[Basic] Operation Domination - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[Osangar-Mafia]

I always considered basic game doc cop roleless town mafia god father and roleless goons then again I've never read any of the wikis.

 

I thought the same, but basic and standard games here are interchangeable. And role blocker is a standard role. I found this out the hard way in a previous game.

 

So, there could be a role blocker.

[Osangar-Mafia]

 

The arguments that Graendal has been making seem very logical, which is consistent with townie; also, SH, who is tarnished by association with Moridin, continues to attack her.

 

Bolded.

 

Actually seemingly logical arguments are often used by scum to appear town. Scum are very careful in how they present themselves. So, if you think someone is being the perfect townee, then your hackles should rise a bit. Again, this is a generally known concept and I'm betting many would agree. Given that, let me state that I haven't found his/her arguments all that logical. We all have our perceptions. So, do with that what you will.

 

There is no way you can be certain Graendal is town. Just as there is no way I can be certain he/she is scum.

[Guest Halima-Mafia]

And Osangar, let's be honest here - and there's no backpedalling - you're defending SH. That's scummy. Much scummier than 'setting up a lynch', which isn't scummy at all.

 

 

 

Rand is a 14 year old. He's gonna stab back at anyone who questions him. Human nature for a teenager. It's a null tell. And setting up a lynch is scummy. And I'm betting a majority would agree here.

 

Regardless, we can agree to disagree on this point as I am loathe to continue arguing with the DOC for fear of providing ammunition for scum to try and discredit you.

 

Yeah, nah. I don't go for the ol' argumentum ad populum, myself. I don't even know what 'setting up a lynch' means. It's okay to say during the day, 'okay, this guy was scum, and we caught him because he was defending this guy (incidentally, the same guy you're defending now)', but it's not okay to say that the night before? Besides which, a town won't lynch somebody they don't want to lynch, so it's unfair to lay the blame for the lynch on one person who proposed it before the day phase.

 

I don't understand why you think scum might be able to try and discredit me. I'm as near confirmed as you can get, right now, because I've just counterclaimed somebody who turned out to be scum. You're not confirmed, and you've just figured out that arguing with me isn't the way to help your cause.

 

Also, I'm fully aware that scum like to try and be logical. Often, they don't manage it. You're trying to be logical, I can tell. But sure, there's no way short of a cop claim to tell if she's 100% town, and even then only the cop will know if she's town or not because only the cop knows that they themselves are cop. My gut says that Graendal is solidly town.

 

Basically, you're continuing to argue that: 1) SH is town; 2) Graendal, who's been attacking SH, might not be town. Given what we've learnt about SH, you can understand why I'm not impressed.

[Guest Halima-Mafia]

Also, I think I recognise that habit of double spacing at the beginning of a sentence, Osangar. If I'm right, I suspect that you will be kicking my ass afterwards for the patronising bits in the last post.

[Osangar-Mafia]

Also, I think I recognise that habit of double spacing at the beginning of a sentence, Osangar. If I'm right, I suspect that you will be kicking my ass afterwards for the patronising bits in the last post.

 

I don't get the reference so I'm probably not who you think I am. Or, I'm just dimwitted.

 

Just to address a couple of your points. I'm not sure if Rand is town or scum. I'm sure his actions are null tells. I think others have made way more of a identity reveal than could actually be gleamed from it. I'm perplexed as to why outing himself as Rand makes him scum. I can't see the connection. Graendal will say it's his flail afterwards, but I don't think the term flail was appropriate there. Looked to me like he was having fun with his mistake. It was day 1 and people were looking for anything to pounce on and the pack mentality reared it's head. That's how I perceived the whole thing.

 

What do we know about SH? We know he is Rand and that Moridin sheeped him. Another well known scum tactic. Attach yourself to a town player to make them look scummy when you flip. (Hey Graendal, there is the WIFOM you are looking for. Say thank you.)

 

You stated that you 'don't know what setting up a lynch even means.' Then why did you call it not scummy? To have an opinion it implies you understand the concept.

 

"you've just figured out that arguing with me isn't the way to help your cause." - To a point you are correct. I am town and I'm 99.9999% sure you are town. Yet you have no clue whether I am town or not. If others feel you are vetted town then, subconsciously they will give more credence to anything you say regardless of how logical or illogical it is. So arguing with you is a no win situation for town. Anything I say or point out is going to be met with more resistance than it normally would be if I were arguing with another unknown player. So, even if I am providing valid reasoning and scum hunting well it will be for naught because of others inclination to take your side.

 

It's a no win situation and I came to that conclusion about half way into that post. If you want proof, take a look at BG's game. David was the cop and led many bad lynches with horrible logic. Luckily the vigs were able to overcome the cops mistakes. It happens, it's human nature. (Before some chimes in, I'm aware there are exceptions to the rule.)

