SCOOBY GAME THREAD - TOWN WINS

[Mafia-18]

unvote MANTIS, vote CUTLER

 

Jaguaro doesn't get lynched unless we get a second lynch so we really need to get that lynch.

Any particular reason in going for CUTLER? I have no read on him.

[Mafia-17]

 

unvote MANTIS, vote CUTLER

 

Jaguaro doesn't get lynched unless we get a second lynch so we really need to get that lynch.

Any particular reason in going for CUTLER? I have no read on him.

 

 

Neither do I.  Sounds liek a good lynch doesnt it?

[Mafia-8]

 

Why do you say this?

Because I don't believe that scum can only catch people who are using a Night Action. That doesn't make sense as a game mechanic. There must be much more.

 

There isn't.  How does the Scooby Gang catch the thieves in the cartoon?  By unmasking them with their hands in the cookie jar.  It's that simple.

[Mafia-7]

 

 

 

I thought of this earlier.  Except the opposite.  Would it work if we all posted, in thread, who we were going to steal from before doing so?  Would that tell us who mafia is?  Well, I'm guessing DPR is a good enough mod that he would have thought of that.  And counter it.  Maybe something like the Scooby gang can target somebody to see if they catch someone stealing from them.  Rather than only targeting themselves.

 

It may still be worth it though.  We could test it easily enough. 

 

 

 

I have an idea. Why don't we all agree to not use our steal abilities? Then we can avoid death, get a handle on the PRs, and anticipate the future better.

 

We could at least do this once to allow us to test the no kills if we don't steal from mafia idea.

 

Oh, and it should be noted that if that is how people die that those who have been stolen from would thus be confirmed and considering the low body count I assume that mafia would also be a group that has avoided the spotlight.

 

^The above sentence doesn't make sense as a mechanic btw.

 

The scum killing by catching someone stealing is the first thing I have read in this thread that hasn't made me want to hit myself in the head with a pick axe.  In the cartoon they always catch the badguy trying to get away with something.

 

I'm still total loss on this whole one player with two costumes thing. If someone can remind me who brought that up I would happily kill them.  So confusing and annoying.

 

 

Im down with killing jaguaro to remove confusion and have no qualms about wasting an inactive for the second kill.

 

vote jaguar

 

We lost power today or I'd have had the VC up more quickly.

 

I see a lot of ideas being kicked around that are starting to get close...

 

So here we have a bunch of us speculating about not stealing and the Mod comes in saying people are on the right track.  We also have a scene where someone gets caught stealing and unmasked (killed) after the mod told us that there were no Night Kills. 

 

Shortly after this, look who pops up and tries to push us in the opposite direction to keep on stealing!

 

 

 

 

I don't believe that not stealing would help us.

 

 

Nah, I don't think holstering actions help.

 

 

 

 

Not a clue. I think we need more information. I believe that the game has a lot of players for a good reason: enough days to find the right pattern.

 

Summary of actions and summary of mod confirmations/hints is badly needed for sure.

 

 

Then, even with a scene that shows somebody getting caught stealing and unmasked, when asked a DIRECT question about it feigns ignorance and says he has no idea if that could happen.

 

 

Werewolf has just outed him/herself as scum. 

 

unvote, vote Werewolf

[Mafia-7]

TL;DR:  Mod says we are on right track about not stealing.  Werewolf still advocates for stealing.  Werewolf is scum.

[Mafia-2]

Sorry about that bad coding guys, I'll try to edit it up.

 

 

 

 

Back to Ptero.  This gets beautiful.

 

 

A 1x super role that only has a 33% chance of working doesn't sound plausible to me. It has 33% chance of essentially being game breaking if it works.

 

Over-exaggerates the power of the role Mummy has claimed.

 

Miner, Creeper, Tar

 

Anything happen to you folks negative you can think of?

 

Finally asks a good question.

 

 

 

I believe the Mummy claim for now. If he was lying then his results would be impossible to fabricate because of how many people they can potentially implicate.

Sorry about not being here much the past couple of days. I don't have a ton of time at the moment but will be posting a Jaguaro case when I do.

I will quickly mention that Black Knight, Mummy, and Pterodactyl all appear pretty confirmed to me ATM based on their claims, but that will need more analysis later.

