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  1. Toram Riatin was able to hold his own against a Rand...although Rand was not taking it seriously. Lan finished him in less than 30 seconds with a small cut.

     

    Fatigue, illness/injuries definitely play a huge part in any contest. Typically in the real world, the top 3-5 in any discpline are very very close to each other...however there are exceptions, and I would say Lan is definitely one of those...as is the likes of Anderson Silva, George St.Pierre, Floyd Mayweather...

     

    Anderson Silva, Mr. Anderson, Matrixing fighters in MMA:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NQ7wraiH92o


  2. Being on with the land and combination ta'averen explains only so much. Does not explain DF's shieding away or going mad or the "Light" in his mind.

     

    Rand Sedai was essentially a mini-Creator at that point and eventually after SG battle, he has reality altering powers.


  3. Demandred has been channeling for around 380 years. "Swords" was like fencing in the AoL, so the skill and technique was developed in several of the Forsaken. Then they had 10 years of constant, brutal warfare. On a scale much larger than anything the 3rd Age has ever seen since the Trolloc Wars. 

     

    Then two years improving in "Third Age" combat uniting his Sharan faction. (Shara is in civil turmoil for most of the time) 

     

    Channeling - as mentioned - gives an extra advantage with heightened senses, plus a few weaves that can even out the playing field. (Lan dodges stones the size of a horses head) 

     

    Demandred was also fatigued though. Galad gave him a few cuts, and even with healing, blasting thousands of people with a huge sa'angreal and a full circle takes its toll. 

     

    Nonetheless, it's safe to say he was in a much better condition than the non-channeler, un-healed Lan who - realistically - shouldn't have even been able to fight that long. 

     

    Demandred was also holding back because he thought Lan was Lews Therin, and he was distracted because he was weary of "Lews Therin" channeling at him at some point. So he wasn't even completely focused. 

     

     

    I think it's safe to say that the scenario showed how skilled Lan actually was. Considering all factors, he is lucky to have done what he did and not be cut down within seconds.

     

    The skill/experience debate is practically invalid. Rand defeated a seasoned blademaster after 4-6 months of intermittent training. He was apparently only second to Lan after a year. 

    You could say that was Lews Therin's ability - in which case you could say Demandred could have been equally as good. But we also have Galad and Gawyn - who become 2 of the top 5 blademasters in the Westlands within 2 years. 

     

    Considering all of the unrealistic development of skill, Demandred is one of the more plausible scenarios comparatively. 

     

    Galad and Gawyn did have sword pratice with Gareth (was stated in the books)....probably started when they were teenagers.

     

    For Rand I would indeed say it was LTT's abilities. LTT was very likely the #1 blademaster in AoL. No, Demandred was likely #2 (with his 2+years training added on, probably as good as LTT was when he faced Lan).

     

    It would have been realistic for Demandred to beat Gawyn (minus rings) and possibly beating Galad with OP/sword combo. Gawyn with 3 rings would be too much for anyone...a mini-Flash, plot shields at work of course.

     

    Lan is leaps and bounds better than Rand and Galad...and according to Avienhda she has never met a more danagerous man.  Lan's PoV does state: "Perhaps if they had come to the fight evenly, it would be different".  While Lan was fatingued and injured somewhat, there should still be no way that Demandred should be in Lan's league.

     

    AoL, swords were merely a past time sport, until the War of Power hit...Demandred was an OP user, 99.99% time he would have used the OP in battle....this is not unskilled Rand, this is someone close to the skill of Rand Sedai.

     

     

    I am being too much of a whiner.

    :rolleyes:

     

    I look forward to anything else Brandon et al produces in terms of WoT (video game, movies...maybe further books) or Brandon's other works.


  4. IMO first "mistake" was Gawyn failing with 3 rings, made no sense.

     

    While I personally like the anime style of one upping...Gawyn, Galad and finally taking Lan to kill Demandred, it made no sense for the WoT.

     

    Lastly, there is no way Demandred would be as good (Lan's PoV implied that if he was well rested it may have turned out different) or a hair better than Lan. Only in the 10 year span (War of Power) did Demandred have any battlefied experience, without question, only a handful would have been with the sword. Aes Sedai of AoL were OP users (did you see any AS or Asha'man using the sword in battle in AMOL?)...now even in the more primitive medieval setting of Randland, without Rand, no Asha'man would train the sword and most disdain it.

     

    This is akin to me beating Anderson Silva if I was 400 years old with some MMA practice...my full time job being a desk jockey.  Never going to happen.


