite; she's hot, seductive, smart, and extremely powerful and cunning. Graendal is beautiful and fierce and seems to have somethin up her sleeve. Damodred (sp?) has been lurking around a lot in his mission to become Naeblis, and so far I'm thinking he has something up his sleeve too. Mesaana is one of my favorites; I love how she's described as having a voice like chimes and always shrouds herself in mysterious disguises when speaking with Aliadrin (forgot her name, probably off). Sammael was alright but I figured he'd be canned. Ishamael's story as Ba'alzamon was intriguing. Balthamael and Aginor never had much room to grow as they were the first to get wacked off, and Be'lal was only featured very briefly. Moghedien has been an endearing part of the stories and is fascinating. Semirrhage thus far hasn't showed up, but I expect that to change. And I always seem to forgot Asmodean. I'm thinking it was Shadar Haran that visited him in Book 5. Shadar Haran, Moridin, and Cyndane are all very interesting and mysterious, too. AND I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE DARK ONE!

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