[Basic] Operation Domination - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[Asmodean-Mafia]

YOU DID NOT LEAD THE CASE ON HIM YOU BACKED DOWN THE TRAIN WAS DEAD WHEN HALIMA CC'D LEADING THE CASE IMPLIES THERE WAS STILL A CASE TO LEAD. If anything your back and forth almost saved Moridin because no one was listening to you.

 

Wrong. I invite anyone and everyone to do a re-read and then pot their view as to who made the biggest and most prolific case against Moridin.

 

I didn't back down when i switched my vote to SH - he was the vote leader, and Red posted the deadline as 12 pm instead of 12 am. In the interest of avoiding a random lynch and penalties, I moved my vote.

 

No one voiced any objection to my posting until I started casing you. Interesting that...

 

Primarily yes I was focused on SH I've never denied that, but was willing before the reveal botched or not to go either SH or Moridin.

 

This doesn't make sense to me - why would you have been willing to lynch Moridin before "the reveal botched"? He wasn't even a factor. What is this?

 

 

"I could buy that" is not me defended him. It was me taking the claim at face value when I shouldn't have because of a botch. I then realised that and stated my opinions with the next 2 posts.

 

Okay - says you. But you have to admit that a townie could see that as distancing. It is, by nature, the very definition of distancing, and fits perfectly with your Graendal contrived playstyle.

 

We had plenty of time to case still if you were so sure you had scum you should have convinced people to switch to Moridin not move your own vote.

 

I need to go back and look, but I'm almost positive Red posted that deadline as 12 pm instead of 12 am. Look at the time stamp on my vote, as wll as my explanation.

 

After the CC you had no choice, you were clearly screwed, you built distance between you and Moridin so you could bury your vote on SH when the train on Moridin died. You obviously weren't expecting the Doc to out themselves so early.

 

This is just petulant trash-talk. I am clearly on record with my case against Moridin and my disagreement with Demandred. I never went back on either. You trying to paint it any other way is just plain scummish.

 

I'm in blue.

[Graendal-Mafia]

refrase that, if he claims cop with a view on me.

[Guest Halima-Mafia]

If he claimed cop and nobody counterclaimed, we would then lynch you straight off. If you turned out to be town, we would then lynch him for being a lying liar who lies in a lying manner, probably through a fake moustache. Standard play.

[Asmodean-Mafia]

Vote Asmodean

 

I seriously hate how he keeps trying to puff himself up as the leader on Moridin's lynch. Not how I recall it going down at all, and he's crazy scummy for trying to take credit for the lynch when Halima's CC IS the thing that sealed it.

 

Re-read for you. Especially my posts where I plainly state that the CC was the motivation for the lynch. I'm just standing up as the primary case-builder and lynch leader on Moridin's train. It's all on record.

 

Oh and I def have a town read on Graendal, most of the people that have gone after her were already pinging in my book, and did you see how quick a bunch of votes went on her? Scum trying to build a fast lynch imo.

 

Contrived as hell.

 

I def was thinking I would be voting for SH today, but I think I saw something which makes me think he might not be the way to go today. That being said, I REALLY hate Asmo's stance that the only thing against SH was Moridin defending him, completely ignoring the fact that Rand Haran was defending Moridin as well, and scummily called out for a Doc CC.

 

You think you saw something? Did you want to point it out, or just leave everyone to figure you and Graen just agreed to say that in your scum chat? Unbelievable.

[Graendal-Mafia]

YOU DID NOT LEAD THE CASE ON HIM YOU BACKED DOWN THE TRAIN WAS DEAD WHEN HALIMA CC'D LEADING THE CASE IMPLIES THERE WAS STILL A CASE TO LEAD. If anything your back and forth almost saved Moridin because no one was listening to you.

 

Wrong. I invite anyone and everyone to do a re-read and then pot their view as to who made the biggest and most prolific case against Moridin.

 

I didn't back down when i switched my vote to SH - he was the vote leader, and Red posted the deadline as 12 pm instead of 12 am. In the interest of avoiding a random lynch and penalties, I moved my vote.

 

No one voiced any objection to my posting until I started casing you. Interesting that...

 

So Moridin is smart enough not to defend a team mate in your eyes but others are not? You sir made a slip there.

 

Primarily yes I was focused on SH I've never denied that, but was willing before the reveal botched or not to go either SH or Moridin.

 

This doesn't make sense to me - why would you have been willing to lynch Moridin before "the reveal botched"? He wasn't even a factor. What is this?

 

Before he revealed he was definately a factor, he had how many votes on him? You so claim to have been leading his case at the time yet he wasn't a factor? MAJOR slip.

 

 

"I could buy that" is not me defended him. It was me taking the claim at face value when I shouldn't have because of a botch. I then realised that and stated my opinions with the next 2 posts.

