[Themed] AVATAR Mafia Game Thread - GAME ON

[Guest Rahvin-Mafia]

Holy crap people - how are we still on the same page of this thread?! POST! We can't play if we don't post. We can't scumhunt if we don't post!

 

 

 

Rahvin, you got mod confirmation on that vote block?

 

Not specifically - just an indication that the vote count is correct. Therefore, I assume I've been blocked in some way....either directly or indirectly.

 

 

 

Monday at 8:30. I'm extending the deadlines in general, since they were built for a site that actually playsplays mafia much faster than we do here

 

If it makes you feel better, I'm having fun. I'm sure others are as well. As for the rest.....kill them. Kill them all. <Palpatine face>

[Taim-Mafia]

Like others ive been doing a full reread. I started concentrating on Mordeth posts but unfortuneatly theres not many of them and I cant see any real hints as to any viewings so Im still stuck.

 

Having said that I have picked up on a few minor things(some already noted)

 

Ishy - Just being around for the vote, though he has semi answered this point. I dont know if theres enough in what you said to move you off my possible scum list.

 

Mesaana - Voting Cyndane on "gut" feeling - unless this was a deliberate play by you I dont see how it helped.

 

Rahvin - Picking up on "scumtells" left right and centre. Yes we need to pick up on things but when your scumtells are someone doing a reread this is a town tactic as much as it is mafia, the same with people commenting on coroners reports. Could you be consistant with these - Ive noted that you call out on some people for this but not others for the SAME things - any reason why?

 

Cyndane - Except for Lanfear's death post, your always the first one to be jumping in to say "oh no another townie gone" style posts after coroners reports. Maybe nothing but it stood out for me.

 

Still going through the rest of the notes I made and may have more to add later on.

Im not voting yet as we have plenty of time but I will state for the record Im leaning heavily towards Ishy for the unexplained voting

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

Wanna try voting again, Rahvin? Or voting someone else, just as testing?

 

I'm curious as to whether it's you, Rahvin, or Moridin.

 

Anyways. I finally got a day off. Yippee! Well, actually I'm on call, so cross your fingers.

 

since it's so slow going, I'm going to actually read back and take notes like I've been meaning to from the beginning. *curse life*

 

Replies to comments forthcoming.

[Demandred-Mafia]

I'm still here, trying to formulate some ideas on who to pick on, but it doesn't seem to be happening much. Time to get to my reread, and try to prod others to play

[Guest Rahvin-Mafia]

Wanna try voting again, Rahvin? Or voting someone else, just as testing?

 

I'm curious as to whether it's you, Rahvin, or Moridin.

 

Sure - good idea.

 

VOTE: CYNDANE

 

Hehehe.

[Guest Rahvin-Mafia]

Or, to be safe....

 

UNVOTE

 

VOTE: CYNDANE

[Demandred-Mafia]

Okay, a reread didn't warrant much, other than the bandwagoning for Lanfear and Mordeth, which I really didn't like too much. Any time people start bandwagoning is a time to check who pushed for it, but then again, I think the Town is really hungry for lynches too.

 

As for mafia, I didn't really see any obvious plays and I wonder if they're not sitting back in T'A'R, watching the Town go at each other and hoping they're not picked. With so many people distracted by RL (myself included) I think that hurts chances of deciding mafia by lurkyness, and so we're going for each other, which will only continue to ween us down to nothing.

 

I was rather discomfited by the amount of Avatar talk during Day 1, and I'm glad that's stopped now; anything we say out loud the mafia could grab up and use against us and our goal.

 

Now, as for today, I've seen recent concerns on Ishy's behavior, and I see some votes on Cyn. For Ishy, I agree that nothing much is being said, but you can't really fault that either because it seems that most people ARE being quiet now, and it reeks of forsaken-maneuvering, or laziness. As for Cyn, I'm not sure I'm seeing anything there, becuase I didn't particularily focus on her during my reread, but I'll go back and look and see what I have. I think lynches are the best weapon we have right now to see how people behave (because they're certainly not talking), but it is also a detriment if we keep stabbing each other in the back.

 

And rereading what I wrote, none of that was really helpful at all, but I do believe we need to start consolidating thoughts and votes if we're going to get anywhere. Pushing buttons is all we have at the moment, and that will bring people out of hiding and into the game.

[Guest Rahvin-Mafia]

Regardless of whether I can vote or not, I can still help to prod.

 

Sooo....

