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Review of "The Eye of the World"


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  • Rebecca takes a look at The Wheel of Time season 1 finale.


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The weight of expectations from long-time fans of The Wheel of Time book series going into this season 1 finale episode can’t be overstated. I wouldn’t be surprised to find this episode the most polarizing of the season, depending on how much your metaphorical loins were girded for changes heading into it. Speaking for myself, I was a huge fan of the setup we got in episode 7, “The Dark Along The Ways,” the ending of which had Moiraine heading into the Blight with Rand alone, her Bond to Lan masked. This prepared me for not having the whole group journey to the Eye. Knowing that the unexpected departure of Barney Harris as Mat would necessitate rewrites also prepared me for differences. To be honest, I didn’t have a lot of specific expectations for how the plot of the season-ender would play out. I always felt certain aspects of the ending of The Eye of the World were confusingly written and wouldn’t play well on screen and this was an opportunity to streamline. As it turned out, I was a huge fan of the way one major change in particular played out, and confused by one or two others. But ultimately, the episode needed to provide a satisfying conflict between Light and Shadow, hit some key character moments, and leave us questioning and wanting more. On all of those points it delivered.

 

The cold open had us jumping back 3,000 years to the Age of Legends and the final confrontation between Lews Therin Telamon and Latra Posae Decume, notably portrayed by Alexander Karim and Katie Brayben in the Old Tongue. This is a scene that hinted at but does not explain the full context of this argument. Lews Therin has a plan to cage the Dark One that Latra Posae believes is too risky and arrogant and will not support. Lews Therin is undeterred by her refusal and as he tells his infant child, he means to do what he believes is right to protect them anyway. Following this scene, we know that Lews Therin led his strike with only 99 male Companions, because Latra Posae convinced all the female Aes Sedai to side with her. The Dark One’s counterstroke caused the corruption on the male half of the One Power, which led to the Breaking and why men can no longer channel without eventually succumbing to madness.

 

I believe most of the above can be gleaned from the scene itself and by other information we are given throughout the season, but I am curious to see what the reaction to this scene will be from non-readers. At this point in book history the devastating War of Power had been fought for at least the past 10 years and there was no evidence of that in this scene. Perhaps they are changing this history in order to better show the height of the Age of Legends. That was one aspect of the scene that I did really enjoy seeing, the costume and set choices and the vista outside the window which all perfectly convey a futuristic and timeless quality, and better establish the primary timeline as post-apocalyptic. But perhaps there was a missed opportunity to better convey the stakes and the tension in this conversation between Lews Therin and Latra Posae if they had retained the wartime element.

 

The biggest focus of the episode, rightly so, was Rand and Moiraine in the Blight and at the Eye of the World. Rafe Judkins spoke in an interview with Nerdist about the decision to put Nynaeve and Egwene at Tarwin’s Gap and Perrin and Loial recovering the Horn of Valere, instead of journeying with Rand. Ultimately I liked the decision to have core characters to focus on in each location and to allow for deeper development of Rand and Moiraine particularly with the tighter focus on them. The claustrophobic set choice for the Blight worked well for scenes between two, but if they had journeyed as a group, it likely would not have allowed for scenes such as the one between Lan and Nynaeve before she sends him off into the Blight hoping he will bring Rand back. That scene was everything book fans will have been hoping for, right down to some exact quotes from Lan many of us might have memorized. It’s the culmination of something the show has given us that the book could not, watching the development of Lan and Nynaeve falling in love. But as all season finales should do, it also leaves us wanting more.

 

As for Rand and Moiraine, we got to see some wonderfully subtle character moments from them, such as Rand finding the strength to tell Moiraine to stay behind when they reach the Eye and her disregarding his attempt to protect her. And the reversal of Rand asking for answers Moiraine will not give at the start, to her final question of him, “Where will you go?” And his reply, “Goodbye, Moiraine.” But the heart of it comes in each of their interactions with The Man at the Eye (Fares Fares). One of my favorite decisions in this adaptation thus far is to change Rand’s confrontation at the Eye to one of a psychological and moral struggle, not a battle with the One Power. It ties in perfectly with major themes from the books and ultimately Rand’s decision to leave the vision of the perfect life he dreams of because he recognizes that Egwene would choose differently is a beautiful one.

