[Basic] Operation Domination - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[Guest Halima-Mafia]

Statistically, the odds that Graendal is actually mafia are pretty low - how many games have you been in where you just pick them off day after day? I understand this, and am happy to hear other arguments, especially concerning lurkers that have barely contributed.

 

That's a silly argument. By that logic, the odds of Graendal being shown to be mafia are the same as anybody else being mafia, except perhaps for me, and so the town may as well not vote for anybody.

 

To be honest, the town's not in such a good place. We've had two easy mafia kills and one mafia nightkill. There's no record of people actually making a choice when voting for an actual lynch - it was always an obvious scum lynch. We need to start doing that, though of course we don't have much choice.

 

Dashivarez's shenanigans yesterday caught us a scum, but they didn't really accomplish anything. Quibishy turned out to be mafia, and perhaps Graendal is tainted by association, but there's nothing very solid in that. Asmo, I'd appreciate it if you could rethink your thoughts on Graendal in light of this information. (Also, it wasn't as good a play as some people said. He mislead us, and was going to let us lynch Graendal without any proof, and only then reveal his investigation - after he'd found scum? Incredibly risky.)

 

I'm going to read the thread again. But since SH isn't scum (unlike what was first hinted by our cop), and since we don't know that Graendal is scum (unlike what was then hinted by our cop), we're back to square one. And I'm simply not feeling the Graendal wagon. I'm not normally big on the whole competing trains thing, but the town needs this argument. Lynching people one-by-one probably isn't the way to go (it'd be boring, if nothing else).

 

vote: Shaidar Haran

[Guest Halima-Mafia]

Actually, I think I'm remembering the saga of Arez's reveal a little wrongly. My point still stands.

[Asmodean-Mafia]

Actually, I'm pretty sure Gradenal holds the record in the number of posting errors. I was surprised that EP hasn't been replaced by now. Which sort of draws my attention. There was obviously no point in placing a PR on Dashiva because he got night killed. And knowing Red... a smiley restriction is very typical of her.

 

I'm gonna do a bit of a reread to sort out my thoughts. I'll post again once I'm done.

 

If this is the general consensus, then I'm going to put my Graen-case on the back burner. No poin in pushing something that the accused can't answer, and no point in distracting from other case.

 

Are folks in general agreement with Cyndi?

[Asmodean-Mafia]

Statistically, the odds that Graendal is actually mafia are pretty low - how many games have you been in where you just pick them off day after day? I understand this, and am happy to hear other arguments, especially concerning lurkers that have barely contributed.

 

That's a silly argument. By that logic, the odds of Graendal being shown to be mafia are the same as anybody else being mafia, except perhaps for me, and so the town may as well not vote for anybody.

 

To be honest, the town's not in such a good place. We've had two easy mafia kills and one mafia nightkill. There's no record of people actually making a choice when voting for an actual lynch - it was always an obvious scum lynch. We need to start doing that, though of course we don't have much choice.

 

Dashivarez's shenanigans yesterday caught us a scum, but they didn't really accomplish anything. Quibishy turned out to be mafia, and perhaps Graendal is tainted by association, but there's nothing very solid in that. Asmo, I'd appreciate it if you could rethink your thoughts on Graendal in light of this information. (Also, it wasn't as good a play as some people said. He mislead us, and was going to let us lynch Graendal without any proof, and only then reveal his investigation - after he'd found scum? Incredibly risky.)

 

I'm going to read the thread again. But since SH isn't scum (unlike what was first hinted by our cop), and since we don't know that Graendal is scum (unlike what was then hinted by our cop), we're back to square one. And I'm simply not feeling the Graendal wagon. I'm not normally big on the whole competing trains thing, but the town needs this argument. Lynching people one-by-one probably isn't the way to go (it'd be boring, if nothing else).

 

vote: Shaidar Haran

 

Halima, with all due respect, you misconstrue my point: I am saying that I don't find it likely that a mafia team would bungle a game so badly. I wasn't actually trying to present a statistical case, I merely used the phrase.