Bold: He only told us his targets after The Black Knight had revealed them already. Not sure what would be so hard to fabricate here - he said he got nothing (2/3 chance). Not sure how this could be more convenient for him: his results can't be checked at all.

 

 

Well, lack thereof.  But indeed, it is very convenient...if I were scum.  

 

Unless you're ready to accuse TBK and I of being in collusion, then it doesn't really matter who said it first. He would know if I was lying and I would know if he was.  I had a 1x ability and it failed.  I find it hard to believe anyone would expect each to have an individual chance of success - that would be a nicely powerful 1x ability, too powerful I expect.

 

 

Response by the Mummy that is important because he says that his Triangle failed.

 

Unvote

 

I think that unless something bad happened to these 3, then we can assume he's telling the truth. If he was mafia and had a role that could target 3 people, it seems like there would be some sort of negative utility involved.

 

 

And here we have it, the response I love.  He clears Mummy because nothing negative happened to the 3, but Mummy already claimed his role failed...so there would have been no negative effect regardless.  This, to me, is terrible logic used in an attempt to take heat off a teammate.  He runs with the Mummy angle and switches sides in an attempt to vet Mummy.

 

 

He doesn't speak up for a few pages and then

 

 

Unvote Vote Mummy

 

cause deadline n' stuff

 

He hammers Mummy, using the deadline as an excuse despite the fact that it was about 8 hours off at that point.  To be fair, Mummy was the obvious lynch, but notice how Ptero is kinda desperate to get in on the train - anyone else could have hammered and it wouldn't have looked weird.  But, after defending the Mummy and proclaiming his innocence, it would look bad if he wasn't on the lynch.  Not that his hammer looks good...

 

 

End Day 2.

 

 

 

There was a ton of resistance to the Black Knight lynch for no good reason even before his reveal. Tracker makes perfect sense as a role for the gang to have thematically speaking. It's not a very powerful in the hands of town and it just blows my mind that we weren't able to secure the lynch on him.

 

I already called this out earlier in the game as a ping, but yeah.... scum ^^^

 

 

Yep.

 

 

Vote Black Knight

 

He's a  lying sack of scum.

 

 

Vote Black Knight

 

Liar is a liar.

 

100%

 

 

Well. See Jaguaro here proves my point. A lying scumbag.

 

 

 

I'm assuming that steal ability is for roles. Unless someone randomly has a steal ability as well and stole it successfully or Mr. Jaguar here was blocked for some reason, it seems to me that Black Knight is lying. My reasoning is the stalled out lynch yesterday.

 

I'm interested in what Knight has to say about all of this though.

 

Interesting.

 

1) You called Black Knight a liar before Jaguaro told us about his steal attempt.

2) If there is someone else out there with stealing ability, well, Black Knight would be a likely target.

3) There are more ways for a NA to fail: JAGUARO - what were you told exactly?

 

 

 

 

Vote Black Knight

 

He's a  lying sack of scum.

 

I'm assuming that steal ability is for roles. Unless someone randomly has a steal ability as well and stole it successfully or Mr. Jaguar here was blocked for some reason, it seems to me that Black Knight is lying. My reasoning is the stalled out lynch yesterday.

 

I'm interested in what Knight has to say about all of this though.

 

Which one is it now?

 

 

 

I know how we can resolve this.

 

We kill it.

 

 

 

vote black knight

 

FOS: Ptero + Tard

 

This is what was going on while Mummy was stalling.

 

 

Dr. Coffin helps me make my point.

 

 

 

Fair points to me Phantom Pain.

 

Vote Mummy

Then Ptero, my other suspect coming out of D2, votes Mummy - stinks like a bus vote.

 

Exactly.  Especially with that Hammer vote coming a few pages later.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I gotta take a break.  I'm at work and can't be away for too long.

[Mafia-3]

I can go with that.  Werewolf's actions regarding Jaguaro have been sketching me out for a little while now.  He claims to know all about the empty costumes but still thinks Jaguaro was acting pro-town.  Doesn't make sense.

 

unvote Mantis

vote Werewolf

[Mafia-18]

 

 

Why do you say this?

