[Basic] Operation Domination - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[Graendal-Mafia]

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[Belal-Mafia]

Alright then, seeing as who I am isnt important im just going to go straight to the game. Though youll prolly guess who I am after this.

 

Still think Graendal is, if not scum, then a very unhelpful townie. Leaning towards scum though.

 

Lets do a quick count. ((From front page, should be up-to-date))

 

Aginor-Mafia - Pretty quiet. Needs some looking, I dont think they are one of the few remaining scum though.

 

Balthamel-Mafia - Not looking good after the past few days. I think he is a good choice for today if not Graendal.

 

Belal-Mafia - Hi! Town.

 

Graendal-Mafia - You know my thoughts on this.

 

Halima-Mafia - I am going to lean town on this one.

 

Lanfear-Mafia - Same as before

 

Mordeth-Mafia - Is he really still alive? Im thinking that the mafia are keeping him alive at this point because he has looked like a good lynch prospect for awhile. I am going to say town.

 

Rahvin-Mafia - No real opinion of him. I havnt seen much at all from him and dont lean either way.

 

Sammael-Mafia - Quiet as well.

 

Semirhage-Mafia - I cant remember my opinion of her right now, but when I do ill get it on here.

 

Now somewhere in here is our doc, our cop ((If the finder didnt fill that roll than he is still out there. I am thinking the finder did fill that roll though so he is alive. If he isnt alive I would say at this point come out and tell us who you have viewed town. It would narrow down the suspect list alot. Unless of course all those you viewed are now dead. Then stay shushy.)) and our remaining scum.

 

I would really like Graendal to finally be gotten rid of but I can settle for Balth, which seems to be the way alot of people are pointing today.

[Guest Sammael-Mafia]

lǝɯɐɥʇlɐq ǝʇoΛ

I don't know whether this is an attempt to be funny or if you're serious. Your vote right now doesn't count. At this stage of the game, I don't see much reason to be deceptive and fake vote. We're on Day 5, we've got 3 scum down, possibly four depending on whether SH was scum or not. And nice try, Be'lal for trying to frame it that a lot of people are pointing at Balth when only two people have posted since Red advanced the phase. I'm open for a nice long chat as to what we should do today.

 

Now, Be'lal, you seem eager to jump onto Balth. I'd like to hear your reason for doing so. And did you skim to catch up? A lot of the answers to some of the questions you're asking can be found in the OP.

 

Graendal is not helping her case along with her refusal to expand further on exactly what makes Balth scummy. I saw the statement about the NK's too, but that in itself doesn't sell me on his scumminess. It would be kind of stupid for the mafia to kill one of their own, ya know? So I agree with the conclusion Balth drew, but not the way he stated it. I'm open to hearing more about Balth though, because I'm not seeing what you are.

[Belal-Mafia]

2 things. Yes only 2 people have posted since the phase started, but things were also said before this phase. You know the rest of the game? Yeah things were said yesterday.

 

2. Why would I need to catch up? I was killed barely 24 hours ago. Maybe 26...

[Guest Sammael-Mafia]

2 things. Yes only 2 people have posted since the phase started, but things were also said before this phase. You know the rest of the game? Yeah things were said yesterday.

 

2. Why would I need to catch up? I was killed barely 24 hours ago. Maybe 26...

1. Yeah, but what are you specifically referring to? I could read through this whole thread, and still not find what you're talking about. You've given what you believe about people, but not why you believe that. And I had no clue up until now who you were in your previous life.

 

2. That's fair enough. I didn't connect the dots and I didn't know that Red had brought you back from the land of the dead. But you still have missed a lot. Like the fact that our finder is kinda dead. And I'm not following your logic when you say that the finder and cop were two distinct roles. Because it's turning me in circles.

[Guest Sammael-Mafia]

But now, Mesaana/Be'lal, I am off to attempt to dig up specifically what you said. I will return shortly.

[Guest Sammael-Mafia]

Interesting... proof we have an odd night vig.

 

Had there buddy did you not see that he was one of the 2 killed?

 

 

Also it was pretty obvious due to the fact that Demandred was night killed, the mafia team wouldn't have killed one of their own. The surprised act will not work especially since you botched it.

 

Vote Balthemel

 

Now I'm seeing it. But remember, Red did say that all action happened simultaneously in the rules, which means that Asmo's shot would have gone off even though he was killed. It's probably logical to assume that Asmo didn't kill himself.

[Guest Sammael-Mafia]

Unvote. Revote SH.

 

Isn´t deadline today? Where is everyone?