[Guest Halima-Mafia]

For me, the issue with rand isn't that he outed himself. It's that Moridin defended him so hard. I get your suggestion that Moridin was sheeping him, but it seems unlikely. Moridin was under no suspicion when he started defending Rand and thus had no reason to drag him down with him. It's strange: you seem very sure that Rand is town, for somebody who professes not to be.

 

I explained my problem with the setting up a lynch thing. Don't ignore that and then pretend I'm being an idiot.

 

I'm more keen than ever to lynch SH.

 

 

 

 

[Ishamael-Mafia]

If I may, Graendal, I don't think that everybody in this game is supposed to be an admin, current or former. I don't think there have been enough admins in DM's history to make that plausible, and Red has pretty consistently used the word "staff" to describe the people whose roles we're playing, not "admin."

[ShaidarHaran-Mafia]

For me, the issue with rand isn't that he outed himself. It's that Moridin defended him so hard. I get your suggestion that Moridin was sheeping him, but it seems unlikely. Moridin was under no suspicion when he started defending Rand and thus had no reason to drag him down with him. It's strange: you seem very sure that Rand is town, for somebody who professes not to be.

 

I explained my problem with the setting up a lynch thing. Don't ignore that and then pretend I'm being an idiot.

 

I'm more keen than ever to lynch SH.

 

Actually Halima, it is less likely that someone will defend their scummate and link the two obviously together as that is a horrible move. Usually, people will just bus them and vote for them. It is way more likely that they will attatch themselves to tow. to look like town, and I think Graendal has already admitted this.

[Graendal-Mafia]

If I may, Graendal, I don't think that everybody in this game is supposed to be an admin, current or former. I don't think there have been enough admins in DM's history to make that plausible, and Red has pretty consistently used the word "staff" to describe the people whose roles we're playing, not "admin."

 

That's not what I said, I said all the current admins are in it but all character names will be exact positions that the staff either currently has or previously filled. Moridin tried to pull a fast one but screwed up by calling Poet an Admin, I wasn't 100% sure at the time that Red might have worded all moderators as Admin but once we knew he was scum I started thinking about it. With Halima's reveal I was pretty sure the current active Admin are all in it. Scum team has Verbal and Barm as we have seen from the opening scene. Halima is Jenn, and I am Taymist. That only leaves 4 Active Admin that can be believed to be in this game, Nae is the only character from the scum team that is a previous staff. I'd say we are only looking at 3-4 staff members from the past and the rest are active currently. That is just my theory though, take it or leave it, as it is only speculation.

[Graendal-Mafia]

For me, the issue with rand isn't that he outed himself. It's that Moridin defended him so hard. I get your suggestion that Moridin was sheeping him, but it seems unlikely. Moridin was under no suspicion when he started defending Rand and thus had no reason to drag him down with him. It's strange: you seem very sure that Rand is town, for somebody who professes not to be.

 

I explained my problem with the setting up a lynch thing. Don't ignore that and then pretend I'm being an idiot.

 

I'm more keen than ever to lynch SH.

 

Actually Halima, it is less likely that someone will defend their scummate and link the two obviously together as that is a horrible move. Usually, people will just bus them and vote for them. It is way more likely that they will attatch themselves to tow. to look like town, and I think Graendal has already admitted this.

 

I was debating the possibility of you being the GF, which I am pretty confident that you are at this point. That is why Moridin would defend SH so hard, people would assume he is town because Moridin was mafia and defended him, and even if he was viewed by the cop he would show town. It is always better to sacrifice a roleless mafia over a godfather for a scum team point of view, if you can effectively pull it off.

[Graendal-Mafia]

I will be voting SH come day.

[Ishamael-Mafia]

I misread, then. My bad.

[Lanfear-Mafia]

I've always seen basic games as doc, cop, sk/vig, GF, and maybe 1 small twist for good measure to keep it slightly interesting and allow for some fake claiming if necessary.

[Guest Rahvin-Mafia]

Well I'm off, I'll be back Sunday.

[ShaidarHaran-Mafia]

I will be voting SH come day.

 

Really, I had no idea. :)

 

Graendal, what I see you doing is trying to come up with a possibility for anything that comes up to prove me mafia. You are stretching my case so much right now. I am pretty sure that mafia wouldn't risk two of their players just for the possibility that no one in this huge game will think of a GF possibility. If I was mafia, I would deserve to die for doing that gambit.

[Dashiva-Mafia]

Urrggg.. What happend? Did I drink to much..?

 

Anyway, I'm back (new me)

 

Going to restart my computer and the make a smmaaaaaalll WoT!

