I was wondering....Are Mat and Perrin heroes of the Horn?

I know Hawkwing didn't mention knowing them but I thought maybe they are.....or will be....

I had a thought that Aemon could be Mat....

could be.....

 

I've always hoped that was the case, Mat should definately get to chill in TaR once he passes on, the conversations between he and Brigitte for eternity would be awesomely hilarious, and Perrin already knows the ropes so he's a natural fit too.

I dearly hope Perrin goes hunting with his Wolfbrothers when he dies, not staying in a human form in TAR.

This was in another thread but my question was off topic so I'll post it here.  I apologize if this has been brought up somewhere else.

 

Could Rand be the "strongest" male channeler ever(to the best of our knowledge)?

 

Quote from: TGS, Veins of Gold

He closed his eyes, drawing in more and more power, feeling as he had only twice before. Once when he had cleansed saidin. Once when he had created this mountain.

"Then he drew in more."

He knew that much power would destroy him. He had stopped caring.

 

This "did not" kill him but was even more than LTT drew in the creation of Dragonmount(the other Dragonmount) which killed LTT. 

 

Could it be possible that Rand just grew?  That his maximum amount of power he could hold was increased?

 

When creating Dragonmount, LTT channeled far more than he could unaided. That's what burned him. Rand had the immense power of the CK at his disposal, so it wasn't all that exceptionnal to channel as much as LLT had when creating Dragonmount.

 

LTT and Rand are the same person, so I expect they have the same level. The same as Ishamael.

I know of no separate source of information to support a decision either way. That being said, I agree with Aquarius.

Indeed. Sorry if I sounded too sure of myself. I just couldn't find room for argument. But yes you're right :)

I have a simple question, and one of very little importance. Does Tam see Nynaeve as just the Wisdom, or does he lump her in with the Aes Sedai? When he storms into the room of Aes Sedai he refers to her as "Wisdom" and then goes on to ask what the Aes Sedai did to his boy.

Yes, he does see her as Wisdom. He probably knows she has gone a long way from Emond's Field, but yes. IN that conversation he makes a clear distinction between Aes Sedai schemes and the Wisdom.

Roedran has been mentioned in this context - with both pros and cons.

There are several Demandred threads on this board where the topic has been discussed with much enthusiasm.

There is also the chance that Dem, if he's working with proxies, will take pains not to seem remarkable.

 

I had previously erased Roedran from my own list of potentials, but yes, he qualifies. I was wondering about other lesser known people.

 

(sorry if that was supposed to go in a Demmy post, but it's the "fast question /fast answer" after all)

Is there an off-screen character, someone we have heard about several times but never seen, that seems remarquable enough to qualify as a possible Demandred ?

the trollocs and myrdraal helping  mordeth was because he tortured the one myrdraal until it agreed to help him

The only instance of Fain tortureing a Myrhdral was in the Great Hunt, fleeing from Fal Dara with the Horn, to assert his authority over both the Darkfriends and the Trollocs with him. Is there any actual Fain PoV of that ?

 

EDIT: I'vejust reread Fain's PoV at the end of Book 4. Yes there's a Myrhdralk with him, not too happy, but I don't see anything implying Fain tortured him.

Padan Fain has been heavily hunted... that is why the Trollocs were in the Two River and it is also why Isam was there. With secondary reasons for trying to draw the three ta'vern there.

I'm confused ... Isam and the Trollocs seem to have played in Fain's hand in the Two Rivers, on his side (hence all Fain's patrols where Bornhald's men died, all Bornhald's patrols beeing severely atacked...)

 

Aside from that, some on these forums say that the Dark Hound Pack we see in I-can't-remember-what-book was on his trail. Add to that the Golham that wasn't always hunting Mat.;. that makes a big effort I guess. I'm troubled that the Chosen make little case of him though. perhaps that was your point ?

Not a very simple question this time.

 

We know that a channeler can hide his/her channeling by weaving a mask. But do we know if the channeler can arrange the look of strenght in OP? I mean if Nyn weaved a mask and looked as strong as Siuan in OP or something like that. Maybe the opposite too? Is it possible?

Probably possible. Messaana hides in the White Tower and most people belive she's posing as an Aes Sedai. So she has to have something loke that to look weaker than she is really.

Can't remember where this was mentioned and it's been bugging me for a while now.  What caused the blue flash when Thom fought the Myrddral in Whitebridge?

Metal / metal violent contact can do that.

Elayne killed some seanchan when she tore apart her gateway

once again, not her own hands (not that she has any power in that area, that's what men are good for in her opinion) and more than that, she didn't blow up that gateway on purpose, there was no intention of killing.

 

(by the way, whe Aviendha DID unweave a gateway, was it Moridin or slayer that was in the stables looking at them ?)