For Moiraine’s part, she is immediately left with few choices as she is cut off from channeling. The Man taunts her with her lack of knowledge of whether Rand will choose the Light or the Dark, and while she makes clear she is prepared to kill Rand if he does choose the Shadow, the uncertainty she faces brings the tension to a razor’s edge. As the episode goes on the scenes cutting back and forth from one subplot to another get shorter and shorter as the tension increases. Finally, Rand stands between The Man and Moiraine and while it may seem Rand has defeated The Man too easily, we can see a subtle hint of a smile on The Man’s face as the cuendillar seal beneath their feet cracks. Perhaps this has been his plan all along.

 

While I loved the Moiraine and Rand threads in this episode from start to finish, the other threads were more mixed for me. Perrin had a lovely moment with Egwene at the beginning of the episode, offering her unconditional friendship, which I felt was a perfect cap to the threads left hanging off the blowup up between the Two Rivers characters in episode 7. But he did languish a bit in the middle of the episode. Loial got a chance to say the right thing at the right time to Perrin, telling him if he wants to help but doesn’t know how, simply to ask. This leads them to help Uno and his small group of Shienarans recover the Horn of Valere. Unfortunately, Perrin’s hesitation to pick up an axe may have cost some of those men their lives when Padan Fain and two Fades attack and steal the Horn. Fortunately, Rafe Judkins confirmed to Comic Book Resources that we did not see the end of Loial son of Arent son of Halan. I wouldn’t want to see the fan riot if they had killed our beloved Ogier in this way.

Fain’s monologue to Perrin, before he escapes with the Horn (and the Shadar Logoth dagger!) was a fantastic way to finish the main action of the episode. He confirms his own status as a Darkfriend and that the Shadowspawn were not sent to kill the five of them, but to bring them to the Dark One. He believes at least one of them will turn to the Dark, which is said ominously over the only sight of Mat in the episode, a shot of him walking through Tar Valon, looking rougher again and hinting at where things may pick up for him in season 2. It is these words from Fain which finally convince Perrin to pick up that axe and that is a momentous moment for him given the journey he has been on this season.

 

The battle at Tarwin’s Gap had some cool moments, though the combat scenes seem to have suffered slightly due to the reality of Covid-19 restrictions, preventing the use of stunt performers as Trollocs. Instead, CGI was used for the Shadowspawn in these scenes and as a result there was less ability to do shots of close combat, such as we saw in episode 1. The loss of Agelmar was effectively set up by the scene earlier in the episode between him and Lady Amalisa. But it was Amalisa’s role in the battle that packed the most punch. Seeing her ready the women of the city in her father’s armor, and then the beautifully shot scenes of her leading a circle of women and channeling an immense amount of power to destroy the wave of Shadowspawn that broke through the fortress was awesome. We get to really see how dangerous and seductive than much of the Power can be, as she burns out not only herself but two of the other women linked to her.

 

That brings me to the one aspect of this episode I really can’t get behind. Nynaeve and Egwene as part of this circle can feel themselves starting to burn out as well. Nynaeve says a touching goodbye to Egwene as she takes the Power running through Egwene into herself and then it appears Nynaeve is burned out and/or killed as well. Egwene certainly seems to think so, but yet she channels and her weaves Heal Nynaeve. In hindsight it is absolutely clear that Nynaeve never was burned out or dead, only injured, and this much Egwene has managed to Heal. However, the scene was certainly presented in a way to make the audience think Nynaeve was dead or at least burned out and these things Egwene should not be able to Heal. I simply don’t think the fakeout was necessary and it may have cheapened the moment as well, particularly in an episode where we have some other apparent deaths (Loial and Uno) which will turn out not to be fatal.

 

In contrast, I can appreciate the decision made to leave what exactly has happened to Moiraine uncertain. As she tells Lan when he finds her, she can no longer channel. From what we saw The Man do to her and from what we have seen previously of both shielding and severing with Logain, it looks most likely to me that Moiraine has been shielded and the weave was tied off so that its effects continue even though The Man is no longer there to maintain the shield. It is also possible, however, that she has actually been stilled. Either way, there is real heartbreak in the moment when she tells Lan she cannot unmask the Bond and they can no longer feel what the other one feels, on top of Moiraine’s own terrifying loss. I can understand why the show may want to leave this vague for the moment as a hook for next season. Whatever has happened to her will almost certainly inform her plot going forward, and it will be fascinating to see what Moiraine will do when she does not have access to this ability.

