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Forgemage

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  1. 'Aes Sedai work. One thing to hear about it, another to see it, and touch it. You know that don't you? For an instant it seemed to Rand that a shadow rippled through the milk-white structure.' Page 380 TEoTW I can't remember where but I'm convinced I have seen RJ mention it in interviews that this line would be explained.
  2. Sorry my abbreviation PoD referred to his final battle with the DO in the Pit of Doom. My mistake
  3. This could already have been mentioned somewhere else but I was just wondering if anyone have information on what the shadow at Whitebridge in EotW was. RJ had said that it would be explained, i think.
  4. Despite the source of his 'tricks' the fact is that he is able to pull out a lot more than any normal channeler should be able to do. And I agree that Jesus Rand is not what it's about, quite the opposite, he in fact has less freedom and less control than anyone in Randland. He is a tool of the Pattern, a corrective mechanism built into Creation, now his powers does not make him a God, God-like is just a term to reference his comparative level of strength. The crucial part I think is the awesome display at Maradon. A feat that is so much more than channeling, he's like a Sa'ngreal without a buffer, likewise at the final scene in the PoD, he wield so much power that the issue of channeling strength completely loses its meaning. Yes he is the Dragon Reborn, a man, but as the Pattern seeks to correct its own annhiliation it forces the issue and Rand is able to transcend the boundaries of channeling. Why would he be burnt out. He's acting in concert with his nature. And in the epilogue he can no longer channel, but he can manipulate reality, another task clearly awaits him, one that no longer necessitates him being part of the regular power hierarchy of channelers or men in genberal. He is the tool of the Pattern, time and time again. The Creator's chosen one. he will have as much power as he needs, however there is I think a caveat, because he is human he can only wield as much power as his mind is willing to accept. humility and complete acceptance to be a pawn of creation allowed him to super-boost in this cycle. LTT was too entrenched in his reliance on his civilizations sense of superiority and reliance on technology.
  5. 'That couldn't have happened without the TP which only the DO can grant however.' True but the choice to employ it was the Forsaken's, had they been better people they'd never chosen to use it, despite it's destructive and seductive qualities. And it reinforces the point that the DO supplies the goods as it were but he nneds living minds to actually do the deeds. 'The bore is everywhere, it doesn't exist in one place. The blight was created by the DO's taint on the land.' Also true but story-wise Shayol Ghul and the Pit of Doom is the epicentre of his power on earth. regardless of the nature of the Bore that's where his touch and influence is strongest. and only the immediate area around the Pit, the Blasted Lands are actually devoid of life. The Blight itself although twisted actually supports a great deal of life, the Trolloc hordes need to eat and several times in the book Blight-crops are mentioned and the eco-system in the Blight is balanced, albeit a deadly world it functions. which leads to the supposition that the part where the 'thinning' of the Pattern is strongest is where life is void. Not the Blight itself. Besides a truly cyclical world where mistakes are bpound to happen with absolutely no chance of breaking it holds as little freedom as one where the DO is either dead or absolutely victorious.
  6. Hello long time lurker and loving it. My thought is this. The Dragon is The Chosen One, he is the answer to the incursion from the DO, he is whatever the Pattern needs him to be. In the AoL LTT sealed the Bore, albeit imperfectly, but he did not have the almost God-like powers that Rand displayed at the end of the series. Because he didn't need it! he had the advanced powers of the AoL to help him. And the reason for the War of Power in the first place was arrogance and a thirst for power. Had the Pattern produced a full blown Dragon with Rand powers, the Breaking would not have happened and the arrogance and greed would have continued. in this Age the people are influenced much harder by the DO and they don't have the advantages of AoL technology, so a more powerful Dragon is needed. Now to the point. People that can channel can tap into the OP along very controlled and strict lines. Lines that cannot be broken. Initially Rand seems to be like them, however once he has embraced his destiny and shed his arrogance and rage his power multiplies exponentially and in the final scenes he manipulates the very fabric of creation. in the epilogue he reaches for the OP and can't access it. He is the Dragon, his job is done, the ability to channel no longer necessary, therefore it's gone. In a normal channeler this would never happen. it's there until severed or burned out. I don't think either of those things happened to Rand. I think he's the Dragon, a mechanism of the Pattern using a very special soul. his abilities will be as small or huge as is needed. So in a sense I don't think Rand was ever a channeler.... in the traditional sense.
