creating living things in TAR

[Terez]

Egwene didn't create a new Bela but brought the existing Bela into TAR.

I think that this is what happened (sort of), and it wasn't a bad thing because Bela is an animal. If she wasn't domesticated, then she would have a reflection in Tel'aran'rhiod like all other non-domesticated animals (including wolves), so it doesn't seem much of a leap to assume that Bela can have a reflection in Tel'aran'rhiod with a bit of encouragement from someone like Egwene.

 

Of course, it's possible she just made a copy, but I like the idea of it really being Bela.

 

I posted before I made it to the second page, so edited to add quotes:

 

She stood outside the wagon, in the night. The moon was high, and drifting clouds cast shadows over the camp. Crickets chirruped, and the night-birds called. The lions' eyes shone as they watched her from their cages. The white-faced bears were dark sleeping mounds behind the iron bars. The long picket line stood empty of horses, Clarine's dogs were not on their leashes beneath her and Petra's wagon, and the space where the s'redit stood in the waking world was bare. She had come to understand that only wild creatures had reflections here, but whatever the Seanchan woman claimed, it was hard to think that those huge gray animals had been domesticated so long that they were no longer wild.

 

The village here reflected the real Salidar, but in strange facsimile, more still than even night would make it. Every window was dark, and an air of emptiness hung heavily, as if no one occupied any of the buildings. Of course, no one did, here. A nightbird’s reedy cry was answered by another, then a third, and something made a faint rustling noise as it skittered away in the odd half-light, but the stables would be empty, and the picket lines outside the village, and the clearings where sheep and cattle had been gathered. Wild creatures there would be in plenty, but none domesticated. Details changed between one glance and the next; the thatch-roofed buildings remained the same, yet a water barrel would be in a slightly different place, or gone, a door that had stood open was closed. The more ephemeral a thing was in the real world, the more its position or condition might change, the less firm its reflection.

[herid]

Egwene didn't create a new Bela but brought the existing Bela into TAR.

I think that this is what happened (sort of), and it wasn't a bad thing because Bela is an animal. If she wasn't domesticated, then she would have a reflection in Tel'aran'rhiod like all other non-domesticated animals (including wolves), so it doesn't seem much of a leap to assume that Bela can have a reflection in Tel'aran'rhiod with a bit of encouragement from someone like Egwene.

 

Of course, it's possible she just made a copy, but I like the idea of it really being Bela.

 

I posted before I made it to the second page, so edited to add quotes:

 

She stood outside the wagon, in the night. The moon was high, and drifting clouds cast shadows over the camp. Crickets chirruped, and the night-birds called. The lions' eyes shone as they watched her from their cages. The white-faced bears were dark sleeping mounds behind the iron bars. The long picket line stood empty of horses, Clarine's dogs were not on their leashes beneath her and Petra's wagon, and the space where the s'redit stood in the waking world was bare. She had come to understand that only wild creatures had reflections here, but whatever the Seanchan woman claimed, it was hard to think that those huge gray animals had been domesticated so long that they were no longer wild.

 

The village here reflected the real Salidar, but in strange facsimile, more still than even night would make it. Every window was dark, and an air of emptiness hung heavily, as if no one occupied any of the buildings. Of course, no one did, here. A nightbird’s reedy cry was answered by another, then a third, and something made a faint rustling noise as it skittered away in the odd half-light, but the stables would be empty, and the picket lines outside the village, and the clearings where sheep and cattle had been gathered. Wild creatures there would be in plenty, but none domesticated. Details changed between one glance and the next; the thatch-roofed buildings remained the same, yet a water barrel would be in a slightly different place, or gone, a door that had stood open was closed. The more ephemeral a thing was in the real world, the more its position or condition might change, the less firm its reflection.

 

thanks for the quotes. I must say that I find the whole idea of only wild animals having TAR reflections to be very badly thought out. It doesn't make logical sense. A horse is a horse whether wild or domesticated. Its brain works the same way in either case. But of course RJ is the boss so his word is the law in his universe.

[Terez]

I think it has something to do with the whole 'do dogs go to heaven?' concept in some way. Like, the domesticated animals go to the regular afterlife so they can be with their owners. It's not incredibly badly-thought-out, I think. I get the impression that even domesticated animals still have that connection to Tel'aran'rhiod but they are more in the real world than non-domesticated animals.

[Ananta]

I always saw it like this:

 

Egwene making Bela -> Egwene trying to create an image of Bela -> Success

 

Perrin making Hopper -> Perrin trying to re-create the actual Hopper -> Failure

[herid]

I always saw it like this:

 

Egwene making Bela -> Egwene trying to create an image of Bela -> Success

 

Perrin making Hopper -> Perrin trying to re-create the actual Hopper -> Failure

succinctly put. yes, that's what I came to believe too.