Getting back to simple (I think) Q&A:

 

Does Rand still have possession of the sword (Laman's) that Aviendha gave to him?  The last concrete reference to it I can remember is in WH 33 "Blue Carp Street", but I don't have CoT or KoD on hand right now.

Not with him at all time, now that he has Justice, but I see no reason for him to discard Laman's sword. If only as a gift from Avi.

 

Does he still have the Dragon belt buckle she gave him?  Even though the sword holds more practical and historical value, I'd bet he values the belt buckle more, because she had it specially made for him from her own weapons.

Probably, yes.

 

 (btw, was she completely making up an excuse for giving this to him in tFoH 4 "Twilight"? She aays it's because she's been ordered by the WO to give gifts to the three people she most hates.  We know she doesn't really hate him, but did she make up the whole story, or only the part about him being one of those three?  We know she later asks the WO to punish her for having told two lies that day, but not what those lies were.)

Yes, that's totally an excuse. She's fighting two things at once : her visit to Rhuidean that told her that she was tied to Rand (I don't remember the specifics, sorry) and her love to Rand.

 

Anyway, speaking of Aviendha's weapons, have we ever seen her kill a human?  I know she's killed plenty of Shadowspawn, and because she's former FDM we assume she's killed people, but do we know for sure?  My intuition says yes, but I'm unable to recall any specific instance right this minute.  Probably facing the Seanchan or BA with Elayne...

 

EDIT: Just remembered Battle of Cairhein, where she and Egwene did some OP lightning blasts into Shaido positiions. So, to answer my own question, yes.

not with her own hands, with the One Power. However she probably had skirmishes with one Clan or another while she was a Maiden. Besides, when Egwene, Elayne and Nyneave are captured by some guys on the road to Tear, they are almost sold to a Myrhdral. Rhuarc, Avi and a bunch of Aiel attack the guys at the same time as the Girls turn the myrhdral into a torch. So she might have killed a darkfriend at that time.

 

 

Finally, have we ever seen Min kill a human?  I don't think she has, though she's been caught up in several battles.  We know she fought Trollocs in tDR 5 "Nightmares Walking" and in KoD 19 "Vows", and she tried to off Semirhage in tGS 22 "The Last That Could Be Done", but we've never seen her actually kill anybody, AFAIK.

No we haven't. We are repeated book after books that she's totally powerless in all the fights she gets into. She believes she's "not as good as Thom" but in fact, she's just useless.

 

If this is true, is Min the only lead/important/POV character without blood on her hands?

I'm not sure Nyneave has killed a human.

I've found it interesting how Elza/Semirhage managed to get the dominition band out of Cadsuane's box. I believe Cadsuane just assumes that Semirhage had some AoL secrets for undoing the weaves. However, we know that Sorilea and Bair were with Cadsuane at one point when she got into her secret box. Bair can't channel - so doesnt that leave Sorilea as a very suspicious culprit? Could she be a darkfriend?

 

I hope so.

 

It's certainly possible but in this case, Brandon clarified (on the Q&A threads in this forum) that Shaidar Haran taught Elza the weaves she need to bypass Cadsuane's wards.

 

If I remember the Brandon quote well... Shaidar Haran taught "some things" to Elza...

What? All AS from the AoL died away and the current day AS are just the successors of women who taught themselves? Is this based on anything concrete?

I'll have to look it up in the books so don't take it for granted, but yes, that's what I remember...

It seems strange that one of the most potentially useful methods of dealing with shadowspawn was apparently forgotten entirely by the AS?

Considering the art of Travelling was lost, I find it likely that they would also forget that Shadowspawn can't.

How the heck they forgot the weave for Travelling in the first place is still a mystery to me, that's the last thing I'll neglect to teach my pupils.

 

I think the official (RJ) explanation was something like the world's geography changed radically during the Breaking. So there was a longish period when Travel was impossible or at best, very local. Also half the channelers went nuts. By the time global geography had stabilised, Travel had fallen out of use.

 

Don't forget that the original Aes Sedai (even the female ones) died during the breaking and did not pass along their knowledge. Everything had to be rediscovered by the bunch of channelling women that gathered and finally called themselves Aes Sedai. that thing lasted 300 years :/

Just a question about the adam....

Can someone linked by an adam either sul'dam or damane use angreal/ter'angreal or sa'angreal?

Just a question that popped into my head....

Using angreal/sa'angreal is pretty closely linked to forming a group. (channeling "through" something/someone else). We know that they don't know how to link, so it's rather safe to assume that they don't use angreals as well. The Adam may even prevent their use.

 

Ter'angreal are probably a completely different matter.

