[Themed] AVATAR Mafia Game Thread - GAME ON

[Osangar-Mafia]

Second to last- Rahvin: Most suspect for overreactions and inflations. There's a name for this in philosophy, but I don't remember. Anyway, I'm not sure his scumdar works.

 

He first came to my attention when he misinterpretted a post and got pissy about me putting words in his mouth. He never really answered my rebuttal because he totally missed the point. Never explained how I put words in his mouth.

 

Instead of voting Lanfear, he voted the only other viable party- Asmodean.

 

He was, however, early on the Mordeth vote with inflated claims of scumdar pinging. Everything I registered was a null tell, thus the trumped up charges. He goes on to FOS Taim with a claim of trying too hard. Again, a null tell. He worked on inflated claims for a while before he bothered to vote.

 

Now, he's claiming a mod indication of a vote that does not count. MOD KIVY ALMIGHTY, WE WANT ON THREAD CONFIRMATION PLEASE!

 

He has lately agreed with Belal about scum seeming Ishamael and Moridin.

 

Cyndane is last because she may well be the longest. She's been very participatory though.

[Osangar-Mafia]

You guys! You ruined my whole page to myself attempt! :(

[Osangar-Mafia]

Finally, Cyndane: She comes in, votes, unvotes, but really, I don't remember why. It was just the unvote post that caught my eye. It made me think of Supertroopers. She asked to leave the avatar bread unbuttered. She goes on to say it's helpful to the mafia if we discuss keeping the avatar hidden. I implore again: hoe does keeping the avatar hidden equal "go mafia!" ??? I counter that if we don't do anything as a team, we will die.

 

She harps on the Lanfear reveal and even tries to confuse the healer more than once by saying "if" Lanfear's reveal were true, the healer might have to think about leaving the avatar alone. It's a load and a suspicious one at that.

 

She calls my comments futile, distracting, and baiting. I'll refute here. The town could see immediately after my post how to avoid the predicament, so not futile. In retrospect, if I distracted from Lanfear, good. Hindsight. :D And bait was a fun one. I picked up some suspicions from it, so it worked for me.

 

Goes on to claim all townies should have thought ahead to how they'd interact with the avatar. She should know what a crock that statement was since often enough innicents don't plan very far ahead.

 

I responded to the stuff two paragraphs ago; she ignored it all to rebut that there was one role worth the game. Later claims she was meaning the avatar and we were on different pages. I respond this is confusing since I had clearly indicated the avatar. No rebuttal.

 

She moves on to essentially say Quick! Drop the topic! Assume because it had gotten unpopular with active posters. Hey, Cyndane. Avatar Aang. Avatar Aang. Avatar Aang. Whoops! Had to do it again. Damn.

 

She votes Lanfear saying she doesn't like having to do it. Wait. What? After all the negative press from her post reveal?

 

Got more, running out of characters.

[Osangar-Mafia]

Amegakure stepped in with the referenced quote which Cyndane rudely blows off. (Didn't there used to be a teach the newbs protocol around here??)

 

Lanfear dies, Cyndane asks

Why couldn't you just be guilty, Lanfear?

 

I FOS this statement and continue my vote. This prompts her to ask me to meet for tea to get on same wave length. Mostly blows off Balthamel who was also intrigued.

 

She distracts from Asmodean's death. (Why shouldn't we discuss nk's?)

 

She calls out Sammael for comments aimed at Mordeth and then stalls on the vote- at deadline before Kivy changed it. This bugs me because as I said before, players could attempt an alternate vote instead if they don't like the current trend. It is the best town thing to do even if it's futile. I comment on her stalling, she says I'm putting words in her mouth. How? She never answers.

 

She starts trying to be nice again with a backhanded compliment about me being overzealous. Agrees with me about Rahvin looking more suspect that Mordeth.

 

She FOSed Ishamael and voted him today.

 

She suggests Rahvin votes someone else and blames his issues on him or Moridin, Ok, I disbelieve the no vote, but fail to see why she blames them. Explain?

 

And now, I'm done. I am most willing to vote Cyndane, Halima, and Rahvin at this point. I'll start with VOTE CYNDANE again because she bugs me most. I am willing to discuss.