  5. Well we got confirmation from Brandon that pre-SG/LB he wasn't "Jesus Rand". Many of his seeming new powers after DM were actually tricks. That said I feel his experience at SG in AMoL changed him and he now has some connection to the pattern. Really hope we get more on this topic.

     

    Brandon dialing back? Pre-retcon? Jesus Rand he was to a lesser extent. DF's going mad when he channelled, them being blinded, he had vast impact on the Pattern (not present in any other ta'avern). 

     

    Moridin's comment about heartbeats was a silly attempt.


  6. Yes, like the most powerful beings in DC or Marvel, he now has reality warping capabilities. However, the range and scope are limited imo.

     

    He is not going to be able to turn the world into an apple (or create a universe) for instance or kill someone in another continent merely by thinking it (he can likely stop someone's heart if within sight...)  


  7. Perrin is too teddy bear to kill his childhood friend.

     

     

    If Perrin tried to assassinate Mat, Mat's luck would probably have him find a coin on the ground and look to pick it up making Perrin's hammer swing miss as he materialized into the real world.

     

     

     

    Anyways, Aveindha's vision changed.  So the future is still up in the air.  With Rand's decision to make the aiel basically marshall's of the eastern held countries, the eastern countries probably won't bicker and will be more unified against the Seanchan.  

     

    Plus, that dreamspike, only Perrin knows about it, so it will negate any traveling by the Seanchan.

     

    Yes, Perrin is not going to go after Mat. They are friends since childhood...Only way I see this happenning is if Mat turns evil, then Mat is toast.

     

    And Perrin does have the dreamspike, which would be a very decisive weapon against the Seanchan.


  8.  

    I'd like to know if Hawkwing went and talked to Tuon, and if so, what he said to her.

    It happened, but Brandon hasn't been hugely forthcoming as to what was said: 

    >BRANDON SANDERSON (PARAPHRASED)

     

    I also asked if we would ever get to hear the conversation between Hawkwing[/size] and Tuon, and he said that it did happen and would have had a great impact on future novels were they to be written.

    BRANDON SANDERSON

    I can tell you that it did take place, and that Hawkwing is more inclined to agree with what's going on in Seanchan than I think what fans expect him to be. Now, remember that Hawking was not fond of Aes Sedai. Part of that was not his fault, but he was not fond of them. He is not just King Arthur, he is Alexander the Great. King Arthur ruled through justice. Artur Hawkwing ruled through justice and ruthlessness. It will certainly be a conversation filled with emotion and passion, but I don't think everyone expecting Hawkwing to take their side is understanding who Artur Hawkwing is.

     

    It doesn't make any sense it would be Perrin vs. Mat.  Mat is heading off to Seanchan..the Dragon's Peace will be in place this time.

     

    Perrin is just too powe4rful for Mat.

     

    Hell, Perrin could kill a gholam now...since he can bring people/things to TAR...once in TAR, it is all Perrin. Damane, rinse repeat. Mat, same thing...anyone, same thing.

    WEEK 7 QUESTION

    Since the first few books, Rand's and Perrin's dreams have been protected. Rand can weave a ward around his dreams. Perrin being a wolfbrother has protected his dreams. How have Mat's dreams been protected since the first half of the series?
    ROBERT JORDAN
    A side effect of his foxhead medallion, though he doesn't know it. This was not part of the intended purpose of making the medallion; it's a true side effect.

    Given that, I find it doubtful Perrin could bring Mat into T'a'r, certainly not with any ease. Frankly, I don't see why it "doesn't make sense". Yes, Mat is heading off to Seanchan - but as one of the things we know is that Perrin is going to Seanchan when he's thinking about having to kill this old friend, I'm not sure why you're considering that a point against. I would say that if you wanted to kill someone who was in Seanchan, then actually going to Seanchan might well help.

     

     

    Intersting...this was never mentioned once in the books.

     

    Perrin brought that group of Aiel into TAR and out again. It is just another form of travelling and does not have anything to do with Dreaming.

     

    Thus, Perrin can bring Mat into TAR, game over.

     

    Perrin can also assassinate people at will...appear and dissappear at will. The Slayer was sent to take out Rand after all. 


  9. Shadar Haran is the Hand of the Shadow.  He was basically a physical manifestation of the Dark One.  It would have absolutely made no sense to have physical confrontation between Rand and the Dark One.

     

    Why not? Rand confronts the physical manifestation of Shai'tan (ToM) and defeats it and goes onto to take on the real Shai'tan (AMOL). That would have been epic.