 

I also greatly disagree with your assessment of our position - this is a 20 person game, out which we have already disposed of 3 mafia. We are in a GREAT position. Out of 15 remaining players, 1or 2 players are still mafia. That's a great place to be...

 

I also disagree with your assessment of gameplay. I find it naive, frankly, that you would not consider what is happening behind the scenes. Of course, I was also surprised that you protected yourself last night. Especially in a basic game, you never actually wifom the protection of a cop. The town needs their viewing (think of what we could be talking about right now...) more than a Doc. The wifom is just a pretend argument that you throw out just in case you've got a newb mafioso dumb enough to fall for it.

 

I'm not trying to crash your opinion, but I'm not willing to support it either.

 

And, again, having everybody participate will all but cement a town victory here.

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

Still reading stuff but I have to ask...

 

I need time to think and go back and read more deeply because I'm not sold on the Graendal vote at this moment in time. I think that her behavior was odd after Dashiva's hinting, but given that she wasn't viewed, I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt for now. Unvote.

 

Graendal sounds like a good choice to me. If we aren't going to be able to get solid communication from her, she is a liability.

 

However, I am open to hearing what she has to say through smileys.

 

Graendal, do you believe that the players whose names you've bolded in the vote counts you quoted previously are scum?

 

First of all, I find it odd that someone who's willing to listen to what Graendal has to say would vote her first and listen later. We just started the day phase. There's no pressing rush.

 

 

My question is... What changed? Because your previous stand was that you were going to give Graendal the benefit of the doubt because she wasn't truly viewed. Now you claim Graendal is a good choice for a lynch and all the reasoning you've given is that she's a liability if she's unable to speak. So is your stand that we should lynch Graendal because she got slapped with a PR?

 

OR

 

Have you gone back and read more deeply (as you said you would) to find that you do think she's scummy? If so it'll be nice to see what you're basing your vote on.

 

 

I took a look in all your posts in the game. You've posted very little. Not that much content. Quite a few good jokes. And I'm not really liking the way you just shifted towards Graendal when she's not able to defend herself. But before when she was able, you gave her the benefit of the doubt and unvoted her.

 

Suffice to say I'm quite interested to see the reasoning behind your vote.

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

And even though I cut this off to avoid a big block of a quote...

 

Asmo, I'm getting the feeling that he's trying to stir the pot and trying to get others to argue with him. When I read his arguments, I felt like I was running in circles. The fact that he was tunneling on Graendal is also suspicious to me - it seems to me like he has it out for her specifically and is not going to be satisfied until she goes down. I think it goes above and beyond the nature of what I'd expect from their two characters from the books.

 

Well if you think that then why are you the second person to vote Graendal after him? Asmo being the first to cast a vote on Graendal is no surprise. He's been very consistent in his opinion. You on the other hand said he's going above and beyond to lynch Graendal. You've found it suspicious. You think he wants Graendal down whether she's town or scum. You take the time to point all of this out. And then you fall in with him when it's voting time lol

[Graendal-Mafia]

I am not good at picking up meanings from smileys, and judging from the hints that Graendal was dropping in the last phase, I believe that she's only allowed to communicate through smileys. Nor do I understand the significance behind the bolded names in the vote count.

 

Graendal sounds like a good choice to me. If we aren't going to be able to get solid communication from her, she is a liability.

 

However, I am open to hearing what she has to say through smileys.

 

Graendal, do you believe that the players whose names you've bolded in the vote counts you quoted previously are scum?

 

(^.^)b

[Graendal-Mafia]

Actually, I'm pretty sure Gradenal holds the record in the number of posting errors. I was surprised that EP hasn't been replaced by now. Which sort of draws my attention. There was obviously no point in placing a PR on Dashiva because he got night killed. And knowing Red... a smiley restriction is very typical of her.

