[Themed] AVATAR Mafia Game Thread - GAME ON

[Demandred-Mafia]

apparently its too difficult to swap accounts before posting for some, but i dont't think that would have been the hammer anyways

 

VOTE HALIMA

 

is it still mindless voting/bandwagoning if you know they're mafia? lol

[Kivam]

Vote Count

 

Halima (8) - Belal, Dashiva, Balthamel, Shaidar Haran, Mesaana, Osangar, Moridin, Demandred

 

9 to lynch

[Osangar-Mafia]

Whoops! I can't count today. I think I counted Kivy's.

 

And yes, mindless. There's no other choice, no discussion. You just do it. Of course, I dare you not to. :D

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

I actually challenge voting so quickly.

 

Before you all get carried away, let me explain.

 

Since we got a Mafia, which we will lynch, shouldn't we wait? What's the rush? I'd like a day of healthy discussion where we don't really have to worry about who's going to get lynched. Hey, we might even find another scum.

 

Look at it this way: we KNOW she's mafia. Lynches are generally used for FINDING out someones alignment. Not suggesting we DON'T lynch her. Just to take it easy for a bit, try and gather as much info as we can on the other players.

 

Just my thoughts right now. Reserving my vote for Halima on reaction. If you all go crazy about me not voting her, I might concede. But I'm being genuine in my thoughts here, and would like to hear yours.

 

I love being the black sheep.

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

17) Rahvin-Mafia - Schizo Survivor, Killed Night 3

 

Going by this, my best guess is that Rahvin could win with the Town, or with the Fire Nation. As long as he survived.

[Taim-Mafia]

Pretty clear whats going to happen.

 

VOTE HALIMA

[Kivam]

It's always sad when the cute one dies . . .

 

 

Ty Lee, the chi-blocking circus freak, has been lynched

 

 

 

 

 

Final Vote Count

 

Halima (9) - Belal, Dashiva, Balthamel, Shaidar Haran, Mesaana, Osangar, Moridin, Demandred, Taim

 

 

PLEASE GET YOUR NIGHT ACTIONS IN BY 8pm Eastern on Monday. Clock is stopped for the weekend, + I've gotten an LoA or two. But since the clock *is* running that long, please remember to send in any "NO ACTIONS" as well

[Kivam]

And, since she's one of my favorite characters in the show (seriously, perfect blend of cute, funny, and character development), you get a bonus video:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwUg7gOktOk&feature=related

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

Well, so much for that.

[Osangar-Mafia]

I actually challenge voting so quickly.

 

Before you all get carried away, let me explain.

 

Since we got a Mafia, which we will lynch, shouldn't we wait? What's the rush? I'd like a day of healthy discussion where we don't really have to worry about who's going to get lynched. Hey, we might even find another scum.

Could we not accomplish the same by actually participating during the night phase and during the day tomorrow? You know, you could have started by discussing things when you posted this...

 

 

17) Rahvin-Mafia - Schizo Survivor, Killed Night 3

 

Going by this, my best guess is that Rahvin could win with the Town, or with the Fire Nation. As long as he survived.

Yeah, good reason I suggested something similar to a Jester. It's kind of a solo win ability. Plus the seeming sympathetic actions.

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

Ha. Funny one, you are. Discussions during Night. Good one.

 

Only a Jester wins when they die, and Survivor seems like surviving would be key. Playing both sides will get you killed.

[Guest Semirhage-Mafia]

Haha, thanks Cyndane, I was expecting a mafia member to try to jump in and slow down/stop the lynch. I see no reason why we would ever need to not lynch scum. It's like if a finder came out and said "hey, so-and-so is scum!" and we believed that person to be the finder, but decided "well, we know who one mafia member is, but let's leave them alive so we can try to lynch a different one." If you haven't been watching, our other lynches haven't been successful so far. I'm all for keeping the numbers as even, or as in the towns favor, as possible. If I had been able to come home after work last night, I would have been right behind the majority on that Halima vote, because any information we would be getting out of her is going to come from previous posts.

