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[Basic] Operation Domination - Game Over - Mafia Wins

Red2111

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Graendal-Mafia Enthusiast

Graendal-Mafia

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GF is in almost every game are you kidding me? That's not introducing a role into a game. It's odd to not have a GF in a game. This is a basic game, so it's likely we are looking at cop doc GF and maybe 1 more role if any.

 

Blatant exaggeration. More often than not, GF is not used. It is a very powerful scum role and should be used sparingly.

 

That's personal opinion, I've not played a game with out a GF yet and I've played quite a few games.

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Graendal-Mafia

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Lets say SH got lynched and he flipped town, would you be willing to lynch Graendal afterwards?

 

Why not view me, if we lynch SH, I'm unsure on him personally I can see him being the GF but do not have a 100% read on him, since he was modreplaced.

Demandred-Mafia Apprentice

Demandred-Mafia

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GF is in almost every game are you kidding me? That's not introducing a role into a game. It's odd to not have a GF in a game. This is a basic game, so it's likely we are looking at cop doc GF and maybe 1 more role if any.

 

Blatant exaggeration. More often than not, GF is not used. It is a very powerful scum role and should be used sparingly.

 

That's personal opinion, I've not played a game with out a GF yet and I've played quite a few games.

 

That is a lie.

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/71104-basic-terminator-mafia-town-and-sk-win/

Demandred-Mafia Apprentice

Demandred-Mafia

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Please tell me wombat is still reading this and watching our so called cop flail. Kind of a repeat of Super Smash Brothers game.

 

Are you David, Dashiva?

 

Speaking of which, was there a Godfather in that game?

Guest Cyndane-Mafia

Guest Cyndane-Mafia

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Lets say SH got lynched and he flipped town, would you be willing to lynch Graendal afterwards?

 

If SH flips town it'll be a matter of going back and rereading everyone's stand in regards to him and the way they went about it. I'd be willing to consider lynching Graendal if the suspicion falls on her. But I could say the same about any other player, really. The results of the casing that will be done will speak for themselves.

ShaidarHaran-Mafia Apprentice

ShaidarHaran-Mafia

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Okay, now that I've caught up on the nearly 200 posts since I went to bed last night....

 

Least important comment first: I didn't disappear, Graendal; I posted a bit and started a second read of the thread, then I had to go to bed. When I woke up, I went to work. I have come home, eaten my first meal of the day, and caught up. If it's scummy to have any activities outside of a mafia game, you might as well lynch anyone who doesn't post once an hour, every hour, for the duration of their in-game lifespan.

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With the theory that I'm GF and that's why I returned a town result and why Moridin defended me.... I can see where you're coming from, but I actually don't think the GF role itself would have been worth all the hardcore defense Moridin put out there.

 

If you're looking at it purely from a setup standpoint maybe it makes sense, but realistically, if you have someone on your mafia team who is acting way too scummy and people are looking at them and you know they're going to be lynched sooner rather than later, you cut your losses and start doing damage control. Bus them, even, if you think it's the best way to fly under the radar for the remainder of the game. I can see mafia trying to redirect attention off of me and trying to refute the case on me if I was GF to a point, but I don't see them completely sacrificing another player and drawing even MORE attention to me that way.

 

Obviously it's possible because Moridin's play makes very little sense to me knowing I'm town, so all around it was just a big stew of idiocy and who knows if they really would do that same thing just for the GF role. But I don't think it makes as much sense as some are claiming. The whole thing made me MORE likely to be lynched, not less.

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I don't even know what to think of Graendal anymore. I'd been getting a pretty strong town read on her for most of the game up till the point where she looked in danger of being lynched. If she's town, I do understand her sudden fight since Dashiva acted like he'd viewed her last night and got a scum result, and if someone is fake claiming finder and trying to lynch you it is going to be rather...irksome.

 

However, I think the reaction was extreme. As many others have said, if we lynch you and you flip vanilla town, if Dashiva had actually lied and said he viewed you last night, we would turn around and lynch him tomorrow. That's the smartest move for town to make when you have an uncontested cop claim and a supposed scum who claims their alignment is being lied about. Better to lose a townie and be sure the cop claim is fake than to risk lynching the real cop and leaving a scum alive.

 

And you have offered yourself up for the lynch so many times over the course of the night and today, yet suddenly it was all raging and fighting and acting like anyone who wanted to lynch you is scum?

 

Not to mention suddenly trying to figure out who is behind every alt. It comes off as you grasping at straws--if you know the meta of all the main participants in the "discussion" that was going on, maybe there's some button you can push to get someone to back off, or maybe you can say "see, this person would never do this as town so they're lying." Or something to that effect.

