[Basic] Operation Domination - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[Graendal-Mafia]

Quick everyone get behind Asmo so this utter farce can be ended.

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

Vote Asmodean

 

I seriously hate how he keeps trying to puff himself up as the leader on Moridin's lynch. Not how I recall it going down at all, and he's crazy scummy for trying to take credit for the lynch when Halima's CC IS the thing that sealed it.

 

Oh and I def have a town read on Graendal, most of the people that have gone after her were already pinging in my book, and did you see how quick a bunch of votes went on her? Scum trying to build a fast lynch imo.

 

I def was thinking I would be voting for SH today, but I think I saw something which makes me think he might not be the way to go today. That being said, I REALLY hate Asmo's stance that the only thing against SH was Moridin defending him, completely ignoring the fact that Rand Haran was defending Moridin as well, and scummily called out for a Doc CC.

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

Oh and just for poops and giggles we should let Graendal hammer Asmo

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

And for the record, Womandred said he didn't see any way revealing at night could be a townie move, but if I was a vanilla townie and getting the heat Graendal was, I might have done the same thing just to show I was putting all my cards on the table. A vanilla claim isn't exactly some kind of great maneuver to clear attention off yourself, so claiming early really isn't that anti-town in my book.

[Dashiva-Mafia]

I'd really suggest lynching Graendal. Most people are just on Asmo because you're afraid of his game-style.

 

he has made more valid points than Graendal, and I'm positive Graendal is scum.

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

Hmmm. I prob phrased that poorly. Darn it.

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

I'd really suggest lynching Graendal. Most people are just on Asmo because you're afraid of his game-style.

 

he has made more valid points than Graendal, and I'm positive Graendal is scum.

 

How are you positive? Are you willing to stake your own life upon it? Cause if I go along with it and she flips town, I'm going to want to string you right up next to Asmo after that

[Dashiva-Mafia]

And for the record, Womandred said he didn't see any way revealing at night could be a townie move, but if I was a vanilla townie and getting the heat Graendal was, I might have done the same thing just to show I was putting all my cards on the table. A vanilla claim isn't exactly some kind of great maneuver to clear attention off yourself, so claiming early really isn't that anti-town in my book.

 

Put all cards on the table? Claiming vanilla townie?! That is completly useless!

Any half-arsed scum can claim vanilla town. I'm curious to why you suddenly popped in to defend her?

 

Graendal flips scum, I'm comming after you.

[Dashiva-Mafia]

I'd really suggest lynching Graendal. Most people are just on Asmo because you're afraid of his game-style.

 

he has made more valid points than Graendal, and I'm positive Graendal is scum.

 

How are you positive? Are you willing to stake your own life upon it? Cause if I go along with it and she flips town, I'm going to want to string you right up next to Asmo after that

 

YES. I am willing.

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

Oh and why would we be afraid of Asmo's game-style? We don't know who he is... that might be a scum slip on your part Dashiva

[Dashiva-Mafia]

Have you not been reading his posts? He's been really aggresive and making valid points to nail Graendal all the time.

 

None of you seem to want that happening to you.

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

And for the record, Womandred said he didn't see any way revealing at night could be a townie move, but if I was a vanilla townie and getting the heat Graendal was, I might have done the same thing just to show I was putting all my cards on the table. A vanilla claim isn't exactly some kind of great maneuver to clear attention off yourself, so claiming early really isn't that anti-town in my book.

 

Put all cards on the table? Claiming vanilla townie?! That is completly useless!

Any half-arsed scum can claim vanilla town. I'm curious to why you suddenly popped in to defend her?

 

Graendal flips scum, I'm comming after you.

 

I said I had a town read on Graendal. Why would I stand back and watch someone I have a town read on get speedlynched on really stupid reasoning?

 

And I thought you were positive Graendal was scum. Why is it now just a possibility?

[Graendal-Mafia]

I think Asmo is just pigheaded, I originally had a town read on him but all his "I lead the lynch on Moridin" BS changed my mind.

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

Have you not been reading his posts? He's been really aggresive and making valid points to nail Graendal all the time.

 

None of you seem to want that happening to you.

 

He's been spouting bullcrap, and defending someone who was acting pretty crazy scummy day 1. Aggression does NOT equal good town play, in fact most of the time it's quite the opposite.

 

Name one good point you've seen Asmo raise against Graendal.

[Graendal-Mafia]

Have you not been reading his posts? He's been really aggresive and making valid points to nail Graendal all the time.

 

None of you seem to want that happening to you.

 

I don't see any valid points but then I know I'm town. I'm drawing the scum, and town will see that when I die. keep playing into it I beg you.

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

I'd really suggest lynching Graendal. Most people are just on Asmo because you're afraid of his game-style.

 

he has made more valid points than Graendal, and I'm positive Graendal is scum.

 

How are you positive? Are you willing to stake your own life upon it? Cause if I go along with it and she flips town, I'm going to want to string you right up next to Asmo after that

 

YES. I am willing.

 

Eh, I'm still not willing to buy it unless you come out with some kind of info claim. I was considering that you might be the cop, but I think if you were then viewing SH would have made far more sense. Imo the people leading the lynch on Moridin yesterday were Graendal and Halima, and Moridin even tried starting a train on Graendal. I can't see the cop being that dumb to view her instead of SH after that.

[Dashiva-Mafia]

You'll see when she flips.