Because I don't believe that scum can only catch people who are using a Night Action. That doesn't make sense as a game mechanic. There must be much more.

 

 

There isn't.  How does the Scooby Gang catch the thieves in the cartoon?  By unmasking them with their hands in the cookie jar.  It's that simple.

 

 

No idea, I haven't managed to watch any of the episodes. I tried two, but fell asleep in the middle.

 

 

I thought of this earlier.  Except the opposite.  Would it work if we all posted, in thread, who we were going to steal from before doing so?  Would that tell us who mafia is?  Well, I'm guessing DPR is a good enough mod that he would have thought of that.  And counter it.  Maybe something like the Scooby gang can target somebody to see if they catch someone stealing from them.  Rather than only targeting themselves.

 

It may still be worth it though.  We could test it easily enough.

 

I have an idea. Why don't we all agree to not use our steal abilities? Then we can avoid death, get a handle on the PRs, and anticipate the future better.

 

We could at least do this once to allow us to test the no kills if we don't steal from mafia idea.

 

Oh, and it should be noted that if that is how people die that those who have been stolen from would thus be confirmed and considering the low body count I assume that mafia would also be a group that has avoided the spotlight.

 

^The above sentence doesn't make sense as a mechanic btw.

 

The scum killing by catching someone stealing is the first thing I have read in this thread that hasn't made me want to hit myself in the head with a pick axe.  In the cartoon they always catch the badguy trying to get away with something.

 

I'm still total loss on this whole one player with two costumes thing. If someone can remind me who brought that up I would happily kill them.  So confusing and annoying.

 

 

Im down with killing jaguaro to remove confusion and have no qualms about wasting an inactive for the second kill.

 

vote jaguar

 

We lost power today or I'd have had the VC up more quickly.

 

I see a lot of ideas being kicked around that are starting to get close...

 

So here we have a bunch of us speculating about not stealing and the Mod comes in saying people are on the right track.  We also have a scene where someone gets caught stealing and unmasked (killed) after the mod told us that there were no Night Kills. 

 

Shortly after this, look who pops up and tries to push us in the opposite direction to keep on stealing!

 

 

 

I don't believe that not stealing would help us.

 

Nah, I don't think holstering actions help.

 

 

 

Not a clue. I think we need more information. I believe that the game has a lot of players for a good reason: enough days to find the right pattern.

 

Summary of actions and summary of mod confirmations/hints is badly needed for sure.

 

Then, even with a scene that shows somebody getting caught stealing and unmasked, when asked a DIRECT question about it feigns ignorance and says he has no idea if that could happen.

 

 

Werewolf has just outed him/herself as scum. 

 

unvote, vote Werewolf

 

Yea that makes sense, I can't even find the words for how stupid your argument is. So you're speculating about game mechanics and if someone thinks that the mechanics weren't exactly the same way you think it is, he's scum. Bravo.

[Mafia-18]

TL;DR:  Mod says we are on right track about not stealing.  Werewolf still advocates for stealing.  Werewolf is scum.

So are you seriously trying to suggest that the maffia can only take out people who send in nigth actions?

Do you? Really?

[Mafia-7]

 

 

 

Why do you say this?

Because I don't believe that scum can only catch people who are using a Night Action. That doesn't make sense as a game mechanic. There must be much more.

 

 

There isn't.  How does the Scooby Gang catch the thieves in the cartoon?  By unmasking them with their hands in the cookie jar.  It's that simple.

 

 

No idea, I haven't managed to watch any of the episodes. I tried two, but fell asleep in the middle.

 

 

We lost power today or I'd have had the VC up more quickly.

 

I see a lot of ideas being kicked around that are starting to get close...

Yea that makes sense, I can't even find the words for how stupid your argument is. So you're speculating about game mechanics and if someone thinks that the mechanics weren't exactly the same way you think it is, he's scum. Bravo.

 

 

1) Yes, I'm speculating...but with Mod confirmation that we are on the right track.  Maybe you missed that part.

 

2) You couldn't even answer a straight up yes/no question about whether you can get caught stealing.  The answer is yes.  You danced around it.

[Mafia-18]

Cause the argument goes both ways. Way to go with trying to stop the town from sending in night actions by fearmongering.