[Osangar-Mafia]

Demandred's reread post was... interesting. I'll probably pick on it more later.

 

Belal, I feel the same way about commitments to the mod and players. Sure, it's a game... but have a little respect. So, in that case, why mock me over Halima claiming laziness to avoid playing? I seriously want an answer here.

[Belal-Mafia]

Lazy buggers" don't get any slack from me. You signed up to play, so play. Reading isn't an excuse either. I've read The Way of Kings since Wednesday, managed my normal responsibilities, and still managed to participate here.

 

How, in any way, shape, or form was this constructive to anything. It really was down right rude. I agree with the overall sentiment of it, but it makes it seem like your sh*t don't stink because of your accomplishments, not saying that's what you meant, but that's the way it came off. The delivery of the message was very snobbish. Especially when Halima wasn't the only person to say that, and yet she was the only one you belittled. Made no sense to me as it wasn't really your place to single anyone out like that. Just my opinion, but I made my comment and then I was over it. I'm a sarcastic person, in RL, so I thought what I said was halarious. Sorry if it hurt your feelings my dear Ossy

[Osangar-Mafia]

Nope, just curious why the attention. Halima got singled out for outright saying she was too lazy to be bothered; that's why lazy bugger has been in quotes each time. No one else said they were too lazy to read through.

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

Ok first I have to say Im so so sorry that I haven't been around. I used all of my internet and have had a super busy weekend. Im starting my read through now. BRB

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

She harps on the Lanfear reveal and even tries to confuse the healer more than once by saying "if" Lanfear's reveal were true, the healer might have to think about leaving the avatar alone. It's a load and a suspicious one at that.

 

I’m glad you know what I was saying, doing, and thinking. I might as well just hand over my alt to you, since you know me so well.

 

I was NOT trying to confuse the Healer. I was presenting a foreseeable problem an inexperienced Healer might have. I thought it best to be safe, and nip it in the bud, than to be sorry.

 

Goes on to claim all townies should have thought ahead to how they'd interact with the avatar. She should know what a crock that statement was since often enough innicents don't plan very far ahead.

 

So, am I an idiot, or a mastermind? Hmmm…

 

I responded to the stuff two paragraphs ago; she ignored it all to rebut that there was one role worth the game. Later claims she was meaning the avatar and we were on different pages. I respond this is confusing since I had clearly indicated the avatar. No rebuttal.

 

You had clearly indicated the avatar to YOU. Not to me, obviously. And I didn’t to you, obviously. Hench: different pages. Perhaps different books, or libraries, even.

 

She moves on to essentially say Quick! Drop the topic! Assume because it had gotten unpopular with active posters.

 

And we all know what assumptions make of me and you.

 

Hey, Cyndane. Avatar Aang. Avatar Aang. Avatar Aang. Whoops! Had to do it again. Damn

 

O NOEZ! I’m melting, I’m melting…

 

She votes Lanfear saying she doesn't like having to do it. Wait. What? After all the negative press from her post reveal?

 

Pretty much. It was Day 1. Almost positive innocent, which I knew. Hench hating the vote, but later wishing she had turned out guilty.

 

Really, it’s not that complicated. I guess I can start leaving bread crumbs for you.

 

Amegakure stepped in with the referenced quote which Cyndane rudely blows off. (Didn't there used to be a teach the newbs protocol around here??)

 

Link please. You know, since you’re the one casing Rude Cyndane.

 

Lanfear dies, Cyndane asks

Why couldn't you just be guilty, Lanfear?

 

Yes.

 

I FOS this statement and continue my vote. This prompts her to ask me to meet for tea to get on same wave length. Mostly blows off Balthamel who was also intrigued.

 

Actually, I really blew you both off on that one.

 

She distracts from Asmodean's death. (Why shouldn't we discuss nk's?)

 

Discuss away. A lot of info you’ll crack down on by examining all…what…twenty possibilities, or some such? A lot anyways. I’d rather wait until a couple more days passed, where we’d have a pattern to go by.

 

She calls out Sammael for comments aimed at Mordeth and then stalls on the vote- at deadline before Kivy changed it. This bugs me because as I said before, players could attempt an alternate vote instead if they don't like the current trend. It is the best town thing to do even if it's futile. I comment on her stalling, she says I'm putting words in her mouth. How? She never answers.