  7. Hello, long time lurker and loving it, thought I'd share a theory of mine pertaining to the cyclical nature of the wheel and why I think that the cycle can, and will be broken without freeing the DO and dooming the world to his dubious mercy. In my opinion the whole concept of a cyclical time like the WoT is an allegory for the education of man by God or in Randland the Creator. Following creation the DO's prison is intact and even though his influence is felt as an ethereal presence inciting the choice of evil in the world he cannot touch the world directly, he cannot speak to humans or effect events within the Pattern. as humanity grows in sophistication and develop more and more advanced technology. (that's exactly what the AoL is, a technologically advanced society, albeit their primary energy source is the OP rather than fusion or fission or whatever, still a technologically advanced society.) At some point the sophistication of said technology allows them to detect the DO, outside of reality. (quite a feat that...) they break reality and the DO can influence humanity directly. Anger, hate, destruction, war, all nastiness essentially is unleashed from the vaults of the human mind. Now nothing that happened during the War of Power was the DO doing it himself. Shadowspawn? Aginor created them, The incursion of the Bore created the Blight and humanity ie the Forsaken did the rest. Humanity rallied and LTT sealed the Bore, imperfectly. That's what happened. Now the AoL was technologically advanced but as it is in our own society, technological advancement and social or ethical or compassionate evolution is far slower. Are we better people than our ancestors? we still wage war and kill and maim, albeit with better weapons. So my thought is to break the wheel of time's cyclical component the next AoL need to have the race of man evolved to a point where these impulses that he unleashed in man are dealt with much better. An ethically evolved race of man. if the Bore is opened but war and destruction is not the consequence but calm appreciation and an eventual solution, a seal without the Breaking so to speak. If a Dragon is not needed to save the world but the human race save themselves the cycle would be broken and humanity would continue to evolve. I think the whole concept of the cyclical nature of the Wheel is akin to the Aiel appreciation of the Waste. A testing ground. When humanity is worthy enough to save themselves, they will break the cycle.
  8. Well it's ok now that we have more books afterwards but when CoT came out... Not a happy puppy then...
  9. Hello, first time posting for a year... I think the Steddings are not apart from the pattern at all. I think that at the arrival of the Ogier from, well wherever they came from, the lands where they first made landing changed. This in response to the way the travelled. a sort establishment of beachheads inherent in the way the Book of Translation works. I think that whatever the Book of Translation does when it travels it ensures that the Ogier using it can survive where they make landing. This change, brought on where the Ogier came through is permanent. This change would stay with the location, not the land itself. sort of like a Randland equivalent of GPS, if the landmass below changes shape it does nothing to the GPS coordinates so to speak. This would explain the comments early on in the series that the Steddings stayed the same but the land changed during the Breaking. In essence, I think the Steddings are a by product of the method the Ogier employes to travel between worlds. a safeguard to ensure their survival.
  10. Perhaps, but I wonder at the level of their technology, all the great researchers we've heard about through the series have all been channelers. perhaps their technology was based on the power, perhaps not a hundred percent directly, but their advancements all seem linked to the Power.
  11. A few thoughts on the Final Battle and the nature of the Power. The ability to channel the One Power seems to be linked to a genetic curiousity in a few humans. That it is linked to genetics is fairly clear as it follows bloodlines. (and also the Reborn Souls) The Reborn Souls ability to channel seems to superced the biological aspect. Anyway there are hints in the last few books that the reliance on the Power as a vehicle for progress (as in the AoL) might be coming to an end. The hints that the newly invented steam engine will transform the world. also the emergence of militarized use of gunpowder. in our own history these inventions did transform the world and heralded new technological advancement. however why would any of these things matter if by the end of Tarmon Gai'don the Power is cleansed and male and female Aes Sedais once more can access it freely. It wouldn't. what would spark the need for technological advancement if the Power can do all the things technology can, but better and faster. So I think that the Final Battle will see the end of the usage of the Power itself. How. well it seems unlikely that it would somehow be culled from the human race, after all if the genetic peculiarity that allows channeling could come about once it sure would again, and this is not even counting the Reborn Souls angle. So I think there might be something else happening at the Final Battle. I think that the relationship between the Power, the Wheel and The Pattern itself will change. remove the relationship between these things and regardless of genetics or Rebirth humans would be unable to touch the One Power as it's no longer suffucing reality. The Death if Time might not be a bad thing as it would sever the connection between The One Power and the Pattern. And without this link the DO would have no interest or capacity to reach the world. What do you think?
  12. I think it predates AoL, linked to the wheel as it is it might not even have anything to do with the Power.
  13. Only meant as a hypothetical question, however it underlines something interesting, The Power as the ultimate cause of the whole DO problem.
  14. Just thought I'd throw the idea out there and see what you think.
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