Mad Hatter Mafia Tea Party - GAME OVER-Page 94

June 27, 2008

im sory again for posting on the wrogn account guys but i've had a really bad day today. I just totaled the front of my truck on my way to work and now wont have it for a month. Let alone the fact that I arrived to work late and have no way to get to work now. So my heads not exactly in the right place

in any event [glow=red,2,300]moridin[/glow]

Rita Skeeter · June 27, 2008

*Floats around in his corner*

HUmmmm...well Taim...not sure I should trust you. I'll give your word a chance this time....

Moridin

*whispers to the red people*.....your votes are to be in purple.... ;)

Rita Skeeter · June 27, 2008

HUmmm....ok I DID do it in Purple... ::)

[glow=purple,2,300]Moridin[/glow]

June 27, 2008

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OK, time to kick this game into gear.

A number of you got some very strange PMs from me. Very simply, I decided to send out PMs acting like I was a symp and seeking instruction from the mafia.

[glow=red,2,300]Halima and Moridin[/glow] bit.

I was planning to keep the ruse going a little longer, but Moridin is now asking me for a copy of my role PM from Loki, which is problematic because I didn't get one, and therefore I have [glow=red,2,300]no freakin clue what Loki is calling the mafia[/glow] (we are the "Partygoers", but what are they? The mafia? The rebels? The natives? I have no idea. Dammit, Loki, give me something to work with). With Moridin already suspicious and no role PM coming from me to him, I have a feeling that I'm going to die tonight. So I need to get this out there now.

[glow=purple,2,300]Moridin[/glow] and Halima are evil. Lets lynch them.

I tried to rise above this. I am guessing that this is one of the newer players and I did not want to be mean, but we are hours away from a lynch and fighting a bandwagon seems to be a better choice than sparring Taim's feelings.

So tough love it is, Taim. In mafia games, when you want to get another player lynched, you should provide evidence, or else that lynch can turn against you.

So far you have put together a very risky plan, endangered innocents, protested very loudly that you do not know what Loki is calling the mafia, and tried to start a bandwagon. But you forgot the evidence.

Luckily, I have it all right here. ;)

You admit to sending out strange PM's. This is what you sent to me:

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What would you like me to do, Master?

My reply, and your follow up:

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Quote from: Moridin-Mafia on June 26, 2008, 09:29:31 AM
I would like you to post as if you were a barnyard animal on the game for one post.

Done. What next?

Some of this should be making more sense now. Go ahead, moo again for the nice people.

Then you become a pest. I cut to the chase and you reply:

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Quote from: Moridin-Mafia on June 26, 2008, 01:19:08 PM

Send me a quote of your pm requiring you to pm me.

You know as well as I do that I can't quote mod PMs; in any event, I wasn't required to do anything.

I just think Loki overlooked the ramifications of allowing any player to PM any other player.

I seriously doubt that Loki has overlooked anything, but you overlooked the rules. My follow up and your reply:

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Quote from: Moridin-Mafia on June 26, 2008, 02:08:00 PM

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Quoting Mod PMs: allowed but remember they can be faked quoting the pictures is not allowed however

OMG, I would never have asked if Loki had not said that it was allowed.

I am just wondering why you would choose me. Can you explain why you did?

Because you are mafia and I am your symp?

Followed at last by my reply, which has been our final contact:

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Re: About this mafia game
« Sent to: Taim-Mafia on: June 26, 2008, 04:21:24 PM » Quote Reply Remove

This is why I asked to see that PM. I don't think everything is on the level here.

I am tempted to say that complaining to Loki in bold red text that you don't know what term he is using for mafia is about as scummish as you can get. But, more than anything, I think you are just going off half-cocked. You remind me very much of a player that just drove the innocents in the No Frills game to a big loss by doing the same thing. If Loki decides to allow vote changes, I will put my vote on you for being a distraction and irresponsible.

ShaidarHaran-Mafia · June 27, 2008

Where is it disallowed, [glow=purple,2,300]Moridin[/glow]? Goat, I'll try it.

ShaidarHaran-Mafia · June 27, 2008

Incidentally, if anyone wants to talk about goats, then ...

ShaidarHaran-Mafia · June 27, 2008

... lacking any goat-specific prohibitions, I'll talk via PM.

June 27, 2008

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Where is it disallowed, [glow=purple,2,300]Moridin[/glow]? Goat, I'll try it.

What are you talking about? I said it was allowed.

Here's a quick synopsis: Taim took it upon himself to PM several players, and then got carried away with his own theory and started pointing fingers.

He is the only one who has claimed to be a symp or creid to Loki about not knowing what the mafia are called in this game. Did I mention that he was upset at Loki because, darn it, he just doesn't know what the mafia are called in this game?

I will be very disappointed if anyone else falls for this. I'm surprised at who has already. And remember, you can't unvote, so be careful.

Let me put it this way: do you want the person who can make cases and seems to understand some of the rules of the game on your side? Or do you want the person who comes up with some ridiculous plan and starts naming innocents as mafia?

