[Themed] AVATAR Mafia Game Thread - GAME ON

[Balthamel-Mafia]

Thank you for the clarification on Asmodeans final vote count, Great Dark Lord of Mafia.

 

Osangar, I find you scummy for other reasons than those you have been posting. Some is a gut feeling, while the rest of my suspicion comes from things you have said & hinted at; I am keeping a watch on you, but as of yet there is nothing concrete i can point to.

 

As to your last post, I feel most inclined to respond to your musings as to why the mafia might have chosen Asmodean

 

 

1. confusion strategy - I tend to agree with Mordeth on this, that keeping him alive would have served them better use, but it also leaves us with next to nothing to work with.

 

2. assassin or vigilante - If this was the case, wouldn't there have been two deaths last night?

 

3. the mafia had a clue about the type of role they were hitting - I must have missed this, but I can't recall seeing Asmodean hint at a role. I have yet to get to my re-read of this game thread, something I intend to do tomorrow since I will have a few hours of spare time.

 

4. Someone got fed up with him posting on the wrong account... - Interesting thought, and slightly amusing to be sure; in a snide sort of way if this is the case. I was actually under the impression that it was Mesaana who forgot to use her alter. *chuckles*

 

 

Secondly, is the part concerning the lurkers. Not that I condone lurking or am defending those that use it otherwise or as a playing style; a good portion of the time those that don't post often turn out to be town aligned. They certainly don't help us any by not contributing, but I think searching for scum within the barely active rosters will not be to our benefit at this point. To each their own, of course; and I fully encourage those who aren't posting semi-regularly to start doing so for fear of what it will cost us.

[Taim-Mafia]

 

2. assassin or vigilante - If this was the case, wouldn't there have been two deaths last night?

 

About point 2. Why does there have to be 2 deaths? consider a vig role targets a player and mafia target a player but one of those is protected by a healer - hey presto - only one death.

Now let me remind everyone that we dont know that there is a healer or even a vig role in this setup so this is pure conjecture at the moment.

 

now onward to sorting out the firenation...

 

I am tempted to go for Graendel for non posting/no vote as this can be harmful.

 

VOTE GRAENDEL

 

Unless I hear a good reason from you before deadline to make me change the vote

[Kivam]

As I've gotten emails about problems logging in and DM being down, I'm extending the deadline to 8pm Monday.

 

I will also say this, to our lurkers especially. I put a lot of work into this game, but if the players aren't interested in playing it, I have no interest in putting in more work modding it.

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

Kiv. those of us playing are having fun, please have faith.

[Guest Rahvin-Mafia]

VOTE: MORDETH

 

For dropping scumtells left and right. He is either scum or noob. Or both. Also, FoS Taim.

[Taim-Mafia]

Why the FoS on me Rahvin?

[Guest Rahvin-Mafia]

Because you are trying too hard to look town. Your reaction to amegakure's death is a perfect example. Oh noes an innocent died, i better look sad/angry so i look like a townie. Oh and while i'm at it i'll say i'm going to do a reread cuz that's a townie thing to do right? That entire post was complete fluff that had no purpose other than to make you look innocent. Just like a good half of your posts. The only reason i'm not voting you is that mordeth is only slighty less scummy, yet a much more popular candidate for lynch. Once we lynch your buddy mordeth, i will be coming for you, worm.

[Taim-Mafia]

Oh yes call me a worm. Im not OMGUSing on that because theres zero point in it. Moving on

 

Being a town player its definately a good ploy to post like a town player. You say im looking like town so I know im doing this right since I am town. My playstyle is usually simple. Read what people post, post if I can help, post my vote and read again - repeat as necessary.

What you find scummy in me doing this above everyone else that does the same, I dont know.

[Kivam]

Vote Count

 

Cyndane (1) - Osangar

Graendal (2) - Belal, Taim

Mordeth (3) - Sammael, Shaidar Haran, Rahvin

 

Ten to lynch

[Guest Rahvin-Mafia]

Oh yes call me a worm. Im not OMGUSing on that because theres zero point in it. Moving on

 

How magnanimous of you.