 

 

My question is - what's the deal with the saa? What role has it really played in the books so far, other than showing other forsaken who's been using the True Power? I'm not long awake so my head isn't really in full gear yet, but it seems a strange thing to put in that i can't recall ever being used to any real purpose. I know Rands vision has already been partially damaged, but if at some point he draws on the True Power again, I can see it being a big focal point of the story - if he used a LOT of it, would it cause enough saa to obscure his vision and make him blind?

Yes, we can imagine Rand (or Moridin, or a mix of them both...) with totally black eyes. That would be something to see...

 

Aside from that, no Saa hasn't played that much of a part until now.

 

When Byar/Bornhald had a strong grip against Perrin that was in the Two Rivers, AFTER Falme (Bornhald Sr. 's ass beeing wiped off by the Seanchan). But now that the whole WC's army has seen what the Seanchan are capable of when taking Amador, they won't believe that Perrin was responsible for Dain's dad death.

Here's one...

in aCoS CH41, when Rand makes a gateway and has a thought about Dashiva losing a hand... there is a line in the book here that says something about 'something red and jagged spiderwebbed across the void' (i'm paraphrasing).

 

What?

 

is this foreshadowing to him losing a hand and the irony is the red spiderweb? or is dashiva up to something? this one confused me to no end.

 

Also, on the next page there is a similar description used. I think that it was for the blue lightning dashiva weaves over illian... ?

 

I read this chapter last night and I can't remember the specifics.

has this been discussed?

This is it:

Surrounding himself with the emptiness of the Void, he seized saidin and forced frozen fire and molten filth into the

weaves for a gateway. Dashiva leaped back as it opened. Maybe having a hand sliced off would teach the man not to

lick his lips like a goat. Something crooked and red spiderwebbed across the outside of the Void.

I'm not sure it means anything particular, myself.

 

On the next page Rand announces to Illian that he's the DR, the ashaman throw fireballs in the air, except Dashiva "who made blue lightnings crackle in a jagged web above the square."

This may not be a simple question, but it IS from a simple person. Or maybe it is. What would happen if someone went in to tel'aran'rhiod in the flesh, and fell asleep wearing a dream ter'angreal? Would a dream version of themselves appear there as well? Or might they dream themselves into another higher plane of tel'aran'rhiod?

Asmodean once referred to the black space Rand "skims" through as being like "a dream of a dream". I'm also thinking here of when Birgitte takes Nynaeve to watch the forsaken meeting in tel'aran'rhiod, surrounded in a dark empty place. Might these all be related, the same place/plane, perhaps?

 

Pure speculation.

 

Apologies for partly repeating my earlier post.

I'd say yes, thay would see themselves sleeping. it's a big "IF" however. I don't imagine anyone falling asleep while in T'AR in the flesh :)

No. Janduin survived the war and went back to the Waste. But he was depressed at the death of Shaiel/ Tigraine, resigned as clan chief and led an expedition to the Blight. There, he was attacked by someone/ something that looked a great deal like a male version of his dead wife and allowed it to kill him. From the descriptions, we know it was Slayer using his Luc form.

Indeed. Thanks for the correction.

Omg I just had a horrible thought.  Janduin can channel, janduin goes to the bight, janduin's soul is fodder at thakken dar.  Janduin's body is occupied by ishy

Moridin would be more probable than Ishamael.  Though I am not sure if Janduin's body could be preserved until the time.  The earliest for the resurrection seems to have been within time of Crown of Swords which is almost a year after the death; that seems to imply that the body was not yet available.

We have not been told whether Janduin could channel or not, but he was approaching the Blight; I take he was killed shortly after entering it.

 

Janduin led the three clans that got out of the Waste to claim Laman's head after he cut Avendesora. He died in the siege of Tar Valon.

The WO say that he coulnd't refuse anything to Shaiel and that he let her come with him despite her pregnancy.

Delving for ore did seem to be portrayed as an incredibly rare talent, rare enough that it's likely that Egwyne would have been the only one amongst the SAS with that ability.  And with the tower civil war approaching and everything else going on, I'm sure that the Amyrlin Seat had better things to do than to go prospecting.

I seem to remember that during the "turning Southharbor's chains to Cuendillar training" episode, Egwene thinks along those lines as well. She's not the only one, but she's the strongest. Bode, Leane and a few others (that get murdered by Arangar) are somewhat talented as well. They make Cuendillar things to sell.

Curious . . . what did RJ mean by "Legends change," huh?

.... They fade to myth. and even myth is long forgotten .. blah blah blah :)

I am probably wrong, but I think the last time they were all together was in the Stone of Tear...

I was thinking the same thing.

 

When they leave Tear, Perrin goes to help the Two Rivers. He comes back (to Caemlyn) only for a few days before saving rand at Dumai's Wells and then he's sent to deal with the Prophet. during that time I believe Mat is with the girls in Tanchico, Salidar, Ebou dar,