[Basic] Operation Domination - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[Lanfear-Mafia]

Is my vote broken?

[Graendal-Mafia]

that vc isnt acurate

[Red2111]

VC is accurate now. no Lanny your post didnt stick on the Mulit-quote for some reason

[Graendal-Mafia]

Sammy was voting for me as well red

[Graendal-Mafia]

He popped in for like 2 seconds, voted and went back to hiding in Illian.

[Red2111]

 

Deadline

 

Tuesday August 21st @ 12pm CST

 

Vote Count

 

SH (2): Mordeth, Cyndane

Graendal (8): Demi, Asmo, Mesaana, Dashiva, Hamila, Sammy, Moggy, SH, Lanny

Asmo (1): Graendal

 

 

No Vote: Belal, Ishy, Rahvin, Semi, Aginor, Balth

[Aginor-Mafia]

I don't see the case on Graendal.

 

I definitely get the David Hermes reference for Dashiva. Horrible cop play if he/she really is the cop.

 

Asmo and been making very poor cases.

 

VOTE ASMO

[Graendal-Mafia]

I want to hear from those that only voted me because Dashiva was falsly hinting at viewing me. I like Halima's instincts, and understand the vote from Her, Sammy though I don't have a good read on I'd especially like to hear his thoughts on the matter.

[Graendal-Mafia]

Just a heads up, I probably wont be on much tonight gonna take a break from the interwebz and work on my writing.

[Guest Sammael-Mafia]

Re: Graendal

 

I voted for her with the assumption that Dashiva had indeed viewed her as scum due to the cop claim when it came out. Graendal didn't do herself any favors in my book with the way that she reacted either - she went from accepting a lynch on herself if that's what it would take to find scum to fighting tooth and nail when Dashiva had implied that he viewed her.

 

Dashiva's play - not so keen on that he needlessly revealed without finding scum, as it means that Halima's gotta WIFOM it the rest of the way. But Graendal's sudden change in heart with Dashiva stuck out to me a lot. If she was town, if Dashiva had indeed fake claimed, I'd have thought that she'd have taken it for the town if it would have meant catching a liar like she was professing she would on day 1.

 

Asmo, I'm getting the feeling that he's trying to stir the pot and trying to get others to argue with him. When I read his arguments, I felt like I was running in circles. The fact that he was tunneling on Graendal is also suspicious to me - it seems to me like he has it out for her specifically and is not going to be satisfied until she goes down. I think it goes above and beyond the nature of what I'd expect from their two characters from the books.

 

I need time to think and go back and read more deeply because I'm not sold on the Graendal vote at this moment in time. I think that her behavior was odd after Dashiva's hinting, but given that she wasn't viewed, I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt for now. Unvote.

 

I have to go resume work shortly, so expect more from me this evening.

[Dashiva-Mafia]

After this dispute betwen Graendal and Asmo have been solved, or if you choose to follow down another path, I will have something more that I'd like to reveal that will get the game back to a high pace. Hopefully, this will encourage people to start voting.

[Ishamael-Mafia]

After having a talk with the Lord Mod Almighty, it has been determined that I will be allowed to continue in this game. Fortunately, me accidentally outing myself means that I don't have to act like a slightly over-sensitive individual towards GraendEP's style in order to hide my identity. It also means I can openly gloat about how awesome my namesake is in these day/night posts.

 

Back later with an actual case.

[Guest Halima-Mafia]

After this dispute betwen Graendal and Asmo have been solved, or if you choose to follow down another path, I will have something more that I'd like to reveal that will get the game back to a high pace. Hopefully, this will encourage people to start voting.

 

Go for it. I haven't any better ideas. A Graendal lynch might be good, but my gut doesn't agree.

[Dashiva-Mafia]

I meant, after a lynch has been achieved, regardless of who gets lynched (although I still think Graendal is the best way to go), I will reveal this information.

[Asmodean-Mafia]

Re: Graendal

 

I voted for her with the assumption that Dashiva had indeed viewed her as scum due to the cop claim when it came out. Graendal didn't do herself any favors in my book with the way that she reacted either - she went from accepting a lynch on herself if that's what it would take to find scum to fighting tooth and nail when Dashiva had implied that he viewed her.

