[Advanced] Revenge of the Marlfox

[Tommyrod]

 

/shrug

That's my thing. I'm the only one in the mafia world who shrugs.

Also, deflection of my vote noted

I'm not sure he adds this line to what was obviously a joke vote on me for posting too much.

 

Why would it matter if I dodge a joke vote?

[Tommyrod]

I promised my girlfriend I'd play the violin

Cory if you give my FF team enough mono and somehow make it so that Terrance Williams outproduces or comes close to Demarco Murray I will basically never vote to lynch you this game

  

Mojo* not mono

Would rather Cory give me mono, my team mojo

  

 

 

 

@Verb - am I mod confirmed awesome guy to have a beer with or what?

Admin-confirmed cool dude to have a beer with. You even bought and I totally forgot to see if you wanted a 2nd round, lol. So I owe you.

Despot confirmed jelly

  

 

 

 

Thane you actually thought a female character would be distributed to a female player?

if i were mod, yeah, i'd do stuff like that.... just for the heck of it. Maybe someone has an equally twisted mind (Krak might)

Jackie Chan

Cory I will do more than bear with your roguish charm. I will muzzle your hair far longer than what would be an appropriate amount of time and then moan softly under my breath when you try to break contact

As Des said to me when he was villa a few games ago: "what does this post add to the thread?"

 

Early spam is a soft scum tell for Des.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

 

@Dice -

Look into my soul

and know these words are true;

Lee and I are Town

and can not lie to you.

looks into yates soul

sees a mirror image

shudders

a lot!!!!!

So far into catchup Thane and Yates both look townish to me

With the way Yates just got mad at me for saying Des's game resembles his just ended SK game, I could see Des and Yates as w/w.

 

Yates was really reaching by saying stuff in Des's defense like "he Jackie channed Thane!"

 

I'll find that post.

[Tommyrod]

 

LOL - he has ONLY tunneled me all game. That's his main contribution and posting point.

Nope. ISO Des in ascending order.He made his RVS vote on you for Des reasons. Didn't even really go after you.Called a VERB post opportunistic and wolfy as hell.Clearly trying to determine your alignment but you deflect in a typical Tommy way that is not at all alignment indicative.Jackie Chan's Thane.Talks about other reads including Me, Thane, and AJ in catch up.Looking at Arsis.Back to Verb.A little questioning of Monstr's math logic and posturingAnd that's page 1 of his ISO. Not even the BEGINNING of a tunnel yet. CLEARLY poking around at the slots that were posting at the time.

Not like any of this was substantial #work from Des. If anything it's out of character for him to NOT have called someone out as scum ASAP.

[Sili Quirrels]

Too add, desp has escalated hard this game. He's reported people 3 or 4 times for jokes. Is this fake?

 

 

Dunno

 

 

When day arrives, the following are people who aren't my lunchables: bfgkey, yates, hallia, tom, dingus, dice*, alanna, rag, and berf, This leaves AJ, Despo, Pralaya, Verb, ArsisJr.

 

Of these I am confident are 3 wolves.

[Tommyrod]

 

good vote

also, not done properly per the rules

Verbal's two quick responses to Tommy's vote on him are purdy bad, even tho Tommy's vote WAS kinda opportunistic

This is a classic wolf hedge post from Des.

 

God, I'm an idiot. I should have seen this sooner.

 

Des is MUCH closer to red than I thought before.

[Sili Quirrels]

I'm content in that I solved this game.

 

I can die now, and pass on to the afterlife.

[Arsis]

Pral/Cory/des/sili are my biggest scum reads right now.

 

Mbat is borderline scum for me

[Tommyrod]

 

I'm going to pretend Verbal has town cred for coming out strong and "scumhunting" but I'm really suspicious of him jumping on something small so soon.

Weird phrasing in this post but that's null for Arsis

Another hedge

[Tommyrod]

 

I kind of agree that it was a slightly wolfy response but lets give him a chance

Sili here are some buckets

Strong Villagers:

Medium Villagers:

Neutral:

Slightly Wolfy:

Wolfy:

I want you to take every player in the game and throw them into these buckets

At the risk of setting off emomanbat, he's had a lot of posts I've seen recently that reek of posturing

  

Jesus Christo Manbat

"What does this add to the game?"