 

Although, I'm not gonna lie, I've seen the defense of a revealed player actually work and save her, she fought like a champ and actually won soon after. Glad we didn't take any chances there.

 

I do however agree with Osangar (unfortunately) that you could have started your argument off better by being the first one to discuss it.

[Guest Semirhage-Mafia]

Also, while I agree that he said there were only a couple of unlucky players, his words about a "full reveal" make me think otherwise...

 

Borrowing another attorney's computer, so I need to make this quick:

 

1) Night Kill:

 

 

Rahvin (Zuko) the Schizo Survivor is dead

 

 

2) Penalties.

 

The roulette penalty for yesterday was a full reveal. Townies' role and player behind the alt will be revealed on the scum QT . Scum will be revealed here.

 

HALIMA IS MAFIA.

 

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

The bolded part is what I am talking about. Particularly the word "Townies' " which is plural. It insinuates that there was a roll that makes a full reveal of ALL the non-voting players. Townie info to mafia, and mafia info to town. However, we have no way to verify this without a mafia member coming forward and telling us how much info they got.

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

Yeah, because I can just rush home from work any time to post on here. *nod*

 

Your lable of me being mafia for wanting to have a deadline-less day full of discussion, is sad. Not discussion on Halima. She was dead. no doubt. No question. I never said otherwise.

 

But I won't weep over it. Just an extra couple RL days of mafia hunting down the drain. I'm sure the mafia are just as happy with the results as you are.

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

I wonder why they'd need the player behind the alt info.

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

And if you guys think I've been acting scummish now, you ain't seen nothing yet.

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

In my opinion, I think our best bet will be to either vote Osangar or Cyndane tomorrow. One's alignment will either implicate or clear the other seeing as they've been going back & forth for around 2 game days. Given the evidence presented and the player’s actions, I'd prefer a vote on Cyndane more so. Osangar seems to be our undesignated leader, which is why I feel its imperative for us to sort out his alignment ASAP; I'd hate for him to be scum and leading us all along, which I've seen plenty of scum do and have done so myself a few times.

 

Interesting phrasing.

 

Undesignated leader?

 

Says who?

 

You?

 

Why?

 

Osangar is only a leader if people follow him. I don't.

 

I don't like the line of thinking you're going down, Balthamel. Too many suppositions. We could be trying Kivam's Gambit, for all you know.

 

The only thing I'll agree with you on is that I'm acting slightly more scummish than Osangar.

 

But hey, got past day 4, so that's a kind of victory?

[Balthamel-Mafia]

Cyndane, don't follow your logic on stalling the vote on Halima. She is an ousted scum, mod confirmed. Honestly, I would see the scum as voting her the quickest to not stand out. In all honestly, I see this as something an innocent would be more likely to suggest; but i can also see a scum using this to try and appear to be town. It doesn't make you ore so or less scummy in my book, but the reactions your suggestion got helped a bit.

 

Semirhage, I find your response to Cyndanes musings to be very interesting; scum would use what she suggested as a way to throw more suspicion on a person and get them lynched. This is very much so worth noting.

 

 

It appears my logic might be flawed on who we can discount as being town, so Aginor will remain on my suspects list; as well Semirhage. I hope that what you guys suggest is true about the scum only receiving 1 name out of all those non-voters; but I still maintain that the scum is more likely to be an active than an inactive.

 

As for Osangar being the unofficial leader, that is my belief due to how people regard him, the lynch on you, Cyndane, and that no one seems to find him scummy excluding myself. Just because I feel he's the unofficial leader doesn't mean I will follow him nor agree with what he says; I just felt the need to note this observation and what a danger it could bring if he is in fact playing the "helpful scum role"

[Osangar-Mafia]

Cyndane, please note the word similar in my speculation of Rahvin. The Jester has special win conditions based on how he plays the group. The survivor schitzo appears to have had something shady up his given his actions in thread and his half red, half blue name. Similar to does not equal same as.