 

Dashiva's play - not so keen on that he needlessly revealed without finding scum, as it means that Halima's gotta WIFOM it the rest of the way. But Graendal's sudden change in heart with Dashiva stuck out to me a lot. If she was town, if Dashiva had indeed fake claimed, I'd have thought that she'd have taken it for the town if it would have meant catching a liar like she was professing she would on day 1.

 

Asmo, I'm getting the feeling that he's trying to stir the pot and trying to get others to argue with him. When I read his arguments, I felt like I was running in circles. The fact that he was tunneling on Graendal is also suspicious to me - it seems to me like he has it out for her specifically and is not going to be satisfied until she goes down. I think it goes above and beyond the nature of what I'd expect from their two characters from the books.

 

I need time to think and go back and read more deeply because I'm not sold on the Graendal vote at this moment in time. I think that her behavior was odd after Dashiva's hinting, but given that she wasn't viewed, I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt for now. Unvote.

 

I have to go resume work shortly, so expect more from me this evening.

 

I'd like to clear up a couple of points - my arguments against Graen are not intended to "tunnel", nor am I trying to get her lynched at any cost - those are both arguments that she has posed to try and slink away from the case I've made against her. It's just that imo, she has displayed the most scum-tells of any player in the game, and she's like the gift that keeps on giving. So I'll keep pointing those things out unless another player suddenly seems scummier.

 

I fully understand that if she swings town, that looks bad on me. That's why every point in my casing is based on her play style, and I stand by every point that I've made. Honestly, if she was lynched and did turn out to be town, I would consider it a huge distraction gone. I've said it before, but I'll say it again - if Graen is town, she's doing one of the best scum imitations I have ever seen.

 

I'm also happy to solidify my stance on things to try and clear up any confusion.

 

1. I absolutely do not play, nor do I agree with players who do, by casing on meta. These arguments are not based on actual gameplay, and they ALWAYS provide too much wifom for the scum to spin. It's a bad tactic and it loses games. Period. Continued talk about players behind the alts and what they have done in past games is just going to ping me harder. It is pure wifom and the way Graen has used it to qualify player's actions and as an interpretation of the setup are terrible, terrible mistakes that only benefit scum.

 

2. When Dashiva revealed as Finder, that should have been taken as seriously as Halima's Doc claim. I do not agree with the way he revealed, but that does not negate the fact that we have an uncontested Finder with a Town result on a player. Where I come from, you take a Finder claim at its word unless it is CC'd, and you trust the results. The argument that folks have made that SH may still be a GF is completely null in my view. So what? It's been said, and we've got him in our back pocket if he ever needs to be lynched - there is no such thing as a player that is so important to that the mafia would hang themselves to protect them, GF or otherwise. It's a numbers game, plain and simple. Graen has fear-mongered the possibility of a GF, as well as other roles, and has also tried to point me out as a player "important to the scum team". This is either obvious scum play, or just sheer stupidity.

 

3. The other thing that's bugging me is that this is a Basic Game. Why do certain players keep trying to insert Advanced roles or scenarios into it? I've seen others make the same comment I just have, and have agreed with them. I just don't see how any pointless speculation helps the town.

 

Hope that clarifies where I'm coming from. I'm happy to go on record with more if anyone likes.

[Guest Halima-Mafia]

I agree that SH is most likely town.

[Graendal-Mafia]

Just remember when I flip town Asmo led this case, unlike his bs claim of leading the Moridin case.

[Graendal-Mafia]

Asmo, before I go digging through and casing you up. What are your thoughts on Mordeth and Mesana. Depending on your response I may be casing someone else.

[Asmodean-Mafia]

Just remember when I flip town Asmo led this case, unlike his bs claim of leading the Moridin case.

 

I was absolutely the most outspoken leader of the Moridin case - it's just a simple fact. I'm also the unquestioned leader on your case - believe me, no one will forget.

[Asmodean-Mafia]

Asmo, before I go digging through and casing you up. What are your thoughts on Mordeth and Mesana. Depending on your response I may be casing someone else.