 

*prod*

 

C'mon people. Let's play. You don't want me playing with by myself, do you? O_o

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

I disagree with the idea that we should leave the inactives alone. That is a dangerous road to walk. It leaves the mafia free to sit back and watch us literally hang ourselves. As for the LOA (Moghedien, IMO) player, sorry, but that’s not our fault or problem.

 

I officially declare the inactives as fair game.

 

Cyndane - Except for Lanfear's death post, your always the first one to be jumping in to say "oh no another townie gone" style posts after coroners reports. Maybe nothing but it stood out for me.

 

Yes, because 2/4, or ½, is clearly always. :amused:

 

Wanna try voting again, Rahvin? Or voting someone else, just as testing?

 

I'm curious as to whether it's you, Rahvin, or Moridin.

 

Sure - good idea.

 

VOTE: CYNDANE

 

Hehehe.

 

Thank the Great Lord! I was feeling naked without at least one vote on me.

 

Pardon me for not having fluffy posts filled with the same information everyone else is posting. Yes, I could see how that would lead you to believing I am mafia. Didn't I admit to being mafia earlier? But right, that was a joke. Who's actually forward about that?

 

Well, weren't you?

 

There are some days when certain people say all that needs to be said, and others are okay with that, and agree for the most part on those points, making decisions based on what others have found as well as their own thoughts because they were not there for the "massive" amounts of posts. (Though there havn't really been /that/ many)

 

But do feel free to continue finding mafia-tells in my posts. It's interesting the things you find.

 

Ishamael, if you have a problem with us looking at you for your “nothing” posts, make posts of actual substance and genuinely help us out. The more someone posts, the more info we can gather. If you’re innocent, you don’t need to be so shy.

 

My vote stands.

[Demandred-Mafia]

Cyn, who said we should ignore inactives?

[Osangar-Mafia]

Not including anything past my irl last night's post. My notes are prepped. Splitting according to person. Please note they referrence each other in some areas. On cell not using quote feature just typing quote brackets.

 

First to note: OP references day actions. !!! I have several ideas here, but will leave them for later.

 

Second, since someone pointed out Toph as finder, I want to expand. It said of good and bad vibrations leading me to believe it was limited capacity. I'm hoping this means there is another source of finder awesomeness. This leads me back to the OP note. Think, think. :D

 

I want to start people notes with the inconclusives.

 

Graendal: Low post (think only 1). Virtually no info.

 

Moghedian: similar story. Low poster; was on Lanfear vote, not on Moridin.

 

Dashiva: Once again, low poster. Not a lot of info. Did say Sammael did not stick out. I disagree; will post later.

 

Finally, Shaidar Haran: There was a little more here; not much. Was early on Lanfear vote and Mordeth vote. Both used virtually no reason although on Moridin he did take the time to state agreement with Sammy's post. Will discuss later.

[Osangar-Mafia]

Next, I am not doing myself since I know where I stand, and that's unhelpful to you.

 

I want to post the quote I saw that I referenced earlier which made me feel Asmodean was innocent. It was out of character by Amegakure, but still earnest as all get out. I reference it later in cases.

 

"Just because I forgot the rules is a lame reason to vote for me orba nice cover for a real mafia member to try and get a townie killed.

I see a total withdrawal of all pretense here. *shrugs*

 

I'll state that I saw Lanfear as iffy because I'm always leary of reveals on day one (the whole no proof thing). Other than that statement, I feel no need to sat more on her lynch here. It's a basis for info in a lot of the other player cases.

 

Next comes "meh" players. Notes these are less suspicious than iffy. And yes, I did something for even the deadbies.

[Osangar-Mafia]

Aginor: 1st notice him when he claims Lanfear's innocence. He stayed staunch on this. Could be mafia tactic, but I'm buying it when added with his other posts. He barely stays out of low poster territory.

 

Jumps on Mordeth lynch as he could really "get behind" it. This is not saying much either way. Mordeth had behavioral issues I'll discuss later. Claims his vote is for defensiveness (LAZY reasoning, imo), and for lie about OMGUS vote. After Mordeth's death, comments (asks?) about mafia being happy (kinda weird since it was Toph).

 

Lately has bought Rahvin's claim of being vote blocked. More on that later.

 

Demandred: Says to be careful with day one vote. Nice sentiment though curious for obvious futility.

 

Does not vote day one. After Lanfear dies ack's her and simultaneously taps Asmo and Mordeth for odd behavior.

 

Does not vote for Mordeth after calling him out. (I think he was absent the entire day though.) Bringing me to another point. He's been borderline low posting and not much content. What there is is neutral.

[Osangar-Mafia]

Taim was listed as a probable innocent...until I found the rest of my notes. There's just one thing that really bugs me, but I'm going out of order.