*whistle*

 

So got anyone you will actually stick to when voting? You jump on whatever train has the current public eye. You vote me when it looks like im starting to get heat and then you move your vote the moment someone else's train picks up. My vote is staying where it is thank you very much.

Unvote. Revote SH.

 

Isn´t deadline today? Where is everyone?

*whistle*

 

So got anyone you will actually stick to when voting? You jump on whatever train has the current public eye. You vote me when it looks like im starting to get heat and then you move your vote the moment someone else's train picks up. My vote is staying where it is thank you very much.

 

What about this comment from earlier, Be'lal? You said this in your past incarnation, and it's something that I happen to agree with. Mordeth looks to me like he's trying to cheerlead from the sidelines, but not trying to put actual reasoning out there. He also did that for the vote on you yesterday too.

[Guest Sammael-Mafia]

Stupid quote button...it's double quoting every time I click it. I'm sorry for all the short posts, because it's a nightmare to try and compose anything longer with quotes that double up and repeat. I've got more coming though.

[Belal-Mafia]

Short posts are understood, im having to make an effort to get everything into one thing

 

2 things. Yes only 2 people have posted since the phase started, but things were also said before this phase. You know the rest of the game? Yeah things were said yesterday.

 

2. Why would I need to catch up? I was killed barely 24 hours ago. Maybe 26...

1. Yeah, but what are you specifically referring to? I could read through this whole thread, and still not find what you're talking about. You've given what you believe about people, but not why you believe that. And I had no clue up until now who you were in your previous life.

 

2. That's fair enough. I didn't connect the dots and I didn't know that Red had brought you back from the land of the dead. But you still have missed a lot. Like the fact that our finder is kinda dead. And I'm not following your logic when you say that the finder and cop were two distinct roles. Because it's turning me in circles.

 

I was brain dead at that momen. I had apparently thought that the Finder was another role, separate from that of the cop. I actually went back and re-read that part and now see my error.

 

Mordeth I did think was being a cheerleader. But I moved on to people I believe are scum more than him. Over time I noticed how people constantly brought up Mordeth again and again and again. Every time he was brought up we were distracted from the current task/lynch/person and moved back over to him. I think now that he is being nothing but a scape goat, someone the mafia can point to and say "What about him?! We were looking at him before lets go back!" to change the subject.

[Red2111]

i forgot to mention this. the Role Call challenge applied only to D4. how you vote is set back to normal for now

[Guest Halima-Mafia]

Okay. We have a long list of townies and a few mafiosi with which to do a proper vote-count analysis. I will do one for days one and two. Give me a wee while in which to do so.

[Graendal-Mafia]

˙ʇı uo ǝɯ ʞɹɐɯ op ǝsɐǝld ǝɔuɐʇs lɐıɔıɟɟo ʎɯ sı ʇɐɥʇ puɐ oƃ oʇ ʎɐp ǝɥʇ ʇuɐʍ I ǝɹǝɥʍ pǝʇoʌ I ʎɯɯɐS ʇunoɔ ʇ,uplnoʍ ǝʇoʌ ʎɯ ʎɥʍ ǝɹns ʇou ɯɐ I

[Belal-Mafia]

˙ʇı uo ǝɯ ʞɹɐɯ op ǝsɐǝld ǝɔuɐʇs lɐıɔıɟɟo ʎɯ sı ʇɐɥʇ puɐ oƃ oʇ ʎɐp ǝɥʇ ʇuɐʍ I ǝɹǝɥʍ pǝʇoʌ I ʎɯɯɐS ʇunoɔ ʇ,uplnoʍ ǝʇoʌ ʎɯ ʎɥʍ ǝɹns ʇou ɯɐ I

This right here? This is a perfect example of not giving a rats ass about town winning this game anymore. He is purposely doing things like this because it frustrates people and he knows that what he is doing is no help to us at all. Still questioning why I am so willing to vote and lynch him?

[Graendal-Mafia]

Interesting... proof we have an odd night vig.

 

Had there buddy did you not see that he was one of the 2 killed?

 

 

Also it was pretty obvious due to the fact that Demandred was night killed, the mafia team wouldn't have killed one of their own. The surprised act will not work especially since you botched it.

 

Vote Balthemel

 

Now I'm seeing it. But remember, Red did say that all action happened simultaneously in the rules, which means that Asmo's shot would have gone off even though he was killed. It's probably logical to assume that Asmo didn't kill himself.