 

 

Being a town player its definately a good ploy to post like a town player. You say im looking like town so I know im doing this right since I am town. My playstyle is usually simple. Read what people post, post if I can help, post my vote and read again - repeat as necessary.

What you find scummy in me doing this above everyone else that does the same, I dont know.

 

Interesting use of the word ploy. And by interesting I mean scummy.

 

If your main impetus to post is to help or vote, then why are you making fluff posts?

 

Maybe it's because you don't want to help. Maybe you just want to appear to be helping.

 

Scum.

[Guest Sammael-Mafia]

Being a town player its definately a good ploy to post like a town player. .

 

Actually, this varies depending on how you play, your role/power, and wanting to keep yourself alive, especially if you are important to the town.

[Ishamael-Mafia]

Yup. I'm scummy... total mafia right here....

 

Really? Just because I'm less active then some of you are, and I don't have a zillion hours a day to devote to mafia, but still like to play the game.

 

I was wondering, you don't mind, me asking, Cyndane?

 

 

Taim, it read as though you were skimming posts, sounds scummish to me, unless I'm mistaken.

 

As to point two for Asmo's death, it's also possible that the mafia or vigilante did not make a night kill? While we're throwing suggestions out that way.

 

Necessarily so, we have some time with the extended deadline to figure out who is mafia. To all of us, the other is mafia, as we do not know who among us is with us, or against us.

 

I'll hold my vote for now, as some analysis is certainly needed. But at least Ive gotten what I wished to say out there for the moment...

[Aginor-Mafia]

Hey guys, sorry for not being around as much as I'd like to be. I've been babysitting a lot and my brother came up from Vegas (I only get to see him a little so he takes priority). I am so happy for the extended deadline!

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

I dont really know why. I have been trying to put my finger on it but so far its too vague. For reason I just get a bad feeling about Cyndane. Theres something about you thats not sitting well with me atm.

Ill try and figure out what it is but for the moment im going with my gut

 

VOTE CYNDANE

[Rita Skeeter]

So, Sammael you think it is scummy of me to make fun of the mafia. Yes, they could have had a reason, but honestly he was our best vote for a lynch today. Are you trying to set me up because you are offended at what I said about the mafia because you are in fact mafia? Then there is Rahvin who says I am dropping scum tells right and left yet doesn't really mention what they are. Oh, I am an experienced player. I often poke fun at the mafia when they do something I think is dumb. I can't see where they would think he was the Avatar. I mean seriously he is a noob and couldn't even follow the simple rules laid out by the mod. Oh, he deserved to die, but I would have let the town do it.

I am sorry we lost two townies, but until they died I honestly thought they were both scum. Lynch me too and you will clearly find out I am town, but wait that is exactly what the mafia wants.

Because of the votes on me I want you all to play very close attention to those that just jump the bandwagon without really saying much. You will find your mafia team there. Sammael for setting it up and Rahvin for not being specific. Not sure about Shaidar Haran's vote.

I was having issues accessing DM that is why I have not been posting a lot, but oh my you will read scum in that I am sure. I mean I could say the sky is blue and you will read a scum tell in it if you are mafia. Get real people.

 

Vote Sammael

 

not an OMGUS, but rather I think you are really trying to make a case to lynch someone you know is innocent because you are mafia.

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

Still here, away for the weekend, again yay iPhone!

 

Lots of bickering and no clear scum hmmmmm

[Guest Rahvin-Mafia]

you just dropped two more scumtells, mordeth.

[Osangar-Mafia]

Let's see. I made notes. To start:

 

Cyndane was stalling. Basically, she's working to solidify yesterday's vague suspicion. How stalling? Refusal to help near a deadline when most people weren't being active. The post fell BEFORE the extension.

 

I see we've started a new bandwagon. Way to go with the whole mob mentality. Guess that's why I've never fit in.

 

Rahvin looked worse to me until that last Mordeth post. The reason this has changed is due to the way he just treated Asmo's death. He deserved to die for forgetting a rule? How perfect are you? I rather think you should go take a breather and come back when you feel you can stop yourself from being an arse. Saying that after I made the statement about someone having the poor taste to do that... Well, you can follow my logic. Confession??