 

Nope, I don’t answer what I don’t want to answer. Reasons for this are beyond my control. (Calm down, nothing in-game. Just my Real Life character flaw.)

 

She starts trying to be nice again with a backhanded compliment about me being overzealous. Agrees with me about Rahvin looking more suspect that Mordeth.

 

Oh, Osangar. I’ve never STOPPED being nice. :twinkle smile:

 

She FOSed Ishamael and voted him today.

 

Agreed.

 

She suggests Rahvin votes someone else and blames his issues on him or Moridin, Ok, I disbelieve the no vote, but fail to see why she blames them. Explain?

 

I don’t know why you fail to see my view. It is a wall we apparently will not overcome as long as we both shall live.

 

And now, I'm done. I am most willing to vote Cyndane, Halima, and Rahvin at this point. I'll start with VOTE CYNDANE again because she bugs me most. I am willing to discuss.

 

I…bug you the most. I believe that was close to Moridin’s reasoning for keeping his vote on Lanfear Day 1. Day 1, but still. Dots. Connect with lines. Hmm…

 

She suggests Rahvin votes someone else and blames his issues on him or Moridin, Ok, I disbelieve the no vote, but fail to see why she blames them. Explain?

 

Serious reply:

 

Your misstep with this observation is the word “blame”.

 

Let’s take a look at some possibilities (since you like those so much):

 

Rahvin was BLOCKED from voting.

Moridin was PROTECTED from being voted.

 

Spank me rosy for wanting to find out which one it was.

 

I disbelieve the no vote

 

I want to make sure I know what you mean by this before I comment on it.

 

Are you saying you doubt that Rahvin is being prevented from voting?

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

As for who said we should ignor the inactives, I don't think anyone has said that. But it seems implied with how everyone is leaving them alone.

 

I admit, it's hard to attack someone who won't defend themselves. That's why we need to start playing mafia.

[Demandred-Mafia]

It was brought up as a response to me, but there's nothing to gain from inactives right now because there are SO MANY, you can't really said XXXXXX is whatever, because there's a ton of them, we'd have to put everyone on the suspicious list. Heck, if the mafia is as inactive as us, it's going to be even more difficult to dispose of them, but good for us if they're unawares of the game and don't know what's going on.

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

ok im back.

 

Cyndane I agree that we should put some pressure on the inactive players but I think we should only lynch people if they haven't showed up for days at a time and have been active around other parts of DM. The problem with that will be the NKs. While we lynch off the inactive people during the day I dont think we can rely on the Mafia to do that same so they could just pick us off one by one before we even get to playing if we did that. So I agree with you in principal but I dont think its practical at all so I wont join in.

 

Also I know I didnt give a reason earlier but your still feeling suspicious to me and I think Osangar highlighted some really good points. You adressed them but in a off-handed and sarcastic way that detracted from you answers. Im not sure if your justed pissed off or did that deliberatly.

 

Belal I'm inclided to agree with you how Osangar is coming off a bit high and mighty but at this point I tend to put him lower on my suspician list and even lean towards trusting him. I know its not the smartest thing but at this point its not the stupidest thing I could be doing.

 

FYI to all, Im currently writing exams but I shoud be on everyday. I have internet for the month again.

I also just read the new WOT book. Finally. I have been hanging out for that

[Osangar-Mafia]

Cyndane, if you were not trying to confuse the healer, you should not have continue the argument of if. The fact that you did...

 

I don't buy the Lanfear vote excuse either. You did a lot of the arguing, you gave a ton of negative press; then you state you dislike killing her. Words and actions don't mesh for me.

 

As for links, it'll be Monday or so. I can't link on a cell.

 

On to how you blew me and Balthamel off... You did at least invite me to tea. ;)

 

About Asmodean's death: the comment was don't, not wait for more info.

 

You can say I put words in your mouth, but not explain how? Hey, that only looks bad on you.