 

Never voted Lanfear. After coronor, jokingly asked mafia to claim (always reeks of mafia to me... need more though to change status). Then heads off to do a reread. Did he ever come back? RAFO.

 

Goes on to vote Graendal (2nded a vote for inactivity). In the same post, he highlights the finder's death. This is ultimately neutral though frowned upon by the rabid townies (no one mentions it, I suppose ti avoid ire).

 

Later comes back to remove inactivity vote in lieu of Kivy's loa post.

 

Here's what really bothered me. He goes on to shamelessly call the Mordeth vote viable due to "everyone piling the votes up" and tosses in Balthamel's review notes as another reason then votes Mordeth. (This is NEVER a good enough reason for viability!!!) I'm mostly buying it as a poor phrasing mistake for now. Well see.

 

Conclusions on post Mordeth death reread (he did get back; it just took a while): complains about Ishamael (mirrored Belal's); comments on Mesaana's Cyndane vote; comments on Rahvin's scumdar; comments on Cyndane's coronor oh noes.

[Osangar-Mafia]

Balthamel: In all honesty is a meh. I think the thread shows we are agreed on the broadstrokes and are butting heads on details. Because of this, I didn't really document much, though I want to touch on some things. Let's call them "over sights."

 

He never really got back to me on my rebuttal of only the Fire Nation being interested in the avatar. At this point, I'd like to reference Lanfear's reveal and the Iroh coronor. Can I get a response from you?

 

I'd also like to point out our difference of opinions on being miserly with info vs team work.

 

He did vote for both Lanfear and Mordeth. In fact, a bit of credit for Mordeth's lynch lies here although I feel that lynch was somewhat justified. More later.

 

Notes on his reread: points to Shaidar's early no reason votes on both Lanfear and Mordeth; points to Halima for prodding Lanfear and laying groundwork for that lynch; pokes Ishamael for bandwagoning at will; notes Sammael's FOS of Lanfear and A (Asmodean?)- he voted Lanfear though leaned the other way; FOS me...again. Btw, Avatar Aang, Avatar Aang, Avatar Aang. Yeah, this is where I look guilty to him. I actually want the town on the same page and am willing to make umpopular statements to share info I think needs sharing. That MUST make me evil. Besides, I can't resist pushing buttons. (Cyndane, did I just push one of yours again too? More on that later.)

 

Anyway, I get meh since I can understand despite disagreeing.

[Osangar-Mafia]

Now to the iffy players. First is Sammael, Iroh, the dead townie firebender.

 

Notes the Lanfear trend early and takes the Asmodean route. Comes back later to hammer Lanfear while stating he was unsure of his vote. Early reveal was odd for one with a strong town role. Prompting the question- Lanfear's road or Mordeth's?? Early to save the role or late (maybe never) and lose it anyway?

 

Falls into borderline low poster category.

 

He was the first to vote Mordeth due to calling the mafia newbs. Now, at first, this isn't bad. Could just be prudence, but then he says they have a plan. Strikes me as it could be taking offense. He continues to escalate in feelings toward Mordeth making fun of the mafia. Again, appears as offense rather than prudence. Calls the posts over the top all the while ignoring similar from Rahvin ( they agree about Mordeth, so why say anything?)

 

On to Belal. 1st vote for Lanfear. Does a good bit of lynch ground work. Accuses me of deflecting votes over Avatar comments (glad in retrospect if I did).

 

After Lanfear died, makes curious comment about needing to be careful now. (As opposed to before??) Follows this by voting a low poster. (That's careful??)

 

Mocks me for Halima "lazy bugger" comments.

 

Cases Ishamael: "feels off"; no new ideas; bandwagons at will.

 

Cases Moridin with similar results.

[Osangar-Mafia]

Last iffy is Ishamael. I'll preface this by saying my final rating is tainted by metagaming. I think I know the player's identity which means I am susceptible to other thoughts. Anyway, I placed it halfway between what I really think and what I'd think if it didn't have a name attached.

 

Started as a low poster, but is gaining speed.

 

He randomly popped in to vote Lanfear with no reason. States he feels he has nothing to add and feels opinions are being made for him, but that the game is interesting.

 

After Lanfear's death, he speculates on unseen info. Insider knowledge??

 

Seconds Rahvin's FOS on Taim. More later.

 

Pops in to hammer (he thought) Mordeth for defensiveness. This is a LAZY vote. There was plenty to go on for Mordeth without day one style excuses.

 

Gets upset at accusations leveled at him; responds by saying he's mafia 2 times. Going for sarcasm joke. Not sure it worked.