 

Note we are 500 posts in at this point and Des doesn't have anything definitive to say yet.

 

That is INSANELY out of character for him.

[Arsis]

Verb too borderline.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

meh... getting the sense arsis is playing up an angle.

 

What angle? I made my reads. I voted. I'm good for day 1. I don't like town alliances day 1. I think it's the stupiest thing possible. Scumbat gets to hide behind other people's reads. Tommy can have 100 posts of 90% fluff and its cool. If we lynch town there is no accountability for reads. "I was just following the alliance"

 

Makes me wanna pull that stuff up on Manbat- I thought his reaction to my fos was turrible, and I was worried some of the stuff that came up immediately after could have been a smokescreen to help bury that stuff

 

Wow.  Dice being more aggressive than I'm used to seeing.  It feels......weird.

 

 

It's kind of a new meta for him, but def more of a towntell to be sure. Taking it for granted that he IS more aggressive here, will have to look out for that later

Going as hard as warm butter here plus leaving himself open to suspecting Dice (who Des typically claims to read VERY well!!!)

[Tommyrod]

 

 

So last time Pral said he would catch up and took ages to do so he was a wolf with me

Just sayin

 

 

And the time before that, he did the exact same thing and was town with ridic good soulreads

 

Anyways just read the last few pages, pretty meh on most, meh on the Arsis lynch as well. Gonna read the Berf post since so many are talking about it.

 

Atm kinda feel happy to park a vote on Tommy tho. Would be +EV for town imo, either we lazily catch a good wolf or eliminate wifom of someone who COULD be a good deep wolf and will keep spamming the thread nonstop and make it difficult to keep up anyways.

 

Funny cause it meant to be semi tongue in cheek, but after typing that out I really do believe he'd be a good lynch

 

Uh oh Pral!

 

But this post reeks of "I don't care; things are going fine for the wolves so far."

[Tommyrod]

You can see in that post that Des never really had a reason for voting me to begin with; he only started calling me LOCK SCUM after I claimed.

 

Des is who I was misclearing. He's a wolf. I feel like 10x better now.

[Tommyrod]

VIG, PLEASE SHOOT DESPOT

[Tommyrod]

VIG, PLEASE SHOOT DESPOT

Whoops lol

[Tommyrod]

Oh and I got the Manbat posts pulled, will prob wait till later to post my analysis of them. I don't have him locked in as scum, but I def don't find him to be nearly as townish as others seem to, and if he's town he's gotta learn to real in the defensiveness anyways

More hedging

 

  

 

 

 

Hey folks.

 

Catching up, getting a grip etc.

 

 

 

 

maybe i read too much into the intro, but it seems that the female character is plotting revenge. Therefore 1 player leading scumteam, female player more likely. 

 

Or, my meds are messing with me and i see ghosts

 

 

What? Why the hell would the flavour indicate a person of any gender would receive any particular role? This is implying that @Mod didn't randomize roles across the entire playerbase, you do realize? Also the Verabl buddying is a little obvious.

 

 

 

 

 

The down side of being Leelou's hydra partner is that now I can't follow up on my policy lynch promise.   

 

The plus side of being Leelou's hydra partner is that now I can follow up on my Cory AND Hally policy lynch promises with a single vote!

 

[v]HalCore[/v]

 

Huzzah!

 

 

Sorry for rustles, will be on best behavior

 

This pinged. Both, actually. @Yates for policy talk which is gross, @cory for promising to lay low?

 

 

 

nver read the book, perhaps should have. Thanks Yates, there goes my theory..... 

 

 

Wow so yeah, you thought mod roled a female character to a female player? 

 

Really?

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm going to pretend Verbal has town cred for coming out strong and "scumhunting" but I'm really suspicious of him jumping on something small so soon.

 

 

Also this. While Verb's push is genuine, it's seems just a little too strong for the evidence at hand. But I'm leaning toward that being excited by a potential scumread.