 

I read your comment on Moridin vs Rahvin as Rahvin shamming or Moridin having a vote theft role, not as a protection from a vote because usually it's a role that blocks or steals a vote from a player; not a role that protects a player from a vote. I see what you were saying now, though I disagree with it being a protection of that type. There are other roles that do a far better job at lynch protection than what you suggest.

 

As for you bugging me the most being similar to Moridin's (probably Mordeth actually) reasons... I know you did not just miss the tons of points that actually backed up my reasons for the statement. And I believe I never once said trying too hard or over defensive or scumtell for your case.

 

I doubt Rahvin is being prevented from voting until I see evidence otherwise. Let's note the lack of on thread confirmation. Beyond that, as Rahvin is currently suspect, I'll go ahead and say that it's possible to block your own vote in an attempt to win sympathy. Ever play with the Dread Pirate?

 

I wonder if I missed something. Ahhh... Idiot vs mastermind. You give too much credit here; take it away there. Then there are the little suggestions here and there.

[Osangar-Mafia]

At Mesaana and Demandred's posts: Shaidar is the only inactive I'd vote because he blantantly bandwagoned twice without any attempt to excuse it.

 

I'll agree that Cyndane's method of answering did nothing to put me at ease with her.

[Balthamel-Mafia]

I'm here as well, sorry for not being as active as I was. Thank you for the re-cap Osangar, it was enlightening to say the least.

 

I too would like Mod confermation on Rahvins vote, as of right now I'm not feeling a vote on either Ishmeal and am reserving judgement on Cyndane. Those who are tp of the list for my suspects are Mesaana, Aginor & Shaidar Haran, for reasons previously stated.

 

 

Next, I shall reply to your post Osangar.

 

 

Balthamel: In all honesty is a meh. I think the thread shows we are agreed on the broadstrokes and are butting heads on details. Because of this, I didn't really document much, though I want to touch on some things. Let's call them "over sights."

 

I still suspect you, more of a gut reason than anything concrete, which is why I have yet to vote for aside from the Day 1 random vote. Indeed we do agree on some things, but others we do not.

 

He never really got back to me on my rebuttal of only the Fire Nation being interested in the avatar. At this point, I'd like to reference Lanfear's reveal and the Iroh coronor. Can I get a response from you?

 

the town knows the Avatars identity and therefore doesn't need to make their interest (if they have any) known on thread. While the Fire nation would have to actively search out the Avatar's identity and any protection that may or may not surround him. Your insistence for not dropping discussion surrounding the Avatar is mainly what makes me want to lynch you; others in the thread have supported this sentiment early on when you made it a point to continue the discussion. I applaud your efforts, especially if they are well meaning; but highlighting the Avatar and discussing how we should treat this individual will only make the Mafia's job that much easier.

 

 

I'd also like to point out our difference of opinions on being miserly with info vs team work.

 

The town has all the same info regarding the Avatar, therefore the only people in this game which should feel we're being miserly is the Mafia.

 

He did vote for both Lanfear and Mordeth. In fact, a bit of credit for Mordeth's lynch lies here although I feel that lynch was somewhat justified. More later.

 

I explained my reasoning for both votes, none were votes for the sake of a lynch; you also voted for both these individuals and gave reason as well. In hind sight, the votes were badly placed because they turned out to be innocent; but I am no more or less at fault than everyone else who placed their votes on those two, including you.

 

 

Notes on his reread: points to Shaidar's early no reason votes on both Lanfear and Mordeth; points to Halima for prodding Lanfear and laying groundwork for that lynch; pokes Ishamael for bandwagoning at will; notes Sammael's FOS of Lanfear and A (Asmodean?)- he voted Lanfear though leaned the other way; FOS me...again. Btw, Avatar Aang, Avatar Aang, Avatar Aang. Yeah, this is where I look guilty to him. I actually want the town on the same page and am willing to make umpopular statements to share info I think needs sharing. That MUST make me evil. Besides, I can't resist pushing buttons. (Cyndane, did I just push one of yours again too? More on that later.)

 

Anyway, I get meh since I can understand despite disagreeing.

 

Actually, I've had a change of heart. VOTE: OSANGAR. By default, the town is on the same page because we know the identity of the Avatar, only the Mafia is excluded. Your neglect of not dropping discussion of the Avatar reeks of sniffing for info and I can no longer ignore this nor my gut feeling on you being guilty.