 

˙ooʇ ʇno pooʇs Ɛ ʎɐp ʎlɹɐǝ pıɐs ǝɥ ɟɟnʇs ǝɥʇ ɟo ǝɯos ʇnq 'ǝsɐɔ ʎɯ ɹoɟ ǝsɐq ǝɥʇ s,ʇɐɥ┴ ˙pǝıp pǝɹpuɐɯǝp uǝɥʍ sɐʍ ǝɹǝɥʇ ʍǝuʞ llɐ ǝʍ uǝɥʍ ǝɯɐƃ ǝɥʇ oʇuı ǝʇɐl sıɥʇ ʞs/ƃıʌ ɐ sɐʍ ǝɹǝɥʇ ʇɐɥʇ ƃuıʞɔoɥs sɐʍ ʇı ɟı sɐ ɟɟo ʇı ʎɐld oʇ pǝıɹʇ ɥʇlɐq ˙ʇoɥsᄅ ɐ pɐɥ ʞS ǝɥʇ 'ǝɯɐƃ s,lǝsɐq uı ǝʞıl ʎʇılıqɐ ƃıʌ ʇoɥsᄅ ɐ sɐʍ ʇı ƃuıʇʇǝq ɯ,I ˙ƃuoɹʍ ƃıʌ ʇɥƃıu ppo uɐ ƃuıǝq ʇı ʇnoqɐ ʇuǝɯǝʇɐʇs s,ɥʇlɐq sǝʞɐɯ oslɐ ɥɔıɥM ˙ʎlʇɔǝɹɹoɔ llɐɔǝɹ I ɟı oʍʇ ʇɥƃıN pǝllıʞ sɐʍ pǝɹpuɐɯǝp uǝɥʍ ƃıʌ ɐ sɐʍ ǝɹǝɥʇ ʇɐɥʇ snoıʌqo ƃuıǝq ʇı ʇnoqɐ sɐʍ ʇuǝɯǝʇɐʇs ʎɯ ʇɐɥʇ uO

[Graendal-Mafia]

˙ʇı uo ǝɯ ʞɹɐɯ op ǝsɐǝld ǝɔuɐʇs lɐıɔıɟɟo ʎɯ sı ʇɐɥʇ puɐ oƃ oʇ ʎɐp ǝɥʇ ʇuɐʍ I ǝɹǝɥʍ pǝʇoʌ I ʎɯɯɐS ʇunoɔ ʇ,uplnoʍ ǝʇoʌ ʎɯ ʎɥʍ ǝɹns ʇou ɯɐ I

This right here? This is a perfect example of not giving a rats ass about town winning this game anymore. He is purposely doing things like this because it frustrates people and he knows that what he is doing is no help to us at all. Still questioning why I am so willing to vote and lynch him?

 

˙ǝǝs noʎ ʇɐɥʍ ǝɯ llǝʇ puɐ pɐǝɹǝɹ ɐ op oƃ 'lɐlǝq ǝɹǝɥʇ uʍop ǝpısdn ʇsod oʇ ʇsɹıɟ ǝɥʇ ʇou ɯ,I ʎllɐnʇɔ∀

[Belal-Mafia]

Did I say you were the first? No. I didnt. I said you are doing it consistently and that you have stopped caring about winning this game. I am going to tell you right now, I refuse to read any but the shortest of your upside down posts because of how much they annoy me and because of what they, to me, represent. Youve got something important to say to me grow up and post it like normal. Till then, im done with this.

[Graendal-Mafia]

˙ʎsɐǝ os ǝɯɐƃ sıɥʇ ɟo puǝ ǝɥʇ ƃuıʞɐɯ ɹoɟ noʎ ʞuɐɥ┴ ˙ɹǝʇɐl ʇǝƃɹɐʇ ɐ noʎ ǝʞɐɯ plnoʍ ɥɔuʎl sıɥ ɥʇıʍ ʞo ǝɹɐ noʎ ƃuıʎɐs ʇou puɐ ɯnɔs sı ǝɥ ʍouʞ noʎ ǝsnɐɔǝq ɥʇlɐq ɥʇıʍ oƃ plnoɔ noʎ pǝuoıʇuǝɯ noʎ ¡¿lɐpuǝɐɹפ ʞɔɐʇʇɐ ɹǝƃuol ou noʎ ʎɥʍ ǝʞıl uǝǝq puɐ ǝɹǝʍ noʎ oɥʍ ʇno pǝɹnƃıɟ ǝuoʎuɐ pɐɥ noʎ ɟo pǝʇɔǝdxǝ ǝq plnoʍ ʇɐɥʍ s,ʇɐɥʇ ǝsnɐɔǝq pǝuɹnʇǝɹ noʎ uǝɥʍ ǝɯ uo sunƃ ɹnoʎ oʇ ʞɔnʇs noʎ ˙ɯnɔs ǝɹɐ noʎ pǝʌoɹd noʎ ʇnq ʇɹoɟɟǝ pooƃ ɐ sɐʍ ʇI ˙lɐlǝq ǝɯ ʇıpǝɹɔsıp oʇ ƃuıʎɹʇ ǝɔıu 'ɯnɔs ƃuıuıɐɯǝɹ ǝɥʇ ǝɹɐ lǝɯǝɥʇlɐq puɐ lɐlǝq

[Belal-Mafia]

Vote Graendal

[Guest Semirhage-Mafia]

Vote Belal.