 

Ok, everyone else is on my suspicious list. I'll recap the names there in no particular order, then I'm going to bed. I'll post the rest tomorrow. I hope.

 

Semirhage

Cyndane

Rahvin

Moridin

Mesaana

Mordeth

Halima

[Osangar-Mafia]

Well, since you were all waiting with baited breath (or too hung over to come around :P ), I'll get started on my defininate suspicious list.

 

Semirhage: She stays in the low poster range.

 

She pops onto the scene with an interesting idea about how those voting without a reason rouse less suspicions than those with a reason.

 

She never votes Lanfear and after her death suggests we look at accusers for clues. She never follows this up.

 

She mentions me poking people as a supposed idle comment; similarly, the "banter" with Belal over Halima's "lazy bugger" post. I am curious about these. She never explains her comment about me poking, but it comes off as being a feeler for controversey. When followed up with the Belal comment, this suspicion solidifies. Especially since she is defining banter as Belal belittling me in one sentence and me rolling my eyes at him. Anyway, I want an explanation.

 

She votes Mordeth for overdefensive ranting. Nothing interesting there except that she follows the vote by saying she needs to vote. Umm, why?

[Osangar-Mafia]

Moridin: Votes Lanfear early.

 

I have a note asking myself if Moridin bothered to post content outside of phone access issues. The answer was not really.

 

I am attributing Alannalyn's out of character post to him since it follow's the phone issue complaints. It doesn't really say much except another mockery of my comment toward Halima for her "lazy bugger" comment. Seriously, guys. She said she was too busy reading a book to really play the game. I undersrand great book, but I'm not playing her game for her. Grow up.

 

Anyway, the real reason this is of note is that it is quite similar to Belal's comment. My ears perk up when player comments mirror each other.

 

*Gasp* There was almost real content with the coroner's reports. But it was just dang you died comments. Even when he's "upset" about Belal's case against him, there is no real fight and not much content.

 

I call this one suspicious for pretending to play by keeping a presence, but not really doing anything.

[Osangar-Mafia]

Now for Mordeth: I never saw this one until his comments toward Asmodean. On a reread, I picked up a little more. I hate that we killed him, but I am not sure if a reveal would have helped. It may have when considering the slow pace of the lynch. But that may be equally attributable to participation issues.

 

He votes Lanfear to move the game along. This is not bad since each day has taken a week. He cites a possibility for truth in her claim, but goes on with some pretty words about collateral damage. OK, you believe she may be telling the truth on a day with no deadline. A day that has drug on forever. You choose to vote her instead of setting up an alternate lynch??? Was not the only one though.

 

Goes on to say her death will provide "a lot" of info. Again pretty words. No follow up post death.

 

Here he's semibelieving her; next post she's scum. Big position flip.

 

He contines to astound with his highly suspecting Asmodean over a rules slip.

 

Once Asmodean is killed, he is prompted to begin his mafia newb speculation. This drew tons of attention- note Sammael's case.

 

When he comes under fire, he never once offered anything approaching a solid defense. He seemed to take it personally to the point of being overboard rude toward Asmodean.

 

He does a retaliatory vote against Sammael; claims it wasn't OMGUS. No one buys it; we lynch Toph the senser of good and bad vibrations with only one person unvoting in favor of another player. (I don't remember who.)

 

I'd like to note again that it sounds like a limited capacity role.

 

Also, at this point, note Lanfear voted Asmodean and Mordeth voted Sammael. Each who died the night of the respective lynch. 2 is coincidence only, nevertheless, it may be worth mentioning.

[Osangar-Mafia]

Mesaana: Admits freely to reasonless bandwagoning of Lanfear "just to see" her reaction because she's "far away from a lynch." Despite this statement, there were already votes on her for the same reason. I can understand adding pressure, but it was odd to attempt to apply reason to what she'd just called reasonless. You are adding pressure or baseless bandwagoning, not both.

 

She removes the vote post roleclaim, but says

Blatent bandwagoning is one of the few ways to start the game moving quickly. I don't think it's particularly scummy on day one. I still think we should let you live at least until tomorrow in case you are telling the truth.

This is truth, but it can become an indicator. Also, how would you ascertain the truth of that claim? I don't think it's actually a very provable role without outing the finder types which makes it something of a curious statement.

 

She was not on Mordeth lynch. Instead, she votes Cyndane as a "bad feeling." While I agree Cyndane is suspicious, there was stuff to indicate by this point (even previously mentioned) that she could have used to be more convincing. Odd again.

