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Brandon Sanderson discusses changes to the WoT TV show


Jason Denzel
  • Brandon Sanderson shared some of his thoughts on the necessary changes to the Wheel of Time TV show.


Brandon Sanderson responded to some fans' concerns on reddit about the adaptation to the Wheel of Time TV show. Although the majority of fan reactions over the past week to the big casting announcement have been positive, some people have had concerns with the actors not looking like how they would expect. Brandon addressed these concerns by saying:

 

 

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That's a legit gripe. I don't blame anyone if they don't like this decision for book/film continuity reasons--just as I would have trouble blaming anyone for disliking a casting like Jackman as Wolverine, because he's so different from the source material. Most of us loved him, but it's okay for someone to dislike the choice.

 

The WoT casting looks good to me. It's more than it doesn't bother me; it's more that I actively like how these people look as the characters. Granted, I have information others don't have. I've read Rafe's scripts, I've read his treatments, and I get what he's doing with the series--and in almost every case, I like the choices he's made.

 

Deciding to do the Two Rivers with a variety of skin tones but a unified cultural identity is cool to me because I think it expresses some of the broad themes of the Wheel of Time. Themes that might be difficult to get across otherwise without the text, the internal monologues, etc.

 

To me, this is like putting the Harry Potter kids in street clothes in the third of those films, or making Frodo push Sam away in the LotR films--both are pretty big deviations from the letter of the story, but both (I think) achieve something in setting the tone the right way for a film.

 

That said, I can see this being something you dislike. For what it's worth--from my experience, this isn't Rafe pandering. It might well be Rafe expressing his own ideologies in the story. It's okay to dislike those choices, but I do think that it would be a mistake to not want a showrunner who tries to make their own version of the story. (Like Jackson did with the LotR films.)

 

This is one of the things I've had to become comfortable with in watching my own book-to-film adaptations progress. You won't get something great without letting a new vision change the story. Even Marvel, in charge of its own properties, heavily adapted characters, looks, and stories to fit the new medium of film.

 

If the chosen actors had looked completely wrong...well, I'd still probably have waited to see them act in the roles. (That will be the big deciding factor.) But the fact that they look so right feels like confirmation to me that so far, Rafe is steering the ship well.

 

He continued with:

 

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Everything I've seen from Rafe in my interactions with him (including the sessions where I gave feedback on the scripts) made me confident he had nothing but respect for the source material.

That said, this IS looking more of an adaptation than a straight filming of the source material. This will be different from the books. It reminds me more of the Lord of the Rings adaptations than, say, the early Harry Potter adaptations.

 

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Again, there is a legitimate gripe here- [...] Writing is art, and it's legitimate to simply not like artistic decisions. It's doubly legitimate to dislike where an adaptation is taking the work. But I have two responses here.

First is this: You're never going to get a good director who doesn't put their own spin on the source material. It's because they know you simply cannot adapt most written media into film without changing things dramatically. When people try to adapt line by line, but not try to capture the soul of the piece (as seen through their on eyes, and their own experience) you end up with something sterile at best, a disaster at worst.

What is the single greatest (by general agreement of audiences and critics) Stephen King Adaptation? It's the one that deviates the furthest. Even the new IT takes huge liberties.

The early Harry Potter adaptations are attempts to line-by-line try to adapt the books. They are mediocre films in the eyes of most critics and audiences. There is a reason why the third film, which deviates greatly, is the one that FEELS more Harry Potter to a lot of people. (Granted, not all of them.) It's because the project had someone who adapted the material and added their artistic vision to that of the book. (Which was, admittedly, the strongest of the books also.)

You have Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time. He wrote it in the medium he wanted, and it will never change. You are never, in film, going to get anything but the director's Wheel of Time. This is something I've had to realize the more I've become involved in Hollywood.

A great case study is the Princess Bride. One of the rare examples where the same person wrote the book and the screenplay--someone who was good at both. And the film deviates in huge ways from the book, along the lines that the screenwriter wanted. Because he knew that film is a different medium, with different needs and different audience expectations.

If you don't want Rafe's Wheel of Time, that's completely legitimate. But you're not going to get a director who could explore Robert Jordan's themes in his way. Ever. You're going to get a director who explores Robert Jordan's themes in the director's way.

My argument about your paragraph about people coming to the Two Rivers...well, I just disagree. (That's okay--it's art, and it's good to disagree sometimes.) I think that people with new ways of thinking, new dress, new ways of doing things is WAY more thematically alien in a story like this than people who look different.

When the Two Rivers folk are traveling with the Aiel, how often do they note how different everyone looks? (Rarely.) How often do they note differences in culture? (Basically every other page.)

This fits the Wheel of Time just fine to me.

 

Filming of the WoT TV show will begin in September. Although we don't know the exact start date or production schedule, we know that the announced actors are either currently in Prague or on their way there to begin. No release date for the show has been announced, but the production schedule is expected to be unusually long because of the complicated material, diverse locations, and large number of visual effects. 