If you do lynch me, somebody please stuff a sock in Taim's mouth so he can't bring down the entire innocent team. he probably is a symp. :P

June 27, 2008

I think I've played a mafia game with Taim before......wild accusations, finger pointing, and got all of us innocents lynched. The Mafia didn't have to do anything but vote. Still, he's a funny lad...I enjoyed every minute of it.

Taim-Mafia · June 27, 2008

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I tried to rise above this. I am guessing that this is one of the newer players and I did not want to be mean, but we are hours away from a lynch and fighting a bandwagon seems to be a better choice than sparring Taim's feelings.

So tough love it is, Taim. In mafia games, when you want to get another player lynched, you should provide evidence, or else that lynch can turn against you.

Thanks for the instruction, btw. I'd be willing to bet any amount of money that someone like Kivam would be very much in favor of lynching you today and Halima tomorrow. More on that later.

I do appreciate you providing the evidence, though ::)

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You admit to sending out strange PM's. This is what you sent to me:

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What would you like me to do, Master?

My reply, and your follow up:

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Quote from: Moridin-Mafia on June 26, 2008, 09:29:31 AM
I would like you to post as if you were a barnyard animal on the game for one post.

Done. What next?

Some of this should be making more sense now. Go ahead, moo again for the nice people.

Moo. Excellent point - as part of my attempt to see how you'd react if I told you I was a symp, I followed your instructions. And that tells you . . . what, exactly?

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Then you become a pest. I cut to the chase and you reply:

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Quote from: Moridin-Mafia on June 26, 2008, 01:19:08 PM

Send me a quote of your pm requiring you to pm me.

You know as well as I do that I can't quote mod PMs; in any event, I wasn't required to do anything.

I just think Loki overlooked the ramifications of allowing any player to PM any other player.

I seriously doubt that Loki has overlooked anything, but you overlooked the rules. My follow up and your reply:

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Quote from: Moridin-Mafia on June 26, 2008, 02:08:00 PM

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Quoting Mod PMs: allowed but remember they can be faked quoting the pictures is not allowed however

OMG, I would never have asked if Loki had not said that it was allowed.

I am just wondering why you would choose me. Can you explain why you did?

Because you are mafia and I am your symp?

Followed at last by my reply, which has been our final contact:

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Re: About this mafia game
« Sent to: Taim-Mafia on: June 26, 2008, 04:21:24 PM » Quote Reply Remove

This is why I asked to see that PM. I don't think everything is on the level here.

And this last exchange is what nails it down, IMO. As an innocent, if I got a PM from someone claiming to be my mafia symp, I'd simply reply that I was not mafia, and disclose the exchange on the thread ASAP or at the very least throw a vote on my supposed symp. (Which, btw, is what Vemy/Cyndane did)

[glow=red,2,300]side note - sorry to hear about your truck, Vemy. That sucks.[/glow]

Instead, you felt me out, looking for confirmation that I was indeed your symp. No reason at all for an innocent to do that, every reason for a mafioso. Halima had the same reaction.

Oddly enough, none of the other players I PMd had any response at all. I wonder why that might be?

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I am tempted to say that complaining to Loki in bold red text that you don't know what term he is using for mafia is about as scummish as you can get. But, more than anything, I think you are just going off half-cocked. You remind me very much of a player that just drove the innocents in the No Frills game to a big loss by doing the same thing. If Loki decides to allow vote changes, I will put my vote on you for being a distraction and irresponsible.

Look, it's really very simple. This is a coroner-less game. That means we won't get any real information to work with from lynches.

So here's what I suggest. Lynch Moridin today, Halima tomorrow, and [glow=red,2,300]lynch me the next day[/glow]. Obviously, if I'm mafia or a mafia symp, this makes no sense; trading a mafioso for two innocent lynches on the first two days is a bad, bad idea, since two innocents would likely die anyway without the need for a trade. It's especially dumb as a mafia ploy day 1, since there's no way to even attempt to target players who might be roled. Of course, this means that to make sure that this logic holds, you [glow=red,2,300]will[/glow] need to follow through and lynch me day 3, no matter what, just to avoid the "maybe he's hoping this argument will get him out of it" doubt.

I'm cool with that.

We do it my way, and here are the potential outcomes:

1) I'm innocent, and right, and Halima and Moridin are mafia. Outcome: 2 dead mafia, 1 dead innocent in 3 day lynches. Nice!

2) I'm innocent, and wrong, and only one of Halima or Moridin are mafia. Outcome: 1 dead mafia, 2 dead innocents, in 3 day lynches. In a game this big, still nice.

3) I'm innocent, and wrong, and neither are mafia. Outcome: 3 dead innocents in 3 day lynches. Not nice, but also not unexpected in a game of this size. Plus the cop can investigate the remaining players without worrying about the 3 of us, making it more likely that they will find mafioso.