 

She came off as celebratory about missing the hammer vote on Mordeth while stating that she would have done it if Cyndane hadn't. This is after the coroner. This is an odd interplay toward Cyndane who was pinging her. Also, since you didn't vote or really naysay Mordeth, why on earth did you add that?! It makes you look either really sloppy or really bad.

 

That last makes the overall effect seem suspicious.

[Belal-Mafia]

I was actually hung over this morning Ossy but I was also, whether you believe it or not, waiting for you to finish your thoughts. I might not always agree with some of the comments you make, but you seem to be one of the only people who are interested in playing the game. It's very hard to find mafia with the low amount of information/posting going on. So I appreciate your effort.

 

I know sometimes RL gets in the way, but when you sign up for a mafia game, I take that as a commitment to the mod and to the other players. I know I've seen about 95% of the people who signed up for this game post elsewhere on this site. It's not hard to make at least one post per day. It's always better to say something than nothing, as nothing doesn't give us anything (obviously because that is the definition of nothing! I crack myself up sometimes). Also everyone has a different view on things so someone might see something the rest of us don't see.

 

I feel bad that Kiv went through all the trouble of putting this game together and modding when no one, but a select few, are really putting in any effort at all to make this game fun because right now it isn't any fun. DM might not have PMs working, but that's not an excuse to not post as you don't need PMs to play this game and the boards are working fine. So please everyone lets put a lot more effort is making this a good and fun game, that's why I signed up for it, not to mention the alt account thing is awesome.

 

So that's my rant about the inactivity. I will start gunning for innactives if this doesn't change soon. I know one person is on LOA, but that's only one person not everyone. So let's get to it and hunt those mafia scum!!!!!!!!! Right meow! We only have until Tuesday to put our heads together!!!!!

[Belal-Mafia]

And by Tuesday I meant Monday, so that only gives us two days.

[Osangar-Mafia]

Now, Halima: She over all keeps striking the wrong chord with me.

 

She votes Lanfear calling the roleclaim "silly." She even goes so far as to try to alternately claim Lanfear's role by giving it other very anti-town names. After this, she tried to down play the Jack of all Trades role.

 

She FOS me for not outright calling Cyndane a mafia member... on day one. Follows this up later by incorrectly restating my position in an apparent attempt to discredit me. At the same time, she is defending Cyndane with nearly the exact words Cyndane used as defense. She asks me to repeat my reasons for voting Cyndane by stating she's a "lazy bugger" who can't be bothered to do it herself. She declares a semi LOA at the same time.

 

She never voted Mordeth.

 

She calls out Mesaana for her "bad feeling." Again, an apparent defense of Cyndane.

 

She calls out Sammael and Mordeth's argument.

 

And she overplays the use of alt characters the same as Rahvin did.

[Guest Semirhage-Mafia]

I was rather discomfited by the amount of Avatar talk during Day 1, and I'm glad that's stopped now; anything we say out loud the mafia could grab up and use against us and our goal.

This seems rather odd to point out to me. Obviously the town was a bit on edge about the Avater talk day 1, many players said so, and I saw no reason to bring it back up. However, you are not the only one doing so in your re-read, so even though this stood out to me at first, I realized it's not really a completely valid reason for a vote on its own.

 

Well, since you were all waiting with baited breath (or too hung over to come around :P ), I'll get started on my defininate suspicious list.

 

Semirhage: She stays in the low poster range.

 

She pops onto the scene with an interesting idea about how those voting without a reason rouse less suspicions than those with a reason.

 

She never votes Lanfear and after her death suggests we look at accusers for clues. She never follows this up.

 

She mentions me poking people as a supposed idle comment; similarly, the "banter" with Belal over Halima's "lazy bugger" post. I am curious about these. She never explains her comment about me poking, but it comes off as being a feeler for controversey. When followed up with the Belal comment, this suspicion solidifies. Especially since she is defining banter as Belal belittling me in one sentence and me rolling my eyes at him. Anyway, I want an explanation.

 

She votes Mordeth for overdefensive ranting. Nothing interesting there except that she follows the vote by saying she needs to vote. Umm, why?

I chose not to touch more on your poking people because I have seen the tactic used very well by good players to judge reactions, but didn't want to state it in case I gave away the tactic to less experienced players who may change their reaction knowing you are watching for it. It made sense in my head, but I also did figure you would come back to comment on it eventually.

I want to point out, this is a tactic that some players always use, being town or mafia, so even though I see it as a good tactic, it doesn't say anything for your innocence or lack-there-of. It was just something that I had noticed and commented on.