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In regards to the post right above mine from Cyndane--I guess this is a belated answer to the question I asked earlier. I asked if my lynch would net information whichever way I flip (or at least if the balance is "scum vs info"). Apparently, the answer is "not without effort." Meaning, "no, we're just hoping you're scum and if you're town...we'll go from there, I guess."

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All in all, I actually think Graendal is the best way to go. If she's scum, she's scum, and if she's town, that would actually help me with information (hopefully everyone else, too) and also it's a big distraction out of the way.

 

And now I'm going to go back and continue meandering my way through the thread to see if I can glean anything useful from it.

ShaidarHaran-Mafia Apprentice

ShaidarHaran-Mafia

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Sorry, I forgot to say that I'm going to try and beef up the amount of information you guys could get from my death by sharing as many thoughts as I can while I read through the thread.

 

Right now I'm on page 9 and Mordeth and Mesaana are sticking way out to me. They both say "wow this Moridin train has built really fast guys" and for various reasons put their vote on Graendal (Mordeth's reason = Graendal got some pressure and suddenly Moridin's train caught fire; Mesaana's reason = Graendal is acting scummy). In hindsight, knowing Moridin was scum, this intrigues me.

 

At the time I'm posting I've gone up through page 12. On my very first read through I had been getting a scum vibe from Asmo; at this moment I'm getting the impression he's either town or else he's scum doing a pretty good job of looking town (the Moridin thing would've been a great opportunity for scum to get some townie cred). I think I'll have a more solid opinion by the time I'm back to where I joined in.

 

Last thought for the moment: there are a lot of players who haven't weighed in today. Jeez.

Guest Moghedien-Mafia

Guest Moghedien-Mafia

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I'm feeling a lot more confident with my vote now. It could still be a possibility that SH is a GF, but his last couple of posts def seem more townie to me, and Graendal has started flailing ever since she started catching more pressure today. This, after encouraging others to lynch her is just scummy, cop claim from Dashiva or not.

 

Plus, the thing that really started planting the seed in my head that Graendal might be scum was when he mentioned another game where he was NK'ed after doing something he considers similar. It's really scummy to try and reference other games you were town in to try and clear yourself in this one EP. And what happened in that game really isn't similar at all to what's going on this game. You've put up some weak defense today, and considering I had a town read on you at the start of the day all you've done is shoot yourself in the foot.

Guest Semirhage-Mafia

Guest Semirhage-Mafia

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I honestly don't get the impression Graendal is mafia. I was in the process of a re-read and it had just occurred to me that Graendal was EP right before I refreshed the thread and saw his reveal. He did quite a good job of disguising his identity until midway through the night phase argument with Asmodean, but the longer the debate dragged on, the more his personality started coming through in his posts. What some of you interpret as flailing when Dashiva tried to imply he had a scum viewing on Graendal, it just looked like classic "gotcha" TownieEP to me.

 

Some of you will probably berate me for taking player meta into account in an alt game, but it does make a difference how we view peoples' actions based on who is behind them. Take for instance Moridin, who we know to be mafia, and most of you are ready to assume made a boneheaded move D1 defending Rand Haran. Those of you who have played a fair number of the recent games on this site, think about it this way. Consider how differently you would view his actions D1 if you knew (using people who as far as I know are not in this game) Moridin was actually Mynd, as opposed to David Hermes.

 

I alluded to this before, but I do know who Moridin was. There are very few people in this game that I have been able to peg, and for the most part I haven't really tried very hard. A lot of us have varied our playstyle or posting habits, or just don't have that distinctive of a style to where others could get a good read on who we are under these alts. Some of us haven't tried very hard at all to hide our identities. Some of us sign in anonymously, some of us do not. I had a particular interest in trying to guess which alt went with a couple of different people in this game, and I happened to catch a couple of things that clued me into Moridin's identity.

 

Knowing that, I fully believe his D1 lynch was orchestrated, at least to a point. The use of the alts allowed him to get away with something that he probably wouldn't have gotten away with otherwise.

 

Currently, I'm very suspicious of Asmodean for a couple of reasons - first, for making sure he got the credit for pushing Moridin's lynch, and second, for trying so very desperately to discredit Graendal.

 

I'm also thinking it's a decent chance that Shaidar Haran could be a godfather. The definition of "basic" seems to be very stretched by a lot of games in this forum, and it really isn't unheard of for a basic game to include a godfather, especially if the mafia team is on the small side or the town has an extra power role or two.

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Aginor has asked to be replaced and his replacement beat me to the punch :laugh:

 

 

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Tuesday August 21st @ 12pm CST

 

Vote Count

 

SH (2): Mordeth, Cyndane

Graendal (7): Demi, Asmo, Mesaana, Dashiva, Hamila, Moggy, SH, Lanny

Asmo (2): Sammy, Graendal

 

 

No Vote: Belal, Ishy, Rahvin, Semi, Aginor, Balth

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