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  1. 1/ Plot device, do you want an unstoppable Superman? Boring. Convenient numerous flaws found later aside. Same reason Choden Khal got wrecked.  

     

    2/ Logic would dictate balefire. Lanfear nearly wrecked it all, if not for Perrin. Moraine had various visions, it was miscalculation on her part, it's normal, nobody is perfect.  

     

    3/ At that time, Rand is at full OP strength (Tier 1, like Ishy and Rahvin), thus stronger than Sammael. However, Sammael is of course more skilled. Luring him there was good strategy. 

     

    That's all for now. 


  2. Cadsuane is definitely a Juggernaut. She had an angreal=top level of the men strength, ter'angreal like Mat's and with some extra features, Well ter'angreal, one detects a man's ability to channel, one that detects saidin/saidar in tiny amounts, armor ter'angreal etc and etc. 

     

    The Power rankings in the Companion are a bit strange. Her being stronger than Elayne, Egwene and Aviendha makes no sense and contradicts the books, unless we are talking about the 3 girl's current levels. So I wonder how much of this is Jordan's original vs. Team Jordan's conjectures. 


  3. I thought Rahvin would be tier 2 as well, bit shocking...However, he was certain he would wreck Lanfear. The author(s) stated that if LTT took over in book 5, Lanfear was toast. And Rand has not reached full OP strength in book 5. 

     

    Logain is ranked, but Taim is not.

     

    Not surprised that Alivia is as strong as Lanfear, I always suspected. However, Semirhage? Nowhere does it state or imply in the novels that she has crazy strength. This is RJ's scale, so it is canon. 

     

     

    Rand would wreck Jaime in a purely blademaster contest btw. Jaime is too weak mentally. 


  4. Direct vs. indirect weaves. Neither the original or the copies could stop indirect weaves.

     

    I doubt that even the original could stop Demandred+his sa'angreal. Too much raw power, the Weaves would be too large to disperse.

     

    Certainly Rand and the Choden Kal, nothing will stop. I seriously doubt that even the gholam could survive that much raw power directed at it. The Weaves would be earth shattering in size. At one point, Rand was the Death Star.

     

    Very doubtful that the ter'angreal could stop the True Power weaves. Even more doubtful that the gholam could, given that would be an affront to Shai'tan...Agnior was mad, doubtful he was that mad and stupid.


  5. Lan has fought essentially none stop and was half healed when he fought Demandred. Lan's POV stated that if he started fresh, things may have been different, not requiring the sheating the sword.

     

    Demandred having "centuries" of practice with the blade.

     

    Demandred did think Lan was LTT/presumably the #1 blademaster in AoL, stated nobody "in this AGE" could be that good, thus Lan > Jearom.

     

    I would assume that Demandred was #2 blademaster in AoL and Demandred Pov in River of Souls stated he thought nobody was his better with the sword given his recent practice.

     

    Lan > Rand > Galad > Gawyn, according to BS. Galad and Gawyn never stood a chance against Demandred.


  6. Yes, Rand does have God like powers in the last 2 books, after his moment at Dragonmount.

     

    Brandon tries through Ishamael, but fails miserably to stating it is all tricks (which makes absolutely no sense given the decriptions of what Rand has done).

     

    I think Brandon when a bit overboard with Rand's capabilities and was trying to make pull back. However, the last scene in the books was all RJ...lightining the pipe. 


  7. Is there any way to read Unfetterd without buying the whole River of Souls anthology?  (legally, that is)

     

    While I brought it cheap with Amazon, it is not worth it.

     

    It is 12 pages long (not 13 really, given 1/2 page intro and 1/2 page "conclusion"). You are not missing anything.

     

     

     

     

    Spoilers below:

     

    Demandred goes to fight a Worm to become a sexy, slim Wildthing. Yawn. Demandred gets a final piece of Suckernan. End of story.