 

I'm gonna do a bit of a reread to sort out my thoughts. I'll post again once I'm done.

 

(u.u)

 

And even though I cut this off to avoid a big block of a quote...

 

Asmo, I'm getting the feeling that he's trying to stir the pot and trying to get others to argue with him. When I read his arguments, I felt like I was running in circles. The fact that he was tunneling on Graendal is also suspicious to me - it seems to me like he has it out for her specifically and is not going to be satisfied until she goes down. I think it goes above and beyond the nature of what I'd expect from their two characters from the books.

 

Well if you think that then why are you the second person to vote Graendal after him? Asmo being the first to cast a vote on Graendal is no surprise. He's been very consistent in his opinion. You on the other hand said he's going above and beyond to lynch Graendal. You've found it suspicious. You think he wants Graendal down whether she's town or scum. You take the time to point all of this out. And then you fall in with him when it's voting time lol

 

(^.^)/ \((^.^)

[Guest Semirhage-Mafia]

A few thoughts...

 

I don't believe Graendal to be mafia. And I can totally see Red imposing a PR like this for EP's repeated rule infractions.

 

I agree with Halima's point about Dashiva's willingness to both clear Shaidar Haran and let us lynch Graendal without an investigation on either, when all along he knew he had found mafia. It wasn't necessarily a useful move for town, although I'm sure there were mafia who where more than willing to run with it, they would blend in to the townies who were willing to believe an uncontested cop.

 

However, we are doing very well numbers-wise - 3 mafia down on Day 3. We're just going to have to dig a little harder to unearth the rest of the mafia. If we're fortunate, the mafia team has already lost those who are best at flying under the radar and blending in to the town, and the ones who remain will be easier to flush out with a bit of pressure.

 

I have a town read on Cyndane. Her point about Sammael was a good catch, and I would be willing to follow that train of thought a bit more.

 

I'm also leaning town on Lanfear.

 

Balthamel has been pinging me some, but I'll have to go back through later and re-read to define why. I'll also be looking for patterns with Demandred, since we now know for sure he was scum.

 

And right now, despite his hardcore effort to discredit Graendal, I am leaning toward town on Asmodean. Truthfully, I think mafia would not have bothered to attempt to discredit EP that hard.

 

There are some who have been entirely too quiet, and I completely agree that we need everyone to weigh in so we'll have a better idea of where to focus from here on out.

 

Speaking of inactivity, what is up with Bel'al?

[Lanfear-Mafia]

An interesting think about this game is I'm finding myself relying on feelings and my gut way more than I usually do and I like it.

 

The problem is sometimes I get a feeling about someone but I have no reasonable case to make on them.

 

I have some feelings right now, but I'd rather wait to watch a bit on postings.

 

 

 

[Lanfear-Mafia]

That being said, for now...

 

Vote Belal

 

 

Without a definitive lead right now the silent type seems most suspicious.

[Aginor-Mafia]

I'm pretty sure Graendal is not scum.

 

VOTE ASMO.

 

Now there is a fine specimen of scum.

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

An interesting think about this game is I'm finding myself relying on feelings and my gut way more than I usually do and I like it.

 

The problem is sometimes I get a feeling about someone but I have no reasonable case to make on them.

 

I have some feelings right now, but I'd rather wait to watch a bit on postings.

 

That would work.... if I remembered who it was I had gut feelings towards. The alt accounts kinda hurt in that department as well tho

 

That being said, I'm gonna go with the one person I DO have a "gut feeling" towards.

 

Vote Asmodean

[Balthamel-Mafia]

I'm not sure where to go now. Grendael has been sort of scummy, but EP is always that way. SH has been the perfect townie since he replaced Rand. And Asmo, WIFOM-ish as he may be, is reading town to me. What this really calls for is another re-read, and I hate doing that.

 

 

Balthamel has been pinging me some, but I'll have to go back through later and re-read to define why.

Please explain? I'd like to know what you think is scummy about me.