 

That said, I definately don't see the thing with Taim. The objection to the word ploy made no sense- but I am guessing this is due to another improper reading of a sentence. I read it as sarcastic derision, purposely placed than the slip Rahvin seemed to suggest.

 

On to Balthamel. 1. No clear feelings? Why so wishy washy if you are out to state them?

 

2. Not necessarily. That stance assumes we know what was happening in the night. We don't, but we can speculate- which is what I was doing. I think speculation, questioning, is more helpful than unwavering assumption of knowledge.

 

3. I don't think he hinted at a specific role in the way I think you mean. I seem to recall a strong suggestion of innocence from him in an out of character post. I am not sure I explained that right... But it was the frustration in it when I skimmed.

 

4. As far as it being someone other than Asmo, I'll repeat that it was a skim, but I am pretty sure it was him. And no, my thought was not nice, but I haven't ever expected this game to be that. Do you take the opportunity that presents for a personal and group benefit in this game? If you say you never have, I declare you a liar.

 

About the lurkers- ran out of characters, brb.

[Osangar-Mafia]

About lurkers/non participating hangers on: I assume you will pleased to note that I called them about with sound reasoning and followed that up with merely a threat of a future vote. Following through the action logic chain, we can see this was meant to spark participation from those lower posters. I am pleased and frustrated tobannounce it worked, albeit to a smaller degree than I hoped.

 

Kivy, I wonder if perhaps some of these posters are used to having notifications on threads and forgot (or were too lazy) to check without them? Nevertheless, give us a little more time since the boards aren't going down quite as often (for me at least). *grins wickedly* Or just send email notice to all you can of an impending slaughter of all nonparticipaters with scarily inflated numbers of the effect on their team.

[Guest Sammael-Mafia]

So, Sammael you think it is scummy of me to make fun of the mafia.

 

Yessir. To make fun of them or call them newbies is either foolish, or you are one of them. I think the latter.

 

Yes, they could have had a reason, but honestly he was our best vote for a lynch today.

 

Or the kill was intended for someone else, or it wasn't the mafia, or they thought he was the avatar. Or, Asmo was a vig kill and the healer got the intended mafia target. In a game like this, anything is possible. It could also could be part of a bigger picture by the mafia to get us all arguing. Obviously the mafia had a plan with what they did. Whether Asmodean was intended, or not, something was done with a purpose.

 

Are you trying to set me up because you are offended at what I said about the mafia because you are in fact mafia?

 

Clearly <sarcasm>. Again, the mafia has a plan and you poking fun of them reeks of scum.

 

Then there is Rahvin who says I am dropping scum tells right and left yet doesn't really mention what they are. Oh, I am an experienced player. I often poke fun at the mafia when they do something I think is dumb. I can't see where they would think he was the Avatar. I mean seriously he is a noob and couldn't even follow the simple rules laid out by the mod. Oh, he deserved to die, but I would have let the town do it.

I am sorry we lost two townies, but until they died I honestly thought they were both scum. Lynch me too and you will clearly find out I am town, but wait that is exactly what the mafia wants.

 

I'll get to Rahvin in a bit. Don't really give a hoot if you are experienced or not, but calling people noobs is a bit harsh. Yes, he probably would have gotten lynched today, but again it does not mean he was the intended target. If he was, there was a reason. To throw people off. Like you are trying to do right now. I thought they were both scum as well, but your posts are far to "over the top" claiming town and poking fun of the mafia to be real. When you get lynched, we will know the answer.

 

 

Vote Sammael

 

not an OMGUS, but rather I think you are really trying to make a case to lynch someone you know is innocent because you are mafia.

 

Actually it is an OMGUS. And your statement about my "trying to make a case to lynch someone you know is innocent because you are mafia" is another "over the top" post clearly intended to make you seem pro-town.

 

Now Rahvin:

 

VOTE: MORDETH

 

For dropping scumtells left and right. He is either scum or noob. Or both. Also, FoS Taim.

 

 

you just dropped two more scumtells, mordeth.

 

Rahvin, please elaborate.