  8. I agree it made no sense.

     

    Sarkenan was only a little more powerful than Callandor and Callandor having no buffer theoretically has "no limit". According to Logain PoV, the amount of saidin drawn by Rand was greater than at the Cleansing.

     

    The Light would have used Sarkenan, CK if they had the opportunity. Rand was also an utter fool to destroy the male CK. It is just a plot device of course.

     

    World War type, nukes, chemical, bilogical, drones, droids...all will be used.

     

    As for this short story, it was soooo short, could have easily fit into AMOL prologue.


  9. I would Perrin would have 19 strength, Lan 18/00 and Rand slightly below.  I believe at 18/00, able to lift 400 pounds. Perrin can likely lift 500-600 pounds straight up. In the real world, men have lifted far more.

     

    Dex, both Lan and Mat 19.

     

    Rand's intelligence score far too low. Rand 18 (Wisdom 18 after LTT integration), Egwene should be 17. Rand had to learn on the fly, adapt like crazy, mass manipulations, in the end he manipulated Egwene et al very well..out fox all the Forsaken (now and AoL), beat Shai'tan...

     

    Someone like Einstein would be 19, highest human IQ is probably Leonardo Da Vinci...INT of 20.

     

    Lan is the best fighter in the series, STR, DEX, CON: 18, 19, 18, would be a level 20-25 fighter in D&D.

     

    Rand with all of LTT's knowlege and Dragon/Creator like powers: Level 50 mage, +10 CR for Dragon powers = 60 CR character. With the Choden Kal, Greater Diety.


  10. Rand making ancient trees appears within a few minutes, that is also impossible. Controlling the Pattern.

     

    Rand making DF's go mad by his very presence, impossible.

     

    Rand does many things which are impossible.

     

     

     

     

    In Mat's and Perrin's case, I see no control of the Pattern, just affecting probablities. Although Odin and Thor are great...Perrin becoming nearly an Unstoppable Juggernaut once he became the Grandmaster of TAR.


  11. Rand is influencing the Pattern pre SG, although to a limited area, which is countering Shai'tan's influence.  The sky, the trees, the fauna and freak accidents do not happen in his presence (3 mile radius or so). One with the Land, sure, but that is controlling the Pattern directly. Supposedly ta'avern can't do this, but there it is.

     

    Post SG, his Powers have moved to another level.


  12. Grandael could be the most skilled female Forsaken in One Power usage. She certainly had no fear of confronting Lanfear (book 5), even though Lanfear is stronger. The only one Grandael feared confronting was LTT.

     

    Grandael was also in a circle with several Aes Sedai slaves, thus she was able to combat Avienhda's circle, Amys circle, Cadusane and Aliva ...however she did this simultaneously!

     

    Moghdien is a pretty pathetic villian, but she is the weakest of the pack, beside Asmodean. 


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    But these two were afraid of him. He used them to spread the belief that he had some special power.

    According to some, one of Verin's Last Letters was to Rand, speculation has it that she named those two as somewhat powerful darkfriends. Rand is seen pocketing a letter with a distinctive red seal.

     

     

     

    According to Moridin, he just embraced the source so he could hear their heartbeats. He didn't accuse them of anything. He said "So it IS you"  That's when they gave themselves away. He never even spoke an accusation.  He just told them to tell others of their.... associations that they could no longer hide among his friends. It was all a bluff. 

    That doesn't quite make sense to me.  The first time he did it there would be no reason their heart rates would increase because they wouldn't know he could do that.  Also, while we have seen plenty of cowardly darkfriend's, there are also some brave, heartless types who I don't think would start to panic and give themselves away to Rand.

     

    I also have a query about how the Jesus-Rand quote.  My interpretation of it was that saying he wasn't Jesus referred to the fact that he didn't have any particular protection/special relationship to the Creator.  I don't really see how it parallels to Jesus with regard to his tricks/powers.  Historical evidence suggests that most of Jesus' miracles were not miracles but good and noble deeds which became vastly exaggerated in the telling.  So I find it a bit confusing. 