 

Semirhage, that is why I linked the other post. Only two players rolled negative actions. Go check. The proof you claim to be unverifiable was in Kivam's words. Stop being distracting.

 

Cyndane, player behind alt means meta for tells for roles. May also verify loa data vs in danger of mk.

 

Sagey, honey, telling people we are in a Kivam Gambit is rather petty. Not to mention it's probably motivated by my nearly lynching you. Not that I deserved all the credit given the time and pressure...Moving on. There seemed to be quite a bit of a movement contemplating a lynch on me, so why don't you try that for real instead? It's less petty and involves actual play.

 

Something else for Cyndane. Would you like to start discussing the hard to discuss items on the agenda? You know I am not a shy little weaking who is scared to stop hiding behind mama. I'd rather say it and be done. I've got nothing to hide, and a knife in the back only proves it.

 

Balthamel, relax. I can't be scum. I agreed with Rahvin that I rock when given a choice of rocking or not rocking.

 

On a more serious note, if you disagree with anything other than the discussion of the treatment of the avatar, let's talk. If it's just that, I ask you (and those who find themselves agreeing) to reassess. No whitecloak behavior, please.

[Ishamael-Mafia]

I admit, I am not dm'er, and am guilty of not checking this board as often as I should knowing I am in a mafia game. I am slapping myself to be more active on here.

 

So here's sort of a check-in post while I compile real thoughts.

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

Cyndane, don't follow your logic on stalling the vote on Halima. She is an ousted scum, mod confirmed. Honestly, I would see the scum as voting her the quickest to not stand out. In all honestly, I see this as something an innocent would be more likely to suggest; but i can also see a scum using this to try and appear to be town. It doesn't make you ore so or less scummy in my book, but the reactions your suggestion got helped a bit.

 

For the umpteenth time: I DID NOT INTEND TO STOP HALIMA FROM BEING LYNCHED

 

I wanted to discuss like we are now yesterDay instead of this Night. Would have given us more time, more info, ect. Is it so hard to understand?

 

But, ruffling a few feathers is always its own reward.

 

As for Osangar being the unofficial leader, that is my belief due to how people regard him, the lynch on you, Cyndane, and that no one seems to find him scummy excluding myself. Just because I feel he's the unofficial leader doesn't mean I will follow him nor agree with what he says; I just felt the need to note this observation and what a danger it could bring if he is in fact playing the "helpful scum role"

 

Thanks for the clarification. It could have been seen as a scum setting up their fellow scum as the leader to lead the town to its death. Or as a scum setting up an innocent to take the fall.

 

Cyndane, please note the word similar in my speculation of Rahvin. The Jester has special win conditions based on how he plays the group. The survivor schitzo appears to have had something shady up his given his actions in thread and his half red, half blue name. Similar to does not equal same as.

 

Yes, but I felt it prudent to separate the two. As you say, “similar” does not equate “same as”.

 

Cyndane, player behind alt means meta for tells for roles. May also verify loa data vs in danger of mk.

 

I could see them wanting to know who’s in danger of Modkill, so as not to kill them off, but still. Seems odd thing for the mafia to need to know.

 

Sagey, honey, telling people we are in a Kivam Gambit is rather petty. Not to mention it's probably motivated by my nearly lynching you. Not that I deserved all the credit given the time and pressure...Moving on. There seemed to be quite a bit of a movement contemplating a lynch on me, so why don't you try that for real instead? It's less petty and involves actual play.

 

Shh, it’s Cyndane. Cyndane!

 

As for the Kivam Gambit, I did not say we were in one, I merely used it as an example for why we shouldn’t judge one person innocent simply because the other turned guilty, or vice verse. No way was it motivated by my near-lynch. But on that note: see what happens when we don’t lynch me? We get a scum and a semi-scum. Hooha! ;)

 

Oh, you’re on my list, Osangar. But there are plenty above you atm. Might change come Day though.