[Mafia-7]

 

TL;DR:  Mod says we are on right track about not stealing.  Werewolf still advocates for stealing.  Werewolf is scum.

So are you seriously trying to suggest that the maffia can only take out people who send in nigth actions?

Do you? Really?

 

 

Maybe scum can take people out other ways.  I don't know.  What I think is clear is that scum can take people out when they get caught stealing.  Yet somehow you still advocate for everyone to keep stealing. 

 

It doesn't matter if scum can take people out other ways.  We should still close off their ability to catch people stealing.  Fewer weapons for scum = better for town. 

[Mafia-7]

Cause the argument goes both ways. Way to go with trying to stop the town from sending in night actions by fearmongering.

 

Really?  You're advocating to continue with a known way for town to die?  REALLY??

[Mafia-18]

1) Yes, I'm speculating...but with Mod confirmation that we are on the right track.  Maybe you missed that part.

 

2) You couldn't even answer a straight up yes/no question about whether you can get caught stealing.  The answer is yes.  You danced around it.

1. I missed nothing. Yes the mod said we were on the right track in a way. So what?

2. Of course I can't, you dummy. I'm not the mod, no idea how the game mechanics work. I'm also not scum so I have no idea how scum team and actions work. The only people who can be sure about that are DPR and the scum team.

And yes, I'll make sure to repeat it for you. No. I do not know that people can be caught stealing. Do you?

[Mafia-7]

 

1. I missed nothing. Yes the mod said we were on the right track in a way. So what?

2. Of course I can't, you dummy. I'm not the mod, no idea how the game mechanics work. I'm also not scum so I have no idea how scum team and actions work. The only people who can be sure about that are DPR and the scum team.

And yes, I'll make sure to repeat it for you. No. I do not know that people can be caught stealing. Do you?

 

 

Yes.  I do know.  Because DPR wrote the scene in which it happened.  And DPR does not bastard mod. 

 

Read the scene.  It says, "HAS BEEN CAUGHT STEALIN'". 

 

Snow Beast crept up behind his target, warming his fingers up for the pinch, when a spotlight illuminated him completely.

 

"You! In the white Bigfoot getup - yeah, you... Throw your hands in the air like you just got arrested. Because you did."

 

SNow Beast looks around, but his would be target is long gone.

 

"Someone hit the dance lights. I'll get the shiny bracelets."

 

And with that, blue light flickered through the night. Snow Beast was arrested and there was only one thing left to do.

 

"Let's see who this freak is. Pull it."

 

The mask comes off and its Dap.

 

SNOW BEAST, DAP, TOWN, HAS BEEN CAUGHT STEALIN' AND HE'S OFF TO JAIL.

 

Results are coming.

 

It is now D3. With 24 players, it takes 13 to lynch. 

 

Deadline falls on the 10th. 9:15 am EST. No extensions.

[Mafia-18]

 

 

TL;DR:  Mod says we are on right track about not stealing.  Werewolf still advocates for stealing.  Werewolf is scum.

So are you seriously trying to suggest that the maffia can only take out people who send in nigth actions?

Do you? Really?

 

 

Maybe scum can take people out other ways.  I don't know.  What I think is clear is that scum can take people out when they get caught stealing.  Yet somehow you still advocate for everyone to keep stealing. 

 

It doesn't matter if scum can take people out other ways.  We should still close off their ability to catch people stealing.  Fewer weapons for scum = better for town.

 

 

I'm not advocating anything. You are.

 

You're being unreasonable, however. We don't know how actions work. We have no idea of how the cost-benefit analysis of such actions add up. The weapons in maffia are always two-edged.

Would you advocate stop lynching too because it might kill a townie?

 

 

Cause the argument goes both ways. Way to go with trying to stop the town from sending in night actions by fearmongering.

 

Really?  You're advocating to continue with a known way for town to die?  REALLY??

 

Really, you should be listening to yourself. Known way for town to die? This is a maffia game, right? Scum kills (catches, whatever) townies, town lynches townies, town lynches scum. This is a game where people die. Most assuredly.

Heavy FOS for advocating stupidity.