 

Okay - says you. But you have to admit that a townie could see that as distancing. It is, by nature, the very definition of distancing, and fits perfectly with your Graendal contrived playstyle.

 

Personal opinion I can't defend against opinion so won't

 

We had plenty of time to case still if you were so sure you had scum you should have convinced people to switch to Moridin not move your own vote.

 

I need to go back and look, but I'm almost positive Red posted that deadline as 12 pm instead of 12 am. Look at the time stamp on my vote, as wll as my explanation.

 

I usually only read the vote counts to see who voted where, players make a bigger deal about the deadlines than the mods do so if the deadline was close people were keeping it very hush hush

 

After the CC you had no choice, you were clearly screwed, you built distance between you and Moridin so you could bury your vote on SH when the train on Moridin died. You obviously weren't expecting the Doc to out themselves so early.

 

This is just petulant trash-talk. I am clearly on record with my case against Moridin and my disagreement with Demandred. I never went back on either. You trying to paint it any other way is just plain scummish.

 

Personal opinion, the same as you saying my "I could buy that" was distancing I say this was.

 

I'm in blue.

 

Go ahead and read the green

[Asmodean-Mafia]

You guys should have already been able to figure out who I am based on my playstyle, and erratic behavior with a vanilla claim. I've done it very recently. Though I was NK'd that game.

 

Revealing is allowed - why tease? If you can't win on skill, you can always try and use you real identity as WIFOM. lmao

[Guest Halima-Mafia]

Can we please stop the Asmo vs Graendal fight? I love the way your alts tie into the backstory from the books, but to me it just looks like you're tunneling needlessly on each other. I'm not certain of your alignments, though I'm fairly sure Graendal's town, and I don't want to lynch either of you today. So, save it until tomorrow at least.

[Graendal-Mafia]

You may have started the original case Asmo, but I personal believe you didn't expect people to bite. You kept with it because people already saw you casing it but you were just going through the motions. The train was dead you were no longer leading the case when people decided Moridin had to go, give it up.

[Dashiva-Mafia]

I'm more than fairly sure Graendal is scum.

[Graendal-Mafia]

You guys should have already been able to figure out who I am based on my playstyle, and erratic behavior with a vanilla claim. I've done it very recently. Though I was NK'd that game.

 

Revealing is allowed - why tease? If you can't win on skill, you can always try and use you real identity as WIFOM. lmao

 

I don't need to reveal who I am. I was just seeing who would respond with what. Thank you for suggesting that inducing WIFOM would be a good idea, because that's a great town thing to do in this scenario... (sarcasm btw)

[Graendal-Mafia]

I'm more than fairly sure Graendal is scum.

 

With what proof go ahead and whip out that cop fake claim so you can die day 3. Come on make it easy.

[Dashiva-Mafia]

Not claiming anything. Just stating the truth.

[Graendal-Mafia]

Well I hope you're ready for it to be wrong. Dashiva was a loon in the books, maybe you just fit the character.

[Dashiva-Mafia]

I fit him like a glove.

[Asmodean-Mafia]

I'd really suggest lynching Graendal. Most people are just on Asmo because you're afraid of his game-style.

 

he has made more valid points than Graendal, and I'm positive Graendal is scum.

 

How are you positive? Are you willing to stake your own life upon it? Cause if I go along with it and she flips town, I'm going to want to string you right up next to Asmo after that

 

YES. I am willing.

 

Eh, I'm still not willing to buy it unless you come out with some kind of info claim. I was considering that you might be the cop, but I think if you were then viewing SH would have made far more sense. Imo the people leading the lynch on Moridin yesterday were Graendal and Halima, and Moridin even tried starting a train on Graendal. I can't see the cop being that dumb to view her instead of SH after that.

 

So now you're going to just make things up? This is such a blatant and fabricated defense of Graen that i'm not even sure if it's serious.

 

You trying to lead people to think that the Cop definitely did not investigate Graen is just the cherry on top.

 

Just for the record, bringing a very noticeable case against another player at night is one way to attract a cop view, either of yourself or of that other player.

[Graendal-Mafia]

I don't claim leading the Moridin lynch btw I just pointed out an inacuracy in his reveal.

[Guest Halima-Mafia]

I'm more than fairly sure Graendal is scum.

 

I'm going to treat this like a cop claim.

 

unvote, vote: Graendal

[Graendal-Mafia]

I wasn't even sure at the time I pointed it out that the staff lables would be accurate, so my pointing it out was me just stating that it was innacurate based on the true information. Moridin should have known better based on his actual role. That however is neither here nor there.

[Graendal-Mafia]

I'm more than fairly sure Graendal is scum.

 

I'm going to treat this like a cop claim.