[Graendal-Mafia]

This point either me or Asmo have to die even if Asmo unlikely as it is is town. I have volunteered myself to be lynched so if you don't think my case on Asmo was convincing enough lynch me. Just make sure you lynch Asmo the next day.

[Graendal-Mafia]

You guys should have already been able to figure out who I am based on my playstyle, and erratic behavior with a vanilla claim. I've done it very recently. Though I was NK'd that game.

[Dashiva-Mafia]

You're playing the "go ahead and lynch me card" FARR to much.

[Graendal-Mafia]

I'm not "playing it" I'm just giving advice my death would give alot of information.

[Graendal-Mafia]

No rolless townie should ever be afraid to take a lynch if it has alot of information tied to it. I've always believed that. The Vanilla townies in most games make or break the town. The ones that sit back and let someone else do the casing are the ones who let the Doc or Cop get NK'd because they are not voicing their opinions. The vanilla should be drawing the mafia's eye if you aren't you're doing it wrong.

[Graendal-Mafia]

That whole discussion was an attempt to understand your position. I was making no statement on my beliefs. My attempts at understanding were obvious. There is no reason to imply otherwise.

 

Also I find it funny that someone who was willing to take the effort to listen to what I was saying was killed, scum team are killing off my supporters. They knew Halima would self protect, so they targeted someone who took the time to understand my position.

[Guest Halima-Mafia]

@ Graendal: Neither of you have to die yet. I don't do the whole 'if I'm town, lynch him' thing. That's not a case, it's just emotion. Cool it.

 

@ Dashiva: None of this 'lynch her, I'm sure she's scum' business, either. If you have a cop viewing, claim it. Otherwise, you're not convincing anybody. (Needless to say, if you're not cop, don't fakeclaim.)

 

The way I see it is this: Rand slipped and posted without his alt. Then he did his funny little denial dance. He got criticized from a few players for it (I need to go back and re-read to see who they were). And then Moridin jumped in to defend him.

 

Before Moridin defended him, I really didn't give any thought to the entire episode - just wrote it off as day 1 silliness. When Moridin popped up to defend a point that I didn't feel needed defending (there was no real train building on SH), I took it to be a scum move. Scum know who is not mafia, and seeding a few defenses of town members is always beneficial to reflect back on when they inevitable get run up later in the game.

 

That's my logic.

 

Alternately, I have never seen - and I am serious - a scum team so inept that they get one member lynched needlessly defending another - and on no less than day 1. I hear the case that you and others are presenting - I even see the logic of it - I just can't believe that anyone would do anything so obvious.

 

Okay, I get your logic, but you haven't said why you disagree with my point - that if that were Moridin's goal, he only needed to lightly defend Rand. Instead, he went all out and made it obvious - so much that he got wagoned and forced to fakeclaim over it. Why? Also, Moggy raises a good point that Rand defended Moridin as well.

 

Your last point is where I think the crux of the matter lies. Scum often mess up. Townies can only pick up scum when they mess up. If we start thinking 'oh maybe that's too obvious, it can't possibly be true,' we'd never get anywhere. We'd be turning around in WIFOM circles all day long.

 

Perhaps it is spectacularly stupid. I'm not saying that it's good mafia play, just that it only makes sense as mafia play. Given that one of the players turned out to be Rand, who is known for not being the most terrifying mafia player on DM, would you put it past them?

[Graendal-Mafia]

@ Graendal: Neither of you have to die yet. I don't do the whole 'if I'm town, lynch him' thing. That's not a case, it's just emotion. Cool it.

 

@ Dashiva: None of this 'lynch her, I'm sure she's scum' business, either. If you have a cop viewing, claim it. Otherwise, you're not convincing anybody. (Needless to say, if you're not cop, don't fakeclaim.)

 

The way I see it is this: Rand slipped and posted without his alt. Then he did his funny little denial dance. He got criticized from a few players for it (I need to go back and re-read to see who they were). And then Moridin jumped in to defend him.

 

Before Moridin defended him, I really didn't give any thought to the entire episode - just wrote it off as day 1 silliness. When Moridin popped up to defend a point that I didn't feel needed defending (there was no real train building on SH), I took it to be a scum move. Scum know who is not mafia, and seeding a few defenses of town members is always beneficial to reflect back on when they inevitable get run up later in the game.

 

That's my logic.

 

Alternately, I have never seen - and I am serious - a scum team so inept that they get one member lynched needlessly defending another - and on no less than day 1. I hear the case that you and others are presenting - I even see the logic of it - I just can't believe that anyone would do anything so obvious.

 

Okay, I get your logic, but you haven't said why you disagree with my point - that if that were Moridin's goal, he only needed to lightly defend Rand. Instead, he went all out and made it obvious - so much that he got wagoned and forced to fakeclaim over it. Why? Also, Moggy raises a good point that Rand defended Moridin as well.

 

Your last point is where I think the crux of the matter lies. Scum often mess up. Townies can only pick up scum when they mess up. If we start thinking 'oh maybe that's too obvious, it can't possibly be true,' we'd never get anywhere. We'd be turning around in WIFOM circles all day long.

 

Perhaps it is spectacularly stupid. I'm not saying that it's good mafia play, just that it only makes sense as mafia play. Given that one of the players turned out to be Rand, who is known for not being the most terrifying mafia player on DM, would you put it past them?

 

If he claims cop I will know another scum, just sayin.