 

Finally, we get the ominous epilogue which introduces us to the Seanchan fleet and a somehow even more horrifying than expected glimpse of the damane and sul’dam as they approach the Western shore. Another effective hook for next season. “The Eye of the World” was an episode that made some bold choices in the writing by Rafe Judkins, most of which paid off or we can expect to pay off in next season. The production faced some real challenges in this episode, from the pandemic restrictions to the sudden loss of a core cast member (Barney Harris) necessitating rewrites. Those challenges for director Ciaran Donnelly showed more in this episode than it did the previous one, which I found nearly perfect, but the scope of what he was trying to accomplish in this one was also greater.

 

As hard as it is to finish a season and be left with burning questions that will not be answered for many months, I am glad to be in that position, wondering. Where will Rand go now that he has set off alone, wanting the others to believe him dead? I expect Perrin will be on the hunt for the Horn of Valere but who will join him? How will Mat be woven back into the story? What will Nynaeve and Egwene face in the White Tower? How will Moiraine fare without being able to channel? How will the loss of the Bond and Lan’s feelings for Nynaeve affect his relationship with Moiraine? The beauty of this adaptation so far is that even book readers don’t know exactly. Mystery and speculation have always been and will continue to be major draws that keep fans hooked on the series. I can’t wait to see what this team can do as they get deeper into the book material. Bring on season 2!




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3 hours ago, nicki_minajah said:

I will do it as a woman who has lived a handful of decades in a world that enforces certain gender-based actions and beliefs. But I am also a thousand other things--a writing professor, a TV addict, a bullet journaller, a middle child, a Texan, a Millennial...

Did you say you've lived 50+ years but "identify" as a Millennial? ?

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nicki_minajah,

They also did a role reversal in that flashback, making Latra Posae Decume the Tamyrlin Seat. So, LTT is rebelling against her (expressly female and speaking for all women who can channel) authority in the show. It makes for a very different dynamic, as it removes the nuance of her having her own cockamamie plan to use the Choedan Kal. 

 

The show seems very inconsistent here. We won't come out and say that saidar and saidin are two different things, but even in the Age of Legends, we'll tut-tut about dangerous men who can channel. The finale blurred the lines quite a bit on how, exactly, saidin works. When Ishamael gives Rand a channeling lesson, it sounds a bit like a twisted version of the Flame and the Void, but then he uses language of surrender not unlike how earlier episodes described channeling saidar. Contrast that with the books, where channeling saidin is described more like wrestling with an alligator. Also, Moiraine dodges the question when Rand asks her for help, which would have been a perfect time for her to say, "Sorry, sheepherder. It doesn't work like that."

 

I have to think anyone who reads the books after first watching the show is going to feel like they've been baited and switched. 

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I guess that Lan will go through a depressive phase in season 2 like Steppin went through in episode 5, right? I mean, I think that was the point of that episode, otherwise it'll not make much sense. 

 

The show hasn't established that the oaths sworn in the oath rod stop working when you're stilled or shielded. So Moiraine probably thinks she's stilled and still under the oaths, and can't return to Tar Valon.

 

By the way, much of the lore has changed or has been portrayed different. My guess is that there wasn't a Bore, the Dark One has always been free and Lews Therin's "sin" of arrogance was trying to cage the Dark One to stop evil from existing. This will tie with Rand's decision in the end of allowing evil to exist as he learns free will is more important. The problem with doing that, though, is that it changes a lot of stuff, so we don't know why the Forsaken exist or why they're feared if there's no war of power.

 

Regarding the finale, it was underwhelming. I understand how covid made things difficult, but most show watchers aren't going to realize this, and will just think the show is bad. The supposed big conflict between  Rand and "the Dark One" was over before you could see it. No swelling or exciting music, very weird editing, and little time spent on it. The first One Power duel between Rand and a Forsaken lasted 5 seconds. Does Rand still have the sa'angreal?

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15 hours ago, UnCrowned King said:

Did you say you've lived 50+ years but "identify" as a Millennial? ?

 

"Handful" means three to me. ? I'm 31.

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2 hours ago, nicki_minajah said:

"Handful" means three to me. ? I'm 31.

Who would have guessed the largest miscommunication between Millennials and GenX is three being a "Handful" or a "Few?" ? Or is that a guy/girl thing?  Male/Female? (him/her?) ?? I'm so old I still list the masculine first ? HINT (I was your age about the time PoD came out and we actually turned pages while reading)

 

I responded to Phoebe's earlier post with complete agreement! But it was M O D E R A T E D out because I referred to RJ as a F' ing LEGEND. (hopefully that falls within guidelines as I don't recall Dragonmount being so tyrannical back in the day). 