[Balthamel-Mafia]

I do agree with Semhirrage and Lanfear about Bel'al. His silence is suspicious.

[Asmodean-Mafia]

Y'all are cute.

 

Care to make a case, or are you just going to go with barely posting, and then tossing a vote out there based on gut feelings?

 

Moggy, just so you know, I haven't forgotten about you at all. I've been waiting to see what folks have to say about Graen, and that seems to be at an impasse today. So, in keeping with my theme of consistency, I'm casing you next.

[Balthamel-Mafia]

Y'all are cute.

 

Care to make a case, or are you just going to go with barely posting, and then tossing a vote out there based on gut feelings?

Was that directed at me?

[Asmodean-Mafia]

Y'all are cute.

 

Care to make a case, or are you just going to go with barely posting, and then tossing a vote out there based on gut feelings?

Was that directed at me?

 

That was directed at Aginor and Moggy - I shoulda quoted, but I I wasn't expecting a posting jam. Go figure.

[Rita Skeeter]

I have re-read the whole thread. *puh*

 

Again sorry for not being here much. I´m going to make up for it now that I have taken notes and know what I think about all of you.

 

My main suspects are Asmo, Mesaana, Sammy and SH. Right now I can vote any of them but I think I will start with SH. My case is still the same as before. Moridin tried to save him and SH defended Moridin. Vote SH.

 

Is Belal playing?

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

I have re-read the whole thread. *puh*

 

Again sorry for not being here much. I´m going to make up for it now that I have taken notes and know what I think about all of you.

 

My main suspects are Asmo, Mesaana, Sammy and SH. Right now I can vote any of them but I think I will start with SH. My case is still the same as before. Moridin tried to save him and SH defended Moridin. Vote SH.

 

Is Belal playing?

 

So if I am reading this right, your main suspects are 2 people who the town most suspects right now and 2 people that have already been FoSed by alot of others in the game. And you are okay with voting any of them. This reads like you trying to cover the bases and make sure that anyway that the majority goes you will be safe.

 

And then you only really give a reason for is SH. You are pretty much echoing the majoritys thoughts right here and not your own.

 

Vote Mordeth scummy base covering is scummy.

[Rita Skeeter]

Maybe there is a reason why these players are the most suspected? lol @ me not echoing my own thoughts.

 

It´s over midnight but if you want me to post some quotes tomorrow, to back up why I think you are scummy, I will.

[Asmodean-Mafia]

Maybe there is a reason why these players are the most suspected? lol @ me not echoing my own thoughts.

 

It´s over midnight but if you want me to post some quotes tomorrow, to back up why I think you are scummy, I will.

 

That's like asking the jury if they'd like to see evidence...

 

If it's not too much trouble, that'd be great.

 

LMAO

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

You can go ahead and case me, Asmo. I have nothing to hide. I'm vanilla town as well, and I have been admittedly less active than I normally would, so a lynch on me wouldn't really hurt the town that much. I just felt you were bulldogging Graen earlier in the game, and your play came off as scummy then, as did your attempt to claim to be the leader of the Moridin lynch.

 

Other than Asmo, my other main suspects are SH and Mesaana. SH because of his connection to Moridin, and remember he defended Moridin as well, and no offense to Rand but he hasn't exactly learned to be that subtle yet. Mesaana I thought had a good case on her from Graen, and she seems a little more prickly ever since being cased.

[ShaidarHaran-Mafia]

Hey, sorry guys. I was unable to post for a while due to rl stuff. I'm back now. Although I can't continue with my reread at the moment and need to sleep so actual thoughts must wait a bit.

 

One thing I can say is that Red does give PRs in this game. If you recall, my previous incarnation was posting upside-down during day 2 until he turned into me. He was allowed to vote right-side up so the code would work but that's it.

 

Graendal's smiley stuff is a tad cryptic but imo not too difficult to decipher.

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

I r drunk. Who wants to mafiaz with me?