[ShaidarHaran-Mafia]

I am at school right now, will elaborate later.

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

I must say, I don't think I have ever gotten quite as much enjoyment from a mafia game as I have reading up on the last few pages. Flail away, scum! Flail to your heart's content!

 

Hooray at catching scum as well. And maaaaaaaan that scene was long.

 

One question Red. Q Bert themselves? ???

 

I'm not even going to quote all the stuff I found scummy from the last few pages, I think it's obvious what direction we're gonna be going in once day breaks.

 

:)

[Red2111]

Q-Bert is a variation of rule #14

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

Finally caught up! My thoughts for now...A lot of interesting things went down. Still don't know if having Halima step up to reveal Moridin's fib was a good idea in the long run but it was her decision and it's done....and we did nab a scum on day one!! so it's sort of bitter sweet triumph.

 

I agree with Graendal on her theory about the roles. I also noticed Moridin's slip in my reread and since I know the names of pretty much most of the admins the site has seen it did catch my eye (though it bears no relevance now lol). BUT, her noticing and voicing it right after Moridin's "reveal" + her very own reveal has made me lean considerably towards Graendal being town.

 

I still stick to the same sentiment of day 1 and my vote is going right back to SH on day 2. I've not seen anything to change my mind in regards to him. If nothing else, every post he makes makes me believe even more that he's scum. The dynamics between him and Moridin was odd at best. Moridin did overly defend SH for not apparent reason but when the votes shifted towards Moridin's direction then SH was trying to defend him as well. Couple that with my feeling that SH was being instructed on how to repair his error when he mis-posted (heh, made up a word!)... and you got yourself another scum in the bag.

[ShaidarHaran-Mafia]

Actually, all I did was bring up different possibilities, I never actually said that I thought Moridin was town, I just said that I didn't think everyone was considering other possibilities. And if you are going on the theory of Graendal being town because she noticed Moridin's slip, then I think you are missing the point where I was the main person going for a CC. Pretty sure scum wouldn't want a mafia outed after he could have gotten through.

[Graendal-Mafia]

You are the only person asking for a CC which in and of itself is suspectyou do not push for a Doc/cop CC on day 1. If it happens it happens, but pushing for it means you are just trying to out the doc/cop.

[Asmodean-Mafia]

Finally caught up! My thoughts for now...A lot of interesting things went down. Still don't know if having Halima step up to reveal Moridin's fib was a good idea in the long run but it was her decision and it's done....and we did nab a scum on day one!! so it's sort of bitter sweet triumph.

 

I agree with Graendal on her theory about the roles. I also noticed Moridin's slip in my reread and since I know the names of pretty much most of the admins the site has seen it did catch my eye (though it bears no relevance now lol). BUT, her noticing and voicing it right after Moridin's "reveal" + her very own reveal has made me lean considerably towards Graendal being town.

 

I still stick to the same sentiment of day 1 and my vote is going right back to SH on day 2. I've not seen anything to change my mind in regards to him. If nothing else, every post he makes makes me believe even more that he's scum. The dynamics between him and Moridin was odd at best. Moridin did overly defend SH for not apparent reason but when the votes shifted towards Moridin's direction then SH was trying to defend him as well. Couple that with my feeling that SH was being instructed on how to repair his error when he mis-posted (heh, made up a word!)... and you got yourself another scum in the bag.

 

This post made me crack-up - brownie-hound much? Check out Graen's posts below...they are 1 minute apart. I don't know that I've ever seen a "sudden realization" happen that fast - she took less than a minute to realize that Poet was never actually an admin? Really? Was she best friends with Poet? Did she know for sure that Poet was never promoted to admin? Or better yet, since Red didn't define why the characters would be who they are, was there any real reason to make her (Graen) posts at all other than to try and support Moridin, but distance herself as well just in case? And here Cyndane comes, bringing up the point again. LMFAO

 

Check it out kids, then go back and re-read page 8 for a huge laugh.

 

I can believe that.

Although... Poet isn't admin. Just regular DM staff user group

 

I got a boat-load of these to post come daylight, and with no real reason to expect to be killed, I can't wait to share them.

 

Graen, I see you like to bully players. I wonder how well you flail?

 

heh

[Asmodean-Mafia]

Actually, all I did was bring up different possibilities, I never actually said that I thought Moridin was town, I just said that I didn't think everyone was considering other possibilities. And if you are going on the theory of Graendal being town because she noticed Moridin's slip, then I think you are missing the point where I was the main person going for a CC. Pretty sure scum wouldn't want a mafia outed after he could have gotten through.

 

On the contrary, post #165 says different.

 

Sloppy.

[Asmodean-Mafia]

Here mafia, mafia, mafia...come out to play...*whistles*