 

My comment was in reference to how one of the things that carried the books into legendary status was the dialogue in chat rooms centering around the contrast/conflict in gender.  Opinions flared O'plenty and made for fun discussions.  Also, for this young male in his 20's at the time, good insight into what being female was like.  Insight I never would have gained without those conversations.  The comments in regards to Egwene's struggle, and as one poster put it going from "Prairie girl to Amyrlin Seat," where monumental in the weaving of this series threads into this young man's IRL.  Going from the cringe worthy stage of "Wonder Girls" vs my beloved male Protagonist Trifecta, to (((IRL))) crying over the death of Egwene al'Vere the Amyrlin Seat, raised of no Ajah from Accepted, WWWOWWW!!! What a journey.  I'm not sure that story can be re-told to satisfaction by masking gender?  Big difference between 20+ years of page turning and mouse clicking, to one eight-episode season but is it fair to compare the two?  I believe it became fare the second you attached the Wheel of Time BRAND NAME to what came across as no more then a pilot season of fan fiction.  Gleeman's tales might promote the tv series till the end of this Age, but with so many fundamental aspects of an Age long past missing, and without the support of the pre-existing Fandom, that wind you feel blowing might not be an Age yet to come, but maybe just A Ending...

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On 12/29/2021 at 1:36 AM, Marquestor said:

In my mind, Loial is essentially Robert Jordan. That is, he is the chronicler of this epic tale, sometimes by being present during some of the events, and at others by interviewing the other characters, and piecing together rumors and relevant documents.

 

After I wrote the paragraph above (on another site), I got to thinking... Could Loial being stabbed by Padan Fain be seen as a metaphor for what the TV series has done to Robert Jordan's books? And on a side note (and one I won't really fight for), could his coming back in season 2 represent Brandon Sanderson?

 

Another thing about Loial, in the books, he is often easily mistaken for a Trolloc, but here, while his appearance may be somewhat off-putting, it is scarcely terrifying. I can not fault the actor, he does the best he can, with what he is given, and while his voice (even if it is somehow enhanced?) is acceptable, his appearance, not so much.

I think your looking too deeply, Matt was intended to be stabbed in episode 8, the actor wasn't available so they had to re write the ending. It makes it so much more impactful for perrin, he refuses to lift up the axe and as a result his best friend is stabbed by Fain 

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"I can’t wait to see what this team can do as they get deeper into the book material. Bring on season 2!"

 

Meanwhile I'm over here still waiting for them to get into the book material at all. The way things left off, the show isn't gonna get deeper into the book material. It's just gonna stray further and further away. 

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On 12/30/2021 at 6:39 AM, Nae_bliss said:

I guess that Lan will go through a depressive phase in season 2 like Steppin went through in episode 5, right? I mean, I think that was the point of that episode, otherwise it'll not make much sense. 

 

The show hasn't established that the oaths sworn in the oath rod stop working when you're stilled or shielded. So Moiraine probably thinks she's stilled and still under the oaths, and can't return to Tar Valon.

 

By the way, much of the lore has changed or has been portrayed different. My guess is that there wasn't a Bore, the Dark One has always been free and Lews Therin's "sin" of arrogance was trying to cage the Dark One to stop evil from existing. This will tie with Rand's decision in the end of allowing evil to exist as he learns free will is more important. The problem with doing that, though, is that it changes a lot of stuff, so we don't know why the Forsaken exist or why they're feared if there's no war of power.

 

Regarding the finale, it was underwhelming. I understand how covid made things difficult, but most show watchers aren't going to realize this, and will just think the show is bad. The supposed big conflict between  Rand and "the Dark One" was over before you could see it. No swelling or exciting music, very weird editing, and little time spent on it. The first One Power duel between Rand and a Forsaken lasted 5 seconds. Does Rand still have the sa'angreal?

When it came to the inconsistency I thought this pic said it well;

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On 12/31/2021 at 12:14 PM, Gothic Flame said:

When it came to the inconsistency I thought this pic said it well;

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No problem? I think it was a bit over the top but three women did die in the attempt. I agree that it made them far too powerful right away but I think they communicated the high cost.