 

@Sili and @Tommy are null at the moment but being involved, which is a plus. Is Tommy normally this ...this?

 

@Desp entry - wow. Ok. Ping for you too. But later Desp proves to be Despish by most accounts so, egh. 

 

@Cory - Heavy defense noted. But I always have trouble reading through emotion and tend to write it off as scum. But hydra halli makes me wonder especially given-

 

@Yates' cheering of Halli, which seems... friendly. I don't like friendly. 

 

@manbat handing out town reads like candy. Forms a list. I didn't really question it until I realised very little of the reads had reasons. Hrmm.

 

 

 

 

 

~4 Wolves in

Pral

Alanna

Rags

Arsis

Yates

Key

Dice

Berf

So let's try to clear half this list and lunch from the rest

Shouldn't be too hard

 

This post is especially nonsense. 4 wolves in 3/4 of the game. Most of those people haven't posted yet. This is what you post ad scum to pretend scum hunt.

 

+1. Though it should be noted that I'm on this list, so my objection is probably implied.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's not AtE when Yates literally will not speak to him.

 

Oh is he asking me stuff? I have him on ignore.

 

That's certainly one way to play the game where talking to people is kind of the point.

 

If he is your scumread, then you would want him to keep talking day 1 surely, in case something slips? either way, you've ruled out the possibility of him being town by refusing to engage, limiting your effectiveness for town. 

 

 

 

 

Right so.

 

Townish on Verb, Tommy, sili, desp despite myself and maybe halli. p-edit and now Allana.

 

Scummish on Cory (But the halli play hrmm), Yates and Thane. The mod handing out roles like that is pretty damn unheard of. I'd vote Thane out of the two of them.

 

Nothing much else has stood out. Apart from the fact that this is on page 34 already jesus krak what have you gotten me into.

 

 

Yeah I can see why he has some votes. Pretty bad post right here. Bad tone in opener, pot calling the kettle black somewhat in that he gives out a number of reads without explaining them well, and imo his scum reads are very poorly justified or supported. For instance his main thing against Thane is the admittedly bad logic of role distribution, but how does using that fail logic make Thane scummy? Berf points that out three times but never actually explains the scummy angle to it, looks like opportunistic scum jumping on a townie mistake imo. Weird that he has Hallia as town and Cory as scum then hedges that read so easily, yet leaves Cory as scum read. "Nothing much else has stood out" is also kinda bad tone, doesn't really jive with the rest of the post imo since it seems more like he was cherry picking things to point out, not covering much even tho it was a fairly lengthy post

 

Obv you'd like to have more to go on than one post, but that one post IS pretty bad so meh

Joining the Berf wagon with a narrative post and still managing to hedge

[Tommyrod]

 

Well hey if you lynch me then scum gets two townies for the price of one!

Almost too good to pass up.

 

 

Did you already claim Lover or something?

 

How many claims are there btw?

 

What sucks is last time Tommy hinted at/claimed PR early D1 like this he was town... but dear God it's still such a domb move and hard for me to believe Tommy would keep making the same turrible mistake.

 

Of course the flip side is he could be abusing his meta here and doing this on purpose BECAUSE he claimed PR early as town recently.

 

Yeah, still a good lynch imo.

Hedge and voting me on policy instead of for being scummy

[Tommyrod]

 

I think it's pretty alarming AJ's progression on Tommy is:

 

 

Tom you do this thing early in the game where you make me feel happy and confident about you.

And then I'm forced through staged of grief when the game is over.

Disbelief

Denial

Regret

and lastly, and worst, remorse.

Idk if I can take it again <\3

 

 

(60 pages later)

 

Normally I would say to myself "this is Villager Tom trying to discern my alignment"

But now I have to say "this is Villager Tom trying to discern my alignment. Or this is Wolf Tom trying to look like he's discerning my alignment"

Is problem.