[Kivam]

Vote Count

 

Cyndane (2) - Osangar, Mesaana

Graendal (2) - Belal, Taim

Mordeth (3) - Sammael, Shaidar Haran, Rahvin

Sammael (1) - Mordeth

Ten to lynch

[Guest Halima-Mafia]

um, I've been reading TOM. Should be finished tonight, but have an exam on Tuesday to prepare for. So I guess this is a belatedly announced LOA of sorts. But then again, Monday deadline... uh. Dammit. That's actually really close and irritates me. I can understand why Kivam's wanting to push things along, though.

 

I wanted to reply to Osangar's earlier point in the game about not hunting for mafia on day one: the conflict that strikes me is this. You use your non-mafia hunting to vote, but a vote is the tool that the town uses to hunt mafia. Thus, you're voting while managing to use reasons that don't help the town. Now it strikes me that you're still voting for Cyndane (unless my memory fails me) but now you do seem to find her mafia? Can you elaborate more precisely on what changed - is it only the change in day number? And since I'm a lazy bugger who's reading ToM, can you tell me what it was about the quote overnight that bugged you?

 

Mesaana and her bad feeling gives me a bad feeling.

 

Honestly I think the mafia made a mistake killing Asmodean. I mean he was up next in my book for a day two lynch. With them killing him off now we are left to wonder what they are up to. Maybe we have newbies in the mafia and they have no clue. Atleast when I am mafia I know I wouldn't kill off a suspicious character. I would let the town have at them.

 

There was either a plan by the mafia to get Asmodean, or the shot was intended for someone else and directed at him. I'm taking my chances on the mafia planning to kill Asmo.

 

Mordeth, by stating that the mafia are possibly newbies or have no clue makes you look suspicious to me. The mafia knew what they were doing, and are planning something around this kill. Heck, maybe they thought Asmodean was the Avatar. For some reason it looks like you trying to swerve us into thinking you aren't mafia.

 

VOTE: MORDETH

 

These quotes are interesting to me. Mordeth's quote is bad but Sammael's attack is worse. I don't see the reasoning behind the comment, "it looks like you trying to swerve us into thinking you aren't mafia." Perhaps Sammael thinks that Mordeth was trying to swerve us into thinking he is mafia? Naaaaah.

 

Still, Mordeth is trying to make us think the mafia are a bunch of newbs... trying to deflect attention from more established players? But how do you decide who's a newb and who isn't thanks to the alts? Some people might be obvious pros but others might be disguising their playstyles, etc. Mordeth's comment doesn't help the town that much, and as such could be seen as scummy. In that case, I don't quite know what I think of Sammael.

 

I'll think about it overnight and come back tomorrow with a vote. Should have finished ToM by tomorrow. I'll tell you all about it.

[Osangar-Mafia]

Halima, your post was full of crap. Now, one might blame that on being rushed and not paying attention. I won't say what I think beyond what I've said. You encourage my suspicions.

 

I have explained my position and if you'd bothered to read it, you would find your answers. How do I know you didn't bother?

 

1. I didn't say anything about not scum hunting day one. I said I wouldn't call someone mafia just because I felt they were suspicious on day one. Please note the difference in action.

 

2. I have explained my reasons for my vote, and, frankly, your defense of her that nearly quotes her own... *grins* Hope you enjoyed skimming someone else's notes.

 

"Lazy buggers" don't get any slack from me. You signed up to play, so play. Reading isn't an excuse either. I've read The Way of Kings since Wednesday, managed my normal responsibilities, and still managed to participate here.

[Belal-Mafia]

"Lazy buggers" don't get any slack from me. You signed up to play, so play. Reading isn't an excuse either. I've read The Way of Kings since Wednesday, managed my normal responsibilities, and still managed to participate here.

 

Oh my god Osangar, you are basically a god! Since Wednesday you read The Way of Kings, did your normal responsibilities, and participated here? Forsaken, I think we should all strive to be like Osangar, obviously he is superior to most of us and can guess that other peoples real life issues really aren't that important. When I grow up I want to be just like you Osangar!

[Kivam]

All - At least one player is on LoA because of computer problems. I won't mention who it is, since he had to pass the info to me through another player and I don't want to give away his alt.