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I agree with a lot of what's been written here. WOT seems like a the next sacrifice for the political correct/woke mentality and instead of choosing actors that can act and bring life and meaning, they provide bland uninspired performances. The eye of the world and the episode before it were extremely painful to watch for the following reasons:

- They never went to Tar Valon first, because Rand, Perrin & Mat had the same dream about the Dark One breaking the Eye of the world. This is important because Mat was cured (which took a circle of Aes Sedai instead of just Moiraine), only later after the battle with the Seanchan, and it meant that he still had the dagger when Padan Fain took it and the Horn of Valere. It made the whole attempt at rescue really important.

- Moiraine lacks the usual wisdom and air of wisdom that she is portrayed in the books and the fact that the Eye of the World is the Dark One's prison and that she was stilled, is a betrayal to her character. She is to battle Lanfear later on and save Rand. Her having power is a huge part of how she was still alive later.

- Also, at the Eye of the World, 2 forsaken were to have died.

- Moiraine did not mask her bond with Lan, especially when going into the blight. In general I found the character of Lan too emotional for how he was portrayed in the book. They are getting to the love story too quickly, when it took a long time to get there, which made it more satisfying. This understates their love story arch.

- Mat is not heading to the dark. He has a story of honour and valour, and mischief which is important to his character. If I had to guess, I would say political motivations about him being a womaniser and gambler, so they wanted to incinerate his character

- Perrin, while doubting his leadership skills, was never that sullen or sulky. The invention of a wife, cripples his character. 

- Rand was the one that saved the city from the trollocs and Lord Agelmar (he is to survive until the actual Last battle). this seems like giving women a power seen for the sake of it.

- They've reconstructed the narrative of the power so that they are the same, just that men are tainted and make it worse for the women and Rand can't be taught to channel by a woman because of that. This is far from the truth.

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On 12/26/2021 at 9:49 AM, UnCrowned King said:

BTW I'm just curious, with Moraine and Suanne being lovers and all, why wouldn't Suanne have taught Moraine how to open a Gateway? (that was how she traveled to her room, right?) (Lan didn't look supprised?) What need for the Ways?  What need even for horses at this point in the story? ? Terrible.  Guess that was also due to the Pandemic?

Okay, so... that's one of my most major rants for the SEASON.

Traveling is a Big. Freaking. Deal. It's been lost to time, and it's later rediscovery in the books is a Major Game Changer (a pretty substantive part of the stalemate between the Rebels and the Loyalists is the fact that the Rebels have Traveling and the Loyalists don't).

But Siuan and Moiraine can just use it to get to sexy time?

The other alternative is that the mirror takes you to T'A'R but that poses an entirely different set of plot issues - namely, again, this is an amazingly powerful artifact you two have kept hidden for the purposes of sexy time, and the fact there weren't the constant shifting of objects and such would imply either Siuan or Mo has an unbelievably high level of control there, which trivializes both the Aiel's mastery of that place and/or Egwene's growth there as the first dreamer since Corian (sp?)

Either way... WTF?

But there's more:

Using the oath rod to swear an oath the amyrlin is *UNHEARD OF* which is why it's so major when the DA Hunters do something similar later. There's too much reference for that artifact to use it like that.

Burning out during a link is impossible. That's also a plot point later - on both the Sul'Dam/Damane side and the Aes Sedai. It comes up during the discussion about the bowl of winds, too. It's similar to the notion that pulling power through an angreal or sa'angreal has a similar effect, and notably callandor DOESN'T have that restriction which is part of what makes it so damn unsafe to use.

Unrelated to The Power, but also annoying:

The horn was just sitting in a chest in Fal Dara where everyone knew about it? The Hunt for the Horn is a Big Freaking Deal and you know that if it was just sitting around in a chest it'd have been "discovered" a long time ago. We NEED the annual Hunt to happen, that's where we get the characters of Faile and Luc (and birgitte), and at various points in the story different characters pretend to be hunters for the horn. In all the attacks on Fal Dara, not one warrior has ever thought "damn the legend, I'm going to be The One and blow it NOW?!?" Seriously? That strains credulity.

Jenkins is breaking a LOT of rules here, and they're ones that will bite him in the ass in story later... I feel like he didn't read the later books so he doesn't know the consequences of what he's doing. And it was all unnecessary:

Make Moiraine simply swear the same oath never to return on her hope of salvation and rebirth. She's theoretically incapable of breaking that oath unless you know about how the black ajah's oaths work (which at THIS point does not appear anyone on the good side does).