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I definitely think there are two types of haters here. The first is just opposed to the idea of a character not being white. White is the default for many readers so if a character isn't described as black then it's assumed.

 

Stephen King comes to mind as being one of the more egregious offenders in this regard. All his black characters are explicitly described as such and none of his white characters are.

 

One of the more positive trends I have seen in fiction recently is that white characters are being explicitly described as such. White should not be the default.

 

The Emond's Fielders were probably white in the book and in Jordan's mind. I don't recall them ever being explicitly described that way, but I think it's safe to assume. However, that is irrelevant to who they were as people. Remember, the importance of skin color is very much a cultural thing and American culture is especially guilty of emphasizing it. If the people of Emond's Field were brown, in Randland it would have exactly zero importance. They don't have the history of racism that our culture does.

 

The second type of hater just hates bad world building. Whatever the skin color of Emond's Field, it needed to be homogenous to be realistic. A community that has been completely insulated for 2,000 years would not be multi-ethnic. It just wouldn't. 

 

There was a simple fix for this in regards to Rand. If Emond's Field was a brown community, Rand could have been brown as well. Remember, in story, Rand is only half Aiel. His mother was Andoran. So make the people of Andor brown. Tam's wife's nationality was never mentioned, so we could just assume she was from Illian and make Illian white. People would assume that the reason Rand was slightly lighter in skin color was because of her and not Rand's actual Aiel father. Emond's Field gets to be homogenous, which makes sense, Rand sticks out, but not too much, and everyone is happy. 

 

Rafe Judkins is bad at his job. He wants to fix Hollywood's problems with diversity, which they admittedly have, but he doesn't know how to do it convincingly. Remember, you still have to tell a good story.

 

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On 8/22/2019 at 3:48 PM, Gibberish said:

I understand how people arrive at some of the animosity they have relating to the Actor choices , specifically ethnicity. Word choices can, on the surface, imply ethnicity hits people formulating their own mental image of a person as well as their ethnic background without realizing they're doing it.

 

When I think Of Lan and his people I think of Mongolians. Specifically because of the honor system, tribal system, and description of the characters in the books.

 

I think of one of the cities where everyone wore knives and the women were overly sexually aggressive as being romany

 

You have to understand he drew on mental imagery based on what he knew about life that's what every writer does you can only fantasize to a Point before your modern experiences insert themselves into your writing.

 

All of that said, for people to be upset over other people being upset because they perceived character a as being Caucasian character be being Caucasian character C being Caucasian so on and so forth to where it's a white world.  It's not because it was written in any other manner and someone assumes ethnicity based on their racial preference, it's because that's what a person's personal experiences,when reading, apply and formulate a mental image of a character

 

 At no point was someone described as being black but if a person associates a specific type of action to a specific ethnic group then that person could perceive group a or person a to be black whereas another person would perceive them to be white, Asian, Hindu

 

I suppose my point is both sides of the coin have merit and when the 2 groups start bickering and arguing without using any common sense or thought then you spiral into this trash cess pit of the societie we have right now that exist on the Internet.

 

I saw perron when I read as a large barrel chested man with Brown hair, basically a country boy from Southern Georgia or Southern Alabama. I perceived rand as being basically Irish with dirry blonde hair with red mixed in, again caucasian.  That does not mean I'm gonna have a cow if rand is a 4' tall Actor from Barcelona or Asia.

 

What this does mean that instead of bickering over ethnicity people should watch the show and then formulate their opinions based on the acting merit or lack thereof, of each Actor.

 

A good example for me is Stephen King's Roland being black, played by Actor Idris Elba. I did not even indulge that as a valid character choice because I had always perceived him is a Clint Eastwood type character. However Idris Elba nailed it and changed my entire mental perspective of the character Roland.

 

 I thinks something's on the main stream, should be pure. Some actors based on their ethnic group should not play certain ,specifically Superman :) That said no white man or black man should ever play the role of Ghengis Khan or the Mandarin... I'm told that 2nd one will be resolved in the next movie.

 

It is perfectly OK to have a preconceived notion, when considering characters from a book fictional characters, as relating to ethnic background as long as the book doesn't go to great lengths to emphasize a specific ethnicity. I also think it's perfectly OK when the Actor goes against your concept of ethnicity as long as that Actor can do the job.

 

So stop making this an issue of race and make it an issue of story telling and acting. Kind of like how people did when the movie Dune came out,in I believe 1984 ,whereas the remaking is focusing towards a more Brown skin acting cast, as in my opinion the book intended.

 

 Again in closing its about acting and story writing and storytelling it's not about the color someone's skin as it relates to characters of fantasy who the writer never specifically applied any ethnic skin tone to where the majority of the characters are concerned

Totally agree with this input.

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