 

 

Like this AJ's first time around the block with Tommy 

Considering Tom's actually a wagon today for ??? reasons I think AJ is a good deal > rand wolf. Just seems to be "oh well Tommy's a good wolf so obviously I'm going to flounder on him a lot" which might have seemed natural after the VS game but at this point seems redundant past the point of being genuine

 

Seems like he's keeping himself open for a Tommy vote later

 

Good point and I could see this. Vote on Arsis seemed pretty sketchy too. Could roll with a CFD on AJ

 

And I think it should have gone without saying that Tommy isn't the kind of player you blue read easily early on and then never look at again- that's just asking for disaster.

 

Also think it's cute how many people think they can read me easily early on as well, even tho I've recently burned a lot of yall as scum as well.

 

 

To be frank that's why I'm meh on the Arsis lynch- I agree with what he's saying about the "core" thing in principle, that misclearing people actually should be treated as a bigger deal. Tommy has been wrong on Manbat recently, and yet instead of mentioning this he's still pretty happy to rely 100% on his meta read on him. I think POE is a strong tool, but someone shouldn't necessarily be cleared for meta just because they do something scummy all the time as town.

 

I think after Manbat modded the last VS game which featured a laugher of a scum sweep, he wouldn't be NEARLY as quick to sponge Tommy and Cory as he has been this game. I find that wolfy myself.

Last sentence is awkward for Des but I also note he's defending Arsis here

 

 

I can see a Des/Cory/Pral/Arsis team

[Tommyrod]

 

 

Oh and I got the Manbat posts pulled, will prob wait till later to post my analysis of them. I don't have him locked in as scum, but I def don't find him to be nearly as townish as others seem to, and if he's town he's gotta learn to real in the defensiveness anyways

 

I'm not changing the way I play just because you find it scummy for literally no good reason

 

I'd say I have extremely good reason to find your play scummy. When you're town you don't usually get cleared for WIM and scumhunting effectiveness and track record, you get cleared because of emo outbursts, and whether they're either genuine seeming or seem more fake or overblown.

 

That's... not good town play. Getting defensive at the drop of a hat .... isn't good town play. Focusing so much on yourself you end up not commenting on much else besides how town you are... isn't good town play. Sensing a theme here?

This doesn't sound like Des -AT ALL-.

[Tommyrod]

 

Has manbat once tried to break up a fight here by crying how they're both villagers. That's my towntell for him.

 

 

He's done that as scum tho

He's spewing Monstr clear 50 times over

[Tommyrod]

 

Hard claim: I'm a Beloved Princess.

If I am lynched or killed, the next day phase is skipped, effectively giving scum double night kills.

I don't know how I can play this role effectively. If it was someone like Pral -- sure. He could. But I can't. I'm going to get shot no matter what. And people apparently think it's funny to wagon me now because ???

I ask that the doctor at least considers protecting me tonight. Provide some WIFOM by thinking about it. Throw yourself and me and someone like Cory into random.org and go with that.

But you're all stupid for pushing me because you're afraid of me.

 

 

LOL yeah not moving my vote. Worst fake claim ever lawlz

 

Srs do, Beloved Princess is one of the most common fake claims for scum ever. Designed to make town crap their pants enough to not wanna lynch em. More importantly- two big things:

 

1. If Tommy was truly a Beloved Princess whose role could be activated by killing, NO WAY IN HELL does he say that on thread. A normal Beloved Princess doesn't work that way, and regardless Tommy wouldn't be so dumb as to make it that easy for scum to screw town over by letting them know that wrinkle. Complete and total BS

2. The way Tommy claims. Makes it seem so "Oh woe is me for getting this role".... yeah NOPE. Town!Tommy would be pissed about getting that role, but just wouldn't claim most likely, unless he absolutely HAD TO.

 

Tommy is scum, yay us for getting a nice scum lynch D1, and a power wolf at that

 

In retrospect this post is super fake.

 

But this is when he began hard tunneling me: for a role that is easily resolved by night actions.

 

What a bunch of horse manure.

[Tommyrod]

K I think that's enough for now. Shoot or lynch him.

[Sili Quirrels]

is this what town you looks like?

 

frankly id be okay with the vig going for arsis too.

[Sili Quirrels]

I'll be hurt if cory is wolfpack. :(