Siuan and Mo use some conventional means of sneaking around to do sexy time. God knows with their history as pranksters in the White Tower (they were fred and george weasley before fred and george ever existed)

Just have the girls in the link in LOTS of pain (it IS exhausting, everyone after The Bowl was exhausted and beat to hell, and it took days to recover from the Cleansing). It makes Egwene's Heal less dramatic, but that's a good thing too.

The horn scene would have worked better than it did even in the books... Rand walks off, Lan walks up, Mo and Lan find the chest with the seal (WTF was the seal doing being so large anyway? HOLY HELL.. we've got to have them WITH us later so we can break them...), the horn and the dragon banner and they're the only ones who know. You do a zoom in on "the grave is no bar to my call" and that's the last cut we see of those two for the season.

ALL of that would have been *easier* (and cheaper in terms of CGI) than how they did it and BETTER for the story.

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On 12/28/2021 at 4:27 PM, hurin said:

Thanks for the review.   Being a massive WoT fan since the EoTW came out in 1990, it's hard for me to say anything positive about this series.  It's not that it's complete garbage, but it's the fact that they took such a phenomenal fantasy series and then strayed so far from the source material that it barely resembles - it actually doesn't - the same world.  You simply cannot deny that they purposefully - and for no good reason - made changes that they simply did not need to do.  They had a magical blueprint in Game of Thrones for how to adapt a book series to a TV series successfully and ignored it.  It's a simple blueprint, really:

 

1.  Cast the TV show characters to look very close to their book descriptions.  You can make some minor exceptions, but otherwise, stick to the book.  By doing this, you keep your fan base in the story.  The WoT series tried so hard for woke diversity that the casting makes no sense in the world that Robert Jordan built.  You watch the series and are constantly taken out of the story because the characters look nothing like they are described in the book.

 

I could live with "nothing like what they look like in the book" IF the decisions made sense. For instance: Emonds Field has been out in the middle of nowhere for MANY generations, since the breaking, and hasn't even seen a tax collector from andor in the last couple hundred years (to the point many don't REALLY even think of themselves as Andoran) - at that point there'd be a pretty homogenous population. They'd all look pretty similar racially speaking, with the reasonable exception of Rand (who should at LEAST look enough like the rest of them that "which is the one born outside the two rivers" isn't an immediately obvious answer). I don't care if the entire Emond's Field cast was black, which would go against the books BUT it's not a detail critical to characters - they need to look similar.

Later, characters are identified largely by physical features (honestly - much as we do now) and that identifies whether they're taraboner, shinerian, tairen, etc. If areas are homogenous, that doesn't *work*.

Siuan is kinda the worst case of this - again, I don't care that she's black, but the extensive tattoos make her visually more in line with the sea folk than a tairen, especially since her dad has very similar ones which give the appearance of clan tattoos in that case.

 

On 12/28/2021 at 4:27 PM, hurin said:

3. Per #2, maintain the same relationships that were in the books.  They worked.  Moiraine and Siuane are now lesbians? 

Ok, gonna disagree with you here. Mo and Siuan are canonically lesbians. They even kissed in their single "on-camera" moment in the main book series (not counting the prequel), and they slept together multiple times in New Spring. They're two parts of the canonical "love pentagram" and their relationship was confirmed by both RDJ and BS. 
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On 12/28/2021 at 4:27 PM, hurin said:

 

What about her and Thom's eventual relationship?  I guess it could still happen.. but it lessens the likelihood and significance of it. It also takes away from Moiraine's singular focus on finding the Dragon Reborn and stopping the Dark One.  It's just goofy and obviously done for Woke Points.  It deviates from the established story for no good reason, as does most of the changes.  

OH CRAP SHE'S BI.

My sister is bi and has had multiple relationships with women, is now married to a man, and I don't think it's "lost any significance".

 

The fact that she's so focused on the goal is why they don't get to hook up often - they even comment on it.

 

On 12/28/2021 at 4:27 PM, hurin said:

4.  The ending.  So.. so.. so.. bad.  That is all I will say here.  Anyone who is a fan of the books will just hate it.  Because it should be hated.  It was that bad.

Yes.

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Siuan ends up with Gareth and Moiraine with Tom


“Ok, gonna disagree with you here. Mo and Siuan are canonically lesbians.”

 

These two were basically very young and in a convent. At the most they are bisexual.
 