 

Something else for Cyndane. Would you like to start discussing the hard to discuss items on the agenda? You know I am not a shy little weaking who is scared to stop hiding behind mama. I'd rather say it and be done. I've got nothing to hide, and a knife in the back only proves it.

 

I only see one hard to discuss items: the Avatar. Sure, I didn’t want to get into the circular discussion of Asmodeans death, but that was more out of lack of any real info than avoiding a subject.

 

Balthamel, relax. I can't be scum. I agreed with Rahvin that I rock when given a choice of rocking or not rocking.

 

The word of a solo-winning mafia-townie. Probably not the best choice.

 

On a more serious note, if you disagree with anything other than the discussion of the treatment of the avatar, let's talk. If it's just that, I ask you (and those who find themselves agreeing) to reassess. No whitecloak behavior, please.

 

You said the A-word! Burn the witch!

[Osangar-Mafia]

Cyndane! How dare you accuse me of saying Aes Sedai! Also, lol at what happens when we don't lynch you. I mean, clearly those results are controversial given the days 1 & 2 results.

 

Yes, they'd want to know who was in danger of modkill, but imagine having the power of picking apart posts from players with known tells. You'd see the roled player that much easier.

 

You only see hard to discuss items? What about the analysis of players? I mean, come on. There's a mile long list of suspects. Whatever happened to following leads? Semi and Moridin had some intriguing posts. What do you think about them- without using defensiveness as a reason?

 

Cyndane, I'm still on your list? I pegged Halima days ago before she was under any fire. ;) You know I don't throw my team under the bus, so let's talk about why.

 

And for the record, I don't buy the whole Halima excuse thing. Previously, I cited her defense of you in nearly exacting language. That may be cleverness, but I wonder. I wonder more when I see my list of your infractions, the latest of which is the suggestion of a Kivam Gambit. It was written as a joke while not really coming off as one. It's one of those things. I very much don't trust you.

 

And lastly, you wanted to stall day when we've spent how long on only 3? Ouch. At this rate, we'll still be playing at Christmas!

[Osangar-Mafia]

Ishy, you gonna bother to come back?? We'd like to see that thought post. It's been nearly 24 hrs...

[Ishamael-Mafia]

Never fear my dears, Ishy is coming back. Ishy wishes work would stop calling Ishy though. Ishy likes having days off sometimes.

[Ishamael-Mafia]

We really haven't been collectively active have we? Just a few of us at a time... Mostly just the two of you Cyndane and Osangar. Congratulations on that, here, have a gold star for being actively awesome.

 

Note; This may look weird without qoutes, bear with me.

 

Alright, after your wall of disinfectant Osanger, (yes, I am calling it that, and yes, Ive read it a few times now), I am not entirely sure whether or not you're town. The mafia I have seen don't often take the time to post their thoughts on every single player during a game on the open board, except Lily, but she's not playing.

 

 

Belal talked about committing to a game and posting something, but then doesn't really post a lot after that, except to say how unconstructive Osangar's comment on lazy buggers not getting any slack.

 

Semirhage

 

Demandred - I think I know who this is, which makes me think mafia,

 

Cyndane, I feel you are more of a mastermind than an idiot. Also a tad bit sarcastic in your nondefensive *wink* responses to Osangar and Belal.

 

Balthamel pops in, he's sort of a meh to me, I don't have a feeling towards him either way.

 

So that's sort of what I have for now. My computer has a virus that moves the typing thing around the text-box. So if I'm typing down here, it will randomly start me typing up by Semirhage's name... and, well, I am a bit tired, so.. yeah. I am working on being more active. I actually turned my computer on today...

 

I do feel though, that this game is a little advanced for my mediocre skills. My mind feels a little violated.

 

 

What, if I may ask, does PAFO mean?