     

    Rand has his miracles, rose from the dead. Rand is connected to the Creator's, the Creator's Chosen One. The Creator communicates with Rand twice (while not confirmed, the evidence strongly points to this being the Creator).

     

    Where does Rand rise from the dead, aside from the Moridin bodyswap (which granted, can happen in ANY magic series)?

     

     

    All religions are man made, we have to ignore any evidence, historical or otherwise. 

    I don't know if that was intended to be sarcastic, but that is a very offensive statement for those who believe otherwise. I would appreciate it if you would modify your statement, thanks  :smile:

     

     

    This is similar to Jesus rising from the dead.

     

    As for that latter comment, just stating a fact and in no way meant to be offensive.


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    According to Moridin, he just embraced the source so he could hear their heartbeats. He didn't accuse them of anything. He said "So it IS you"  That's when they gave themselves away. He never even spoke an accusation.  He just told them to tell others of their.... associations that they could no longer hide among his friends. It was all a bluff. 

    That doesn't quite make sense to me.  The first time he did it there would be no reason their heart rates would increase because they wouldn't know he could do that.  Also, while we have seen plenty of cowardly darkfriend's, there are also some brave, heartless types who I don't think would start to panic and give themselves away to Rand.

     

    I also have a query about how the Jesus-Rand quote.  My interpretation of it was that saying he wasn't Jesus referred to the fact that he didn't have any particular protection/special relationship to the Creator.  I don't really see how it parallels to Jesus with regard to his tricks/powers.  Historical evidence suggests that most of Jesus' miracles were not miracles but good and noble deeds which became vastly exaggerated in the telling.  So I find it a bit confusing. 

     

     

    All religions are man made, we have to ignore any evidence, historical or otherwise. 

     

    Rand has his miracles, rose from the dead. Rand is connected to the Creator's, the Creator's Chosen One. The Creator communicates with Rand twice (while not confirmed, the evidence strongly points to this being the Creator).


  15. According to Moridin, he just embraced the source so he could hear their heartbeats. He didn't accuse them of anything. He said "So it IS you"  That's when they gave themselves away. He never even spoke an accusation.  He just told them to tell others of their.... associations that they could no longer hide among his friends. It was all a bluff. 

     

    This is Brandon trying to pre-retcon Jesus Rand. Moridin assumes quite a lot and Rand stated Moridin's vision is small to Shaitan, who agreed but said he was a useful tool.

     

    Only when they shied away from him because the "Light" was he sure they were DF's from what I recalled of that confrontation. DF's also went made at Maradon due to the "Light". 


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    I thought the grass/flowers growing was connected to the Aiel song of growing?

    It was. That has been confirmed by Brandon(not that it needed to be, we see him singing). Although his improved mood and "one with the land" Fisher King deal helped.

     

    Again lets put Jesus Rand to bed:

     

    Brandon

    ...one of the big things that made Team Jordan uncomfortable was Jesus Rand. I told them “It’s gonna work, because when you get to…” Harriet was like, “We can’t make him a deity. He can’t be a deity: he’s a person.” I’m like, “Don’t worry. When you read the last book, it will all come together, that he’s human.”

     

     

    Stopping a full circle shield, woven by at least 13 channelers (Taim would be chosing his strongest Asha'man/Black Ajah and very likely leading the circle himself). Titan.

     

    He became much closer to diety after AMOL. He battled Shai'tan (equally as powerful as the Creator) and defeated it and had the Power to destroy it.

    Thus  for a very brief momment, Rand's Power level >= Creator = Shai'tan.

     

    Lastly, lighting the pipe without the presence of any Power. Unique reality altering powers.

     

    Oh I agree post SG he ascended to new powers based on his experience with the pattern. I also know there are a few things I would be interested to hear explanations for such as blinding the DF's. Bottom line though, post VoG but pre SG he was not Jesus Rand.

     

     

    Post VoG, he did amazing things that no other mortal could do. Apples, growth of various agriculture, impact on DF's, amazing feats at Maradon, combat against a full circle...Jesus Rand.