I objected to the adult portrayal of this part of their relationship. IMO, it was for titillation purposes and that only in my opinion.  

 

As for the Emonds field population being homogenous, I totally agree and I initially held to this point. However, I was pleasantly surprised as the diversity really works for me. I think it adds a richness to the community. 


Re: tatoos. Siuan also lived near the water. Her father was a fisherman. Perhaps they picked up some customs of other seafaring populations?

 

 

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On 12/25/2021 at 7:52 PM, d3L3373d said:

Honestly the entire season feels like less talented writers trying to "improve" an already amazing story. Character's were stagnant and shallow, and the coolest moments from the novel were either changed for the worse, ignored or the point of events happening a certain way were just plain missed. It seems to be another example of screenwriters adapting a story and not respecting the original creators work.

 

I mean, let's face it, if they were as talented as Robert Jordan they would have created their own epic fantasy series, but they aren't, and their choices for storytelling show that.

 

Budget is barely an excuse as well... they spent massive amounts of money on this show.

 

Casting changes as an excuse? They don't explain away the messing with beloved characters right from episode one. If I was the actor playing Matrim I would have bailed so fast.

 

Effects being difficult as an excuse? Animating the last Nym would not be groundbreaking CG, The Eye of The World pool of purified power is literally only a glowing silver pool, Loial have animatronic ears would take an FX Artist or CG Artist less time than building one of the houses they burned down in the first episode.

 

In summary: It plays out like poorly written, low budget fan fiction, and misses the point of the story.

Thank you did a very good description I waited so long and I am so disappointed.

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I've refrained from posting anything online until my angst over this had a chance to cool.  Angry people make bad decisions. 

 

At the end of the day, after twenty-three years, fifteen books, hundreds of dollars buying mostly first edition hardcovers, and finally, two authors (which I wholeheartedly accepted, having read Sanderson's "Mistborn" series, choosing him softened the blow of losing RJ and potentially any sense of closure)...I felt that somehow, I deserved better than this. 

 

I'm a writer myself, currently working on my second novel, and if I were approached to have any of my work "adapted" by Rafe Judkins, well, all I can say is that I'd burn every word of it (figuratively, I'm not setting my computer on fire) before I allowed him to destroy my work as he has destroyed TWOT.  

 

Is it watchable?  I guess.  It's not as bad as some of the other trash on television.

I was watching Apocalypse Now the other night and there is a scene where Chef is relating to Captain Willard his first day of Cooks School in the Navy. 

“they lined us up in front of a hundred yards of prime rib.  All of us.  You know, lined up lookin’ at it. Magnificent meat, really. Beautifully marbled. Magnifique.  Next thing they’re throwing the meat into these big cauldrons.  All of it.  Boiling it.  I looked inside man it was turning gray.  I couldn’t f-ing believe that one.   That’s when I applied for radioman’s school.”

So, now I know exactly how Chef felt.  And he hadn't even been attacked by the tiger yet.

Watching Rafe Judkins The Wheel of Time.  It’s like watching someone boil prime rib.

In other words, it may be edible, and might keep you from starving, but the meal in no way lives up to the potential of the ingredients.

 

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I too have taken some time to process before writing my opinions...

All I can say is, it's been about 15 years since I read Eye of the World, and I could not tell you how excited I was to finally, FINALLY see it realized as a series. Literally decades of anticipation. I invited all my family and friends around for weekly viewings, I was so excited.

When it was over, I was befuddled, confused, and pretty darn disappointed. This is not the Wheel of Time I know. Apart from character and location names (and I guess a vague plot shape) there is barely a single scene in the entire TV series that is actually taken from the book it's supposedly based on. Almost all of the dialogue is entirely new.

Not only that, but they removed key characters and important moments of development for our main cast to focus on new stories and characters that weren't even part of the book to begin with.

And I just cannot fathom WHY. Yes, of course you'd need to shorten, trim, simplify. We were all expecting that. But why rewrite the whole thing? I have pondered it for weeks and I still can't come up with a good answer.

After the show finished I began to read the book again. (I've almost finished) And OH WOW. It's so great! Better even than I remember it! And there are so many scenes that would have worked so fantastically on screen, but they just weren't there. My disappointment has only doubled since going back to the source material.

Look, I'm willing to give it another chance. I'll definitely be watching season 2. But mostly, I'll be watching in hope that the show will clank back on to the tracks that have been laid for it and start actually telling the story it's supposed to.

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