[Balthamel-Mafia]

As of right now, I'm willing to un-vore Osangar if others don't share my feelings concerning his actions or for a lynch in favor of those I listed as my top suspects.

[Belal-Mafia]

Right now I am not in favor of an Ossy lynch. I think both of you just have two very different ideas on how to help the town. One by talking and working or at least seeming to work more in the open, while one doesn't want to discuss it all. Right now let's chalk it up to agreeing to disagree about it and discuss it at a later time.

 

We have to start consolidatingvotes. We only have a little more than a day and a half. I will be on all day tomorrow to discuss it (I'm on my phone now) . Please don't kill each other in the mean time Balth or Ossy or Cyndane for that matter!

[Osangar-Mafia]

Nope. Balthamel, I never voted Lanfear. I can list everyone who did if you wish, but you won't find my name. I expressesd doubt, to be sure, but I also reserved final judgement. Furthermore, the voting of Mordeth you took offense to me listing... was listed for all parties who voted him. I even go on to say, more than once, that I feel he ended up making it pretty justified.

 

I still disagree about interest in the Avatar. If the town is going to protect him, they need to make their interest known AND can do so without naming the player the avatar. For example, if they feel the avatar has done something really bad, they can put pressure on the player to straighten up lest he "lynch himself" or wind up a nk target. This is not a bad thing; it's protection similar to how you suggest. This was my point from the start. I am just not sure you are seeing the point. Unless you feel we should allow just the one personality to run around unchecked, thereby giving Aang away through process of elimination??

 

In regards to being miserly with info, read the above and refresh on the definition of teamwork. United we stand; divided we fall.

 

Balthamel, I rather see where you get your suspicions, but it's ingrained in me to work as a team when I have a team. Therefore, I rather get the feeling that you're an idiot (traditional definition of lacking knowledge, not slang) for not seeing at all what I am saying. I don't think you tried. I think you and a couple others went super paranoid. I don't ever follow social protocols of the Taboo. I'd be offended if it wasn't such a common outlook. Have your vote, maybe you can kill me, then possibly, just possibly, you and the paranoid few will think about what I said.

 

For the record, we still only have style disagreements from my pov, so you are still only meh on my list.

[Kivam]

Vote Count

 

Ishamael (1) - Cyndane

Osangar (1) - Balthamel

 

9 to lynch

 

Before you ask - the vote count is correct

[Osangar-Mafia]

Two people without votes?? Well, that rules out Cyndane's Moridin theory. What next?

 

Oh, and Balthamel, for a completely different reason, dealing with your information processing method, I'd like to repeat the question I posed to Cyndane, and you don't have to answer this on thread or anywhere else, just think about it. Have you ever played with the Dread Pirate?

[Belal-Mafia]

Well as promised i am now going to start my extensive reread, I shall be taking notes, and then I will post my thoughts. I will probably just break the people down in two categories, least and most suspicious because really I don't trust any of the forsaken be back in a bit to let ya'll know what I think, and then hopefully we can get down to business!

[Belal-Mafia]

Well I hope you guys aren't holding your breath, I only have notes on two people... this is taking a lot longer than I expected, but these two are two people of interest so I don't feel like it'll take as long for other people. It'll probably be a couple more hours before I'm ready to post.

[Belal-Mafia]

So I was going to go down the whole list of Alts, and post my thoughts about each person and what they have said or did, kind of what Ossy did. It was taking way too long so now what I'm going to do is just point out who rubbed me in anyway (that sounds dirty) whether it was a bad touch or good touch. I crack myself up.

 

Aginor-

 

- He votes and unvoted Cyndane, Says he's leaning more towards an Asmo lynch because he semi trusts Lanny and Semmy because they make sense. He never explains why they make sense though or about what.

- He then never revotes.

- When the hammer is cast he maintains Lannys innocense.

- Then he basically calls out Ossy saying he thought Lanny was innocent the whole times and everyone bandwagoned on her without reason (I'm sorry, but Aggy can you explain to me without reason because there were tons and tons of reasons to have her lynched), but it wasn't Ossy who questioned him, it was actually Rahvin which granted could simply be a mistake, but mixing people up is a pretty big mistake.