[Mafia-18]

 

1. I missed nothing. Yes the mod said we were on the right track in a way. So what?

2. Of course I can't, you dummy. I'm not the mod, no idea how the game mechanics work. I'm also not scum so I have no idea how scum team and actions work. The only people who can be sure about that are DPR and the scum team.

And yes, I'll make sure to repeat it for you. No. I do not know that people can be caught stealing. Do you?

 

Yes.  I do know.  Because DPR wrote the scene in which it happened.  And DPR does not bastard mod. 

 

Read the scene.  It says, "HAS BEEN CAUGHT STEALIN'". 

 

Snow Beast crept up behind his target, warming his fingers up for the pinch, when a spotlight illuminated him completely.

 

"You! In the white Bigfoot getup - yeah, you... Throw your hands in the air like you just got arrested. Because you did."

 

SNow Beast looks around, but his would be target is long gone.

 

"Someone hit the dance lights. I'll get the shiny bracelets."

 

And with that, blue light flickered through the night. Snow Beast was arrested and there was only one thing left to do.

 

"Let's see who this freak is. Pull it."

 

The mask comes off and its Dap.

 

SNOW BEAST, DAP, TOWN, HAS BEEN CAUGHT STEALIN' AND HE'S OFF TO JAIL.

 

Results are coming.

 

It is now D3. With 24 players, it takes 13 to lynch. 

 

Deadline falls on the 10th. 9:15 am EST. No extensions.

 

So? How does this prove anything?

[Mafia-7]

 

So? How does this prove anything?

 

 

You said you had no idea if town could die by getting caught stealing.  So I posted the scene where town died by getting caught stealing. 

 

It proves that you are continuing to advocate for a way in which scum can kill town.

[Mafia-8]

So are you seriously trying to suggest that the maffia can only take out people who send in nigth actions?

Do you? Really?

Yes.

 

Unvote

Vote Werewolf

[Mafia-17]

Wow WEREWOLF pingin' like crazy rite now.  Steals don't really benefit town that much right now cuz all the roles are 1x and we have a good idea that they may hurt us.  Ghost's idea is good WEREWOLF pushing against it is scummy.  I don't care if he syas he cop vierwed me.

 

unvote CUTLER, vote WEREWOLF

[Mafia-18]

1) Reading too much into scenes and acting like you already know everything is a foolish play. Especially so early into the game and so low information.

 

2) Even if we knew that scum could "catch people stealing" (whatever that means!), that still wouldn't mean that not stealing was optimal.

We don't know the alternatives (worse can happen if you're not using your action) and we don't know what we miss out on (the actions bring information, information that may be worth much more than someone dying).

[Mafia-5]

Cause the argument goes both ways. Way to go with trying to stop the town from sending in night actions by fearmongering.

Look.  You are doing it wrong.  You are either scum trying to get the Town to expose themselves by claiming "OMG FEARMONGERING!!" or Town that can't think very well.  If no one submits night actions and no one dies at night, guess what? We have a good idea of how the game mechanics work. Plus you asked us our scum reads via PM which is bad juju.  In either case, you aren't of any value to this Town.

 

Vote Werewolf

[Mafia-18]

 

So? How does this prove anything?

 

You said you had no idea if town could die by getting caught stealing.  So I posted the scene where town died by getting caught stealing. 

 

It proves that you are continuing to advocate for a way in which scum can kill town.

 

WTF

 

We do not know whether that is tied to the night action "stealing" (or HOW it is tied to it). Well, stupid is stupid. Not worth arguing with the wall.

[Mafia-18]

 

Cause the argument goes both ways. Way to go with trying to stop the town from sending in night actions by fearmongering.

Look.  You are doing it wrong.  You are either scum trying to get the Town to expose themselves by claiming "OMG FEARMONGERING!!" or Town that can't think very well.  If no one submits night actions and no one dies at night, guess what? We have a good idea of how the game mechanics work. Plus you asked us our scum reads via PM which is bad juju.  In either case, you aren't of any value to this Town.

 

Vote Werewolf

 

So you think it's a good idea to try and not use any stealing actions the night? You do realize that you're giving full info to the scum on what's going on at night, right?

[Mafia-17]

yes I agree we have no idea as to whether being "caught stealing" is tied to the "stealing" action.

 

 

ARE YOU MENTAL?