 

Go ahead and case me, sugar. I'd love to see where your scum-logic gets you with that.

 

If I thought Messana or Mordeth was worth remarking on, I'd have already done it. I'm going to focus on you and on Moggy who obviously championed you to the extent that it looked like you two synchronized your logic.

[Gabriel Kross]

Cool, Scum list:

 

Mordeth

Mesana

Asmo

 

Willing to go with whichever one the majority wants.

 

3 Cases incoming.

[Demandred-Mafia]

Blood and ashes, how hard is it to stay on the alt accounts?

[Gabriel Kross]

What?

[Asmodean-Mafia]

Is this a stunt?

[Gabriel Kross]

Vote Asmodean. Let´s see who will kill him this time.

 

Ok, this very early in joke vote phase, no relevance at the time of posting will come back to this later.

 

Is the Asmo vc right?

 

This however was interesting, aparently there was a typo in the votecount on Asmo and Mordeth jumps in and is like is that right?

 

Weekend. It shouldn´t stop us from killing Asmo though.

Psh. I'm an easy lynch, you know.

Fixed that for ya.

 

This exchange between the 3 of them fetlt like subtle distancing to me (obviously Moridin took out the not from what Asmo actually said but I am only quoting Moridin's post to make it as short as possible even though there are only 9 quotes here)

 

 

I don´t like the way Graendal puts preausre on SH because he is Rand. I don´t know what have happened in previous games. I guess he made some mistakes as scum? Anyway, this is an alt game and I don´t like votes based on what player is behind the alt.

 

Lot of people that haven´t voted yet.

 

He outed himself he gave us the information. The more information town has the better we can find the scum I don't like this descrediting because I was using meta on Rand

 

As soon as Graendal started to get pressure Moridin gets a lot of votes. Unvote. Vote Graendal.

 

Subtle redirect off the Moridin train onto me, given we know Moridin's alignment this post should have been scrutinised. I think the only one that brought this up was Halima, I was so busy arguing with scummy cop (not saying he is mafia atm but am saying he is playing scummy) and Scumodean that I completely forgot about Mordeth and Mesana.

 

I have no idea what the vc is but unvote, vote Moridin.

 

Here we have scum trying to slip in just in time to be on the record of voting the busted scum buddy

 

I also reacted to Moridin´s reveal, since Poet is a staff member, not an admin. (You get it by now.) It seems like Asmo doesn´t understand the difference between a staff member and an admin. Try this. It´s funny that he tries to spin this to look like Greandal is scummy. Everyone that have been at DM for some time knows the difference between an admin and a staff member. If you played a Disney game and someone claimed Donald Duck /mouse then you would react. This is the same thing.

 

SH will have my vote tomorrow and Asmo is the next one if nothing else come up.

 

About directing the cop - it´s never good. Someone said that mafia would only do it if they have a GF but they could also have a watcher and then they will know who the cop is.

 

Here we have Mordeth saying he reacted to the Poet thing... did anyone else see a reaction? I looked at every post from Mordeth and there was none, there is only one post I left out of this and it was before the 3 way between Mordeth/Moridin/Asmo so yea... total bs there Mordeth flag thrown. He says he will vote Asmo on there too but when the SH train never really started he never returns to move his vote to Asmo. Remember Asmo was getting drilled pretty hard from this point on.

 

Vote SH.

 

slips in to vote SH He is on record as voting the person he said he'd vote.

 

My reason for voting SH has to do with Moridin´s defens of him and also the way SH defended Moridin. We are so used to se WIFOM everywhere and believe in well thought out plots. Sometimes we forget to look at the simple scumtells as what it is - scumtells. I bet Mordinin said in the qt that no one would believe in that obvious scum protecting scum scenario so lets go for it.

 

This is the last post from Mordeth, he doesn't even return to dump a vote on me during Dashiva's shenanigans and that was an easy way out from him saying he'd vote Asmo.

 

Side Note Asmo I notice something funny going back looking at Mordeth's posts. You posted alot to bury your day play. Naughty scum you.