 

unvote, vote: Graendal

 

Cool just know that the scum is leading the doc by the nose. He wont admit to being cop, being he knows after the Moridin both that I can, call complete bs on his fake claim, on top of the possibility of the cop revealing.

[Graendal-Mafia]

Dashiva go ahead and "claim" your role so I can poke holes through it.

[Asmodean-Mafia]

@ Graendal: Neither of you have to die yet. I don't do the whole 'if I'm town, lynch him' thing. That's not a case, it's just emotion. Cool it.

 

@ Dashiva: None of this 'lynch her, I'm sure she's scum' business, either. If you have a cop viewing, claim it. Otherwise, you're not convincing anybody. (Needless to say, if you're not cop, don't fakeclaim.)

 

The way I see it is this: Rand slipped and posted without his alt. Then he did his funny little denial dance. He got criticized from a few players for it (I need to go back and re-read to see who they were). And then Moridin jumped in to defend him.

 

Before Moridin defended him, I really didn't give any thought to the entire episode - just wrote it off as day 1 silliness. When Moridin popped up to defend a point that I didn't feel needed defending (there was no real train building on SH), I took it to be a scum move. Scum know who is not mafia, and seeding a few defenses of town members is always beneficial to reflect back on when they inevitable get run up later in the game.

 

That's my logic.

 

Alternately, I have never seen - and I am serious - a scum team so inept that they get one member lynched needlessly defending another - and on no less than day 1. I hear the case that you and others are presenting - I even see the logic of it - I just can't believe that anyone would do anything so obvious.

 

Okay, I get your logic, but you haven't said why you disagree with my point - that if that were Moridin's goal, he only needed to lightly defend Rand. Instead, he went all out and made it obvious - so much that he got wagoned and forced to fakeclaim over it. Why? Also, Moggy raises a good point that Rand defended Moridin as well.

 

Your last point is where I think the crux of the matter lies. Scum often mess up. Townies can only pick up scum when they mess up. If we start thinking 'oh maybe that's too obvious, it can't possibly be true,' we'd never get anywhere. We'd be turning around in WIFOM circles all day long.

 

Perhaps it is spectacularly stupid. I'm not saying that it's good mafia play, just that it only makes sense as mafia play. Given that one of the players turned out to be Rand, who is known for not being the most terrifying mafia player on DM, would you put it past them?

 

Please understand, I am saying that I have an opinion and you have an opinion. We won't know who is right or wrong until the end of the game, but it will only help the town if we talk about them and dissect them.

 

As far as being stupid goes, you've so far nailed scum on day 1 which puts the town in an excellent position to win. If that's wrong, then baby, i don't want to be right.

[Dashiva-Mafia]

Scum trying to rolefish before she/he die.

[Guest Halima-Mafia]

unvote

 

Blegh... for now. I want a proper explanation from Dashiva before I follow him. My gut impression of the posts attacking Graendal is that scum are working to try and bring her down.

 

 

@ Asmo, since you've ignored my last post to you, how do you account for the fact that Rand and Moridin seemed to be working together? I really would like you to explain why you don't want to go with the most obvious explanation for the behaviour. Sure, it's stupid if both are scum, but not unimaginably so. See below:

 

Graendal is obviously scum.

 

Also, unvote, vote Fadey al'thor (Shadar-Haran if you please)

 

Basing her vote on meta. Sure, Rand Haran made a goof, but isn't the whole point of an alt-game to not use meta? So you know who he is, so what? That is a valid reason to vote him? Because you know who he is? Weak.

So what you are saying is you are a roleblocker. "I don't usually out things I try to hide, but when I do I should have stopped talking several posts ago."

 

And say whatever you like about periods and question marks, but this is role fishing, plain and simple. Scummy.

 

Kill Graendal, she is scum.

 

 

Yeah, I also agree with this, easily jumping on a train for no good reason, or if there is one, not even saying what it is, and then trying to figure out who I am, very fishy/scummy.

 

vote Graendal

 

 

I also want to note this post defending Moridin from Mesaana:

 

This Moridin train built really fast. Infact the last 4 votes on him all came within the span of an 2 hours.

 

Graendal, calling youself a townie doesnt mean you are one. Ive seen, and been, the scum try and disregard such votes by saying "Im a town and I am selfless. I am willing to take one for the team." Before. Along with the fact that you suddenly arnt going to defend against that "silly" vote when you have been responding to most everything said against you up till now reeks.

 

Vote Graendal.

[Graendal-Mafia]

pfft, I just know you are not the cop. You are scum sir.

[Guest Halima-Mafia]

Also, Dashiva, if you're cop or something similar, you've made it obvious enough that you may as well finish off your reveal. If you're not, then your half-claim is either anti-town or scummy, depending on your alignment.