     

    Post SG he is closer to Creator Rand.

     

    If the point of AMOL was to ensure that Rand was merely just another mortal, then something along the lines of the following needed to be done:

     

    1/ Full circle vs Rand never happens

    2/ Minor agricultural growth but that is it

    3/ Merely repairing the patch and no direct confrontation with the all powerful Shai'tan

    4/ Most importantly no lighting of the pipe

     

    I fully believe post AMoL it was supposed to be ambiguous(in fact Brandon has said as much). Personally I think he has new powers after being that close to the pattern now. Regardless we have a clear quote for post VoG explaining no Jesus Rand at that time. He is the DR/one with the land however and that goes along way. Again though I would like to hear him put on the spot about the DF putting his eyes out. Just about everything else has been totally explained.

     

     

    I almost forgot the Light in his mind protecting him from the taint. He also rose from the dead like Jesus.

     

    Certainly no mere mortal post VoG and post SG.


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    I thought the grass/flowers growing was connected to the Aiel song of growing?

    It was. That has been confirmed by Brandon(not that it needed to be, we see him singing). Although his improved mood and "one with the land" Fisher King deal helped.

     

    Again lets put Jesus Rand to bed:

     

    Brandon

    ...one of the big things that made Team Jordan uncomfortable was Jesus Rand. I told them “It’s gonna work, because when you get to…” Harriet was like, “We can’t make him a deity. He can’t be a deity: he’s a person.” I’m like, “Don’t worry. When you read the last book, it will all come together, that he’s human.”

     

     

    Stopping a full circle shield, woven by at least 13 channelers (Taim would be chosing his strongest Asha'man/Black Ajah and very likely leading the circle himself). Titan.

     

    He became much closer to diety after AMOL. He battled Shai'tan (equally as powerful as the Creator) and defeated it and had the Power to destroy it.

    Thus  for a very brief momment, Rand's Power level >= Creator = Shai'tan.

     

    Lastly, lighting the pipe without the presence of any Power. Unique reality altering powers.

     

    Oh I agree post SG he ascended to new powers based on his experience with the pattern. I also know there are a few things I would be interested to hear explanations for such as blinding the DF's. Bottom line though, post VoG but pre SG he was not Jesus Rand.

     

     

    Post VoG, he did amazing things that no other mortal could do. Apples, growth of various agriculture, impact on DF's, amazing feats at Maradon, combat against a full circle...Jesus Rand.

     

    Post SG he is closer to Creator Rand.

     

    If the point of AMOL was to ensure that Rand was merely just another mortal, then something along the lines of the following needed to be done:

     

    1/ Full circle vs Rand never happens

    2/ Minor agricultural growth but that is it

    3/ Merely repairing the patch and no direct confrontation with the all powerful Shai'tan

    4/ Most importantly no lighting of the pipe


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    I thought the grass/flowers growing was connected to the Aiel song of growing?

    It was. That has been confirmed by Brandon(not that it needed to be, we see him singing). Although his improved mood and "one with the land" Fisher King deal helped.

     

    Again lets put Jesus Rand to bed:

     

    Brandon

    ...one of the big things that made Team Jordan uncomfortable was Jesus Rand. I told them “It’s gonna work, because when you get to…” Harriet was like, “We can’t make him a deity. He can’t be a deity: he’s a person.” I’m like, “Don’t worry. When you read the last book, it will all come together, that he’s human.”

     

     

    Stopping a full circle shield, woven by at least 13 channelers (Taim would be chosing his strongest Asha'man/Black Ajah and very likely leading the circle himself). Titan.

     

    He became much closer to diety after AMOL. He battled Shai'tan (equally as powerful as the Creator) and defeated it and had the Power to destroy it.

    Thus  for a very brief momment, Rand's Power level >= Creator = Shai'tan.

     

    Lastly, lighting the pipe without the presence of any Power. Unique reality altering powers.

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