     

    ToM really had far too much filler. 


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    How can Callandor survive the True Power balefire from Ishamael in book2? TP destroys cuendillar. In Rand PoV, the Light of Callandor outshined the balefire stream...

     

    Well, that battle happened in Tel'aran'rhiod. Maybe it had something to do with it? Perrin could stop balefire, so maybe Callandor can too, while in Dream World?

     

    I'd say it was Rand, not Callandor. Rand probably, out of rage or Callandor-fueled madness, believed that Callandor would part the balefire, and so it did.

     

    This would make sense.

     

    However, I am not entirely sure that Callandor cannot stop balefire in Randland.

     

    How does one create a sa'angreal that taps both the OP and TP? Had to be a male AS who had access to both...if Callandor was created with OP/TP (cuendillar), it would be truly indestructable. 


  11. Yes, it was an epic let down, just like Fain.

     

    SH really served no purpose. By LoC, likely Moridin was already resurrected and could have done whatever SH could do and more.

     

    Given what was shown about SH's capabilities, I was hoping Rand or Fain would confront him. Given Rand Sedai's capabilities in book13...that would have been an epic battle.


  12. It doesn't make any sense it would be Perrin vs. Mat.  Mat is heading off to Seanchan..the Dragon's Peace will be in place this time.

     

    Perrin is just too powe4rful for Mat.

     

    Hell, Perrin could kill a gholam now...since he can bring people/things to TAR...once in TAR, it is all Perrin. Damane, rinse repeat. Mat, same thing...anyone, same thing.


  13. Callandor/Excalibur proved to be the trumph card.

     

    How could AS create a sa'angreal to access the TP?

     

    How can Callandor survive the True Power balefire from Ishamael in book2? TP destroys cuendillar. In Rand PoV, the Light of Callandor outshined the balefire stream...

     

    How could Rand with Callandor Rand wield more of saidin than at the Cleansing or ever...when he was about the destroy the world in 1 blow (Logain PoV AMOL). Sure it has no buffer, still..And wield at least as much TP from Moridin.

     

    In the end, One Sword to Rule Them All. 


  14. It is RJ's series, of course he would have done better, especially with his background. 

     

    Could another author have done better than Brandon? Debateable, but I find it very doubtful. The scale and scope of WoT would have made that difficult.

     

    I am just glad the series was finished.


  15. Gawyn sneak attack succeeding (very realistic given he had on 3 RINGS) or Lan gets near him via stealth...Demandred attacks with the Power and is shocked and gets stabbed through the heart by Lan.

     

    Not realistic that he would have one-on-one fights with 3 bladeamasters, like some anime movie or that he would be an insanely great bladeamaster. Blademastery in AoL was merely a sport, Demandred may have killed a few dozen with a Power wrought blade during the 10 year War of Power.  

     

    One Power fight would have been futile, unless it was Rand+Callandor.  With the 2nd most powerful sa'angreal+72 channeler, almost LTT, even Fain with Mashadar would have lost. Mashadar was nowhere near as vast as Shadar Logoth. 

     

     

    "Realistically" of course, given Demandred's sa'angreal+72 channelers and abilites/almost LTT, he would have wrecked the Light armies, gone to SG and finish the Light armies there, kill the distracted Rand et al, finish off Fain. The series ends. The series ends like a horror movie, that would have been cool.  Only thing that could stop Demandred was Rand+Callandor (no buffer)...but such a struggle would have depleted Rand or burned him out...

     

    The entire problem boils down to this: Demandred was build up for so long and given his tools, even RJ would have trouble imo.


  16. Fain needed a longer build up and his wrecking of the Dark and Light forces should have been more detailed. 

     

    The T-1000 Darkhounds were raping the Light forces prior to Fain...If only we had a pit, I would love to see a gholam vs. T-1000.

     

     

     

    Shai'tan proved weak and pathetic in the end, Rand only had to close his hand to annihilate it.


  17.  

    Mat's knowledge of war is very extensive, several 100 years at least.

    Closer to 1500 years.

     

    He probably had knowledge for the Age/3000 years, however, he does not have the entire military knowledge of many men...only battles here and there.   Of course compared to any of the Great Captains and certainly Demandred, his knowledge of war was far far more extensive.  There is knowledge, then there is the gift/instinct that makes Mat the greatest general of all time.


  18.  