-Also the whole time he thinks Lanny is innocent, he does nothing to try to defend her or sway votes from her to Asmo or anyone else he found suspicious.

-Tell Taim it's a good idea to do a reread and start scum hunting the old fashioned way, but I haven't seen it yet.

-He defends his no votesaying Lanny was already basically the lynch and so he didn't see a point to vote. That makes no sense to me.

-After last lynch, states the mafia must be happy, but at least we got info from votes. He has yet to explain what info.

 

Balth-

 

-Votes Ossy right off the bat (seems like the feud started long before we saw it start huh? ) not really pertinent, I just found it kind of funny.

-Continuously makes a big deal about Ossy bringing up the Avatar issue.

-Votes Lanfear, stating it's better for a majority lynch than leaving it up to the DO (no deadline day 1)

-Unvotes Lanny because of her reveal, Votes Hammy until he hears from Asmo.

-Calls Lanny defensive, but likes his vote for now.

-Votes Lanny, stating Ossy shot up his list, but he wants to move from Day 1.

-States Messy and Ossy of being the most scummy at the end of day 1.

-Defends himself against Ossy, votes him, then states he's willing to unvote once we get a concensus.

 

Graendal-

 

- She checked in one, didn't vote and that's all we heard from her.

 

Moggy-

 

-Checked in, voted Lanny, and that's all we hear from her.

 

 

I'll sum up this post, but I definitely have a few more posts to go. Balth I think is really looking protown right now. I added him to my recap because I agree with almost everything he says, and I think he's playing smart right now, even if he did vote to lynch both of the innocents, I know a lot of town thought that that were both guilty, including me.

 

Aggy is definitely in my top 3 most scummy. His posts and stuff just don't feel right to me. Also he hasn't really done much besides claim that he knew Lanny was innocent the whole time without defending her or anything. He seems very supect.

 

and then the two inactives, they haven't even posted since day 1 of day 1. It's ridiculous. I am definitely not opposed to lynch innactives. Will be back in a bit to post the rest of my thoughts.

[Belal-Mafia]

I feel I've already made my opinions clear on Ishy and Moridin a couple of pages ago, I laid out all the info on them.

 

Rhavin-

 

-Jokes about Lanny being hot.

-Comments on Mafia's goal.

-Wants to hear from Asmo

-Gives Ossy a vocab lesson and then gives Balth a spelling lesson.

-Votes Asmo for not paying attention to the rules

-Talk to Ossy about his comments metagaming and using previous games and such.

-Points out Aggys comment on Lanny being innocent when she's lynched.

-Votes Mordy for dropping "scum tells" left and right.

-Fos's Taim.

-Says "When we lynch your buddy Mordeth, I will be coming for you worm."

-Continues to attack and call Taim scum.

-Claims Mordy has more scumtells

-Votes Moridy (which is different than Mordy, Mordy is dead at this point)

-Vote doesn't count, twice

 

Rhavin doesn't seem right at all. Also what happened to going after Taim. He was gunning super hardcore for Taim and then all of a sudden votes Moridy? I find that highly interesting.

 

Cyndane- With her I'm not too sure. I don't really get a good or bad reading on her as of now. I agree with her on a lot of what she says. Some of what she says sounds scummy, but haven't we all at one point or another. I'm reserving judgement on her for right now.

 

Okay I need a break. Just one or two more posts until I'm done.

[Guest Rahvin-Mafia]

Belly, my good man, you seem to be all over the place.

 

There are many possible reasons why I would push Taim and then vote differently, the main of which is to beat the grass to startle the snakes. You can tell a lot about someone based on their reactions to your inquiry. Being suspicious of everyone is how you play mafia. Actually, the only people who are not suspicious of anyone are the mafia......because they know who they are.

 

Let us look closer at this, shall we? Who seems to be working together yet trying desperately to distance themselves from each other? Also, who has attacked the accusers rather than defend themselves?

 

*takes a puff on the ole stogey*

 

Could Moggy be part of a mafia team told only to check in and vote?

 

....Osengar is very adamant about NOT voting Lanny, am I right?