 

Pretty sure Graendal is under a post restriction again due to slipping up yet again.

 

And despite the last couple of days, I'm still leaning town on him.

[Belal-Mafia]

Vote Belal.

 

Pretty sure Graendal is under a post restriction again due to slipping up yet again.

 

And despite the last couple of days, I'm still leaning town on him.

Post restriction eh? And he cant do a single thing to even hint/give us the impression of this. He cant say something like "I dont like this either." or anything that could be even remotely taken to mean he is under a restriction? Uh huh... I dont buy it.

[Guest Halima-Mafia]

Okay folks, long post, so I'll organise it into sections. I went and skimmed through the entire thread just now.

 

 

I: I don't think Graendal's scum. Firstly, observe how Demandred-scum voted for Graendal for a silly reason on Day Two:

 

Vote: Graendal

 

Revealing as vanilla town on Night 1 is straight up anti-town.

 

Also, we've seen the upside down text PR elsewhere:

 

˙uıpıɹoW ɥʇıʍ ƃuıɔuɐʇsıp puɐ sısɐq ou ɥɔnɯ ʎʇʇǝɹd sɐɥ ʇɐɥʇ uıɐɹʇ ɐ ƃuıɥsnd ʎlƃuoɹʇs ɹoɟ ʎluıɐɯ 'suosɐǝɹ pǝʇɐʇs ʎlsnoıʌǝɹd ɹoɟ [ɹoloɔ/][q/]lɐpuǝɐɹפ ǝʇoʌ[pǝɹ=ɹoloɔ][q]

 

 

II: Now, some scummyish posts I've found:

 

Firstly, Sammael choosing to pick somebody who probably wasn't scum over somebody who definitely was. I wonder why?

 

I find the SH/Moridin dynamic interesting. I'll bite.

 

unvote. Vote SH

 

Secondly, Mordeth finding reasons not to vote for Moridin - confirmed scum.

 

As soon as Graendal started to get pressure Moridin gets a lot of votes. Unvote. Vote Graendal.

 

 

Balthamel, voting for somebody who's probably town but doing the "but this person you people think is scummy is scummy too!" just so he doesn't look too anti-town later:

 

Behind on my reading; I'll catch up soon. Had some technical difficulties involving a dead battery. But even what I've caught up to makes me want to vote Shaidar Haran. If he's actually Rand, then both his slip and the subsequent flailing are highly scummy. Every game I've played with him, when he's made a slip like that he's been scum. I know we're not supposed to be using meta, but it's way too obvious. And Moridin is being scummy too. I've only got three more pages to be caught up; be there in a few minutes.

 

 

III: Results of the Vote-Count Analysis

 

To be honest, this wasn't that helpful. Day one consisted of a bit of mucking around, and then lynching Moridin for his fakeclaim. Day Two was more interesting, but then we all lynched Quishy because of the cop-claim. Day three, everybody was inactive. Day four, pretty much the same.

 

However, I went and looked at the people that the scum voted for, across the entire game. Names in bold indicate that they were for a lynch:

 

Demandred: Aginor, SH, Mesaana, Moridin, Mesaana, Moridin, Graendal, Ishy,

Ishy: Moridin, Ishy (lol)

Moridin: Graendal

 

The above would indicate that Graendal and probably SH are/were not scum; both Demandred and Moridin have found Graendal a convenient place to park their votes. Given EP's manner of playing, that's understandable.

 

That Sammael has continued to do so concerns me. Given that he chose SH instead of Moridin to vote for on Day One, I'm going that way for now.

 

Vote: Sammael

[Rita Skeeter]

Mesaana was a mistake. I will continue down my list and vote Sammael.

 

I´m happy that Belal got replaced. I wonder why he attacked Graendal for her posting. Isn´t it obviously a pr?

[Lanfear-Mafia]

 

Vote Belal

 

Belal lives! But new Belal seems off kilter to me.

[Aginor-Mafia]

vote sammael