    Their is no content before Teotw, new spring was made after book 10. When robert jordan created the character he made him fit you cant say he would be fit from being out of trouble when robert jordan didnt write anything on him pre teotw to book 10. I could make up that he was super fat and he dieted for a year before they got to the two rivers and it is the same as you saying he would be fat if he didnt fight anyone. Its all pure speculation. Im just making the statement that them being stealthy and not fighting that many dark friends wouldnt have gotten the same training as a borderlander or tower warder who literally just train all day. Instead Lan and moiraine would be walking cross country non stop from country to country. Look at his massive treck accross the borderlands to tarwins gap he came accross no one when the brink of the last battle was upon them. Tower warders just train all day and if lans skill was to make sense he would have had tot rain more but in the end its a book and you can make up that moiraine is the best channeler and let robert jordan say it and it will make sense.

    According to Lan, people like him attract trouble and death. 

     

     

    Now

    if Lan was inactive while chasing these boys for 20 odd years, he would

    have grown relatively fat, soft and weak. Quite the opposite has

    occured, he is far more dangerous and lethal post New Spring.  In book,

    Perrin said a mouse could starve over the difference between Lan and

    Rhuarc. In book 8, Aviendha said she has never seen a more dangerous

    man. 

     

    Lan has gotten practice on the field, killing

    DF's, who they would have encountered in their search.  DF's are

    everywhere.  I doubt Moraine and Lan faced off against other Black Ajah

    or Warders, given they wanted to be stealthy, however this is not

    inconceivable...AS dissappear.

    For a fighter to stay in that kind of peak condition by the EoTW, he would have practicised.  It is that simple.

     

    Warder bound or not, at Lan's age, which is over 40 by the EoTW, if he has let himself go, it would have been next to impossible to be in his condition. 


  19. According to Lan, people like him attract trouble and death. 

     

    Now if Lan was inactive while chasing these boys for 20 odd years, he would have grown relatively fat, soft and weak. Quite the opposite has occured, he is far more dangerous and lethal post New Spring.  In book, Perrin said a mouse could starve over the difference between Lan and Rhuarc. In book 8, Aviendha said she has never seen a more dangerous man. 

     

    Lan has gotten practice on the field, killing DF's, who they would have encountered in their search.  DF's are everywhere.  I doubt Moraine and Lan faced off against other Black Ajah or Warders, given they wanted to be stealthy, however this is not inconceivable...AS dissappear.

     

     

    War of Power lasted 10 years, Mat's knowledge of war is very extensive, several 100 years at least. 


  20. Logain PoV: "channeling like none he'd ever felt before, not even at the cleansing. Such power".  

     

    Thus Rand was channeling much more saidin than at the Cleansing, likely enough to destroy the world in one blow (akin to the end of book 12) and this burned him out imo.

    However, given his contentement and RELIELF, there is no way he is going to commit suicide. "No saidin in the void, nothing. He paused, then smiled and felt an enormous relief".   

     

    Rand through Moridin was drawing most of the TP, easily enough to destroy the world in 1 blow.  Callandor has no upper limit given it has no buffer.  This is why Rand could destroy Shai'tan, due to the titanic amount of Power he was wielding (TP/saidin). Perhaps the Power of the Choden Kal may have been insufficient to destroy Shai'tan, even if saidin/saidar were not instantly tainted.  


  21. Forgive the butchered quote, this is from memory:

     

    'If you have a sword, and an Aiel has his hands and feet, its an even fight. If you're good.'

     

    Yes, the Aiel were far under utlized for sure, from their tiny presence and the Wise Ones pretty much being absent in the battle field.  

     

    There should have been 400,000-500,000 Aiel and at least 2,000 Wise Ones that can channel.   The Shadio alone had roughly 400 Wise Ones that can channel, one clan!

     

    Gaul took out 8 armed men by himself in book2...While he is a top tier Aiel, the Aiel are considered the best fighters in WoT and they played a minor part. 

     

    I always found Sanderson's Aiel a bit off, from Soriela to Amys.  The Aiel are complex, so this is not a big deal, however, their numbers were butchered in AMOL. 


  22. Frankly, I don't believe in this Hollow nonsense, Rand should have destroyed Shai'tan. Either Shai'tan pulled a fast one or it does not make sense. 

     

    Evil existed when Shai'tan was locked up.  Semirhage was corrupt to the bone according to all the Forsaken, prior to the Bore opening. So they must have had serial killers, murderers, rapists etc back in AoL before the Bore.

     

    Creator takes "no part", wouldn't that make the humans "Hollow" as well, since the Light side of the Force is absent???

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