4) I'm a lying liar who lies, and Halima and Moridin are innocents. Outcome: 2 dead innocents, 1 dead mafioso/symp in 3 day lynches. As I said before, that's a great trade for the town and a bad trade for the mafia.

So, of the 4 possibilities, 3 are very good for the town and one is neutral, since its the likely outcome in any event (3 innocent lynches in the first 3 days).

Maybe its because I'm "one of the newer players" (am I, am I really, Moridin? ;D), but that analysis seems pretty air-tight, don't you think?

The only real downside for the town would be if Halima or Moridin had power roles (I obviously am not the cop or doc if I'm offering to sacrifice myself. I know I'm a rolelesws innocent, but from an objective standpoint I'm either mafia/symp or a roleless innocent). But I think the odds of either of them randomly having a power role are vanishingly small (especially since if I had one I would never have responded to a PM like the one I sent - too much downside, not enough upside).

Taim-Mafia · June 27, 2008

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I think I've played a mafia game with Taim before......wild accusations, finger pointing, and got all of us innocents lynched. The Mafia didn't have to do anything but vote. Still, he's a funny lad...I enjoyed every minute of it.

Which game do you think that was?

Taim-Mafia · June 27, 2008

BTW, here are Halima's PMs. I don't save my outgoing as a default, unfortunately, so my replies are paraphrases

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And why am i your master??

I reply: Because you are mafia and I'm your symp?

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hum realy am i now???

My response was something along the lines of "Well, if you aren't, I may need to go kill Loki for giving me false information."

Which was followed by this PM from Halima:

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yup i am! to be honest i have no plans as of yet lets just see how the rest of the day goes then we'll make some decisions!

June 27, 2008

...

What on Earth is going on?

Are you actually the symp or not, then??

Belal-Mafia · June 27, 2008

*giggles*

Oooh the plot thickens ;D

Maybe we should lynch Taim and find out if he is the symp? Or not, just a suggestion.

Demandred-Mafia · June 27, 2008

Okay Taim, if what you are saying is true and those were the replies, it looks to me as though the most obvious one to go for would be Halima after she supposedly admitted it in her pm to you.

If Mordrin did turn out to be Mafia, I think you know only too well how this game will go. I have yet to see a game where the lynching suggestion was followed for three days on the trot. So it could be that you are Mafia and so is Mordrin and you are trying to make yourself look innocent, by getting him lynched. I would imagine quite a few mafia that you may think it worth it. Though if Halima is innocent your pm quotes from her would look mighty suspicious, as she admitted being mafia then turned out to be. :-\

Taim-Mafia · June 27, 2008

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...

What on Earth is going on?

Are you actually the symp or not, then??

Nope. I'm an innocent who decided to pretend to be a symp. Seems to have worked out pretty well. ;D

June 27, 2008

Alright, I look at it like this:

If Taim is making up a crappy story, and leading us on a merry goose chase, he'll be easy enough to lynch tomorrow.

However, based on the wording of Halima's quotes, I'm willing to give her a try. If she does turn out innocent, then we know Taim is lying through is teeth, and will be an easy lynch for us. If he is telling us the truth, and Halima turns out evil, then we've started the game out taking out one evil, as opposed to nearly always taking out an innocent. If he's lying, then we are right in the same situation we always find ourselves--lynching a random innocent on Day 1; except this time, Taim has put himself up on the chopping block for Day 2. Sounds like a better plan than what's been going down thus far. And those are my 10 cents. :P

So I'm going for [glow=purple,2,300]Halima[/glow] today.

June 27, 2008

Oh, and I hate all the alt reveals, takes the fun out of figuring out who you all are, and I like the alts...revealing makes them pretty pointless. :(

June 27, 2008

And one more thing, because I refuse to edit my posts.

I don't think Taim is who you all think he is. I could be way off...but I think there is someone else who has been posting just as flamboyantly. There's two more cents for ya. ;)

Taim-Mafia · June 27, 2008

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Okay Taim, if what you are saying is true and those were the replies, it looks to me as though the most obvious one to go for would be Halima after she supposedly admitted it in her pm to you.

Of the two, Moridin strikes me as the more dangerous player (or at least the more careful player) and therefore I'd prefer to get rid of him first. But I'm fine with either of them, so long as they go 1-2 and I go number 3

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If Mordrin did turn out to be Mafia, I think you know only too well how this game will go. I have yet to see a game where the lynching suggestion was followed for three days on the trot. So it could be that you are Mafia and so is Mordrin and you are trying to make yourself look innocent, by getting him lynched. I would imagine quite a few mafia that you may think it worth it. Though if Halima is innocent your pm quotes from her would look mighty suspicious, as she admitted being mafia then turned out to be. :-\

Demmy, there's no coroner finder in this game. You'll lynch Moridin, then Halima, then me, all without having any idea which of the 4 outcomes you are dealing with, since Loki won't tell you.

By the same token, lynching Moridin (or Halima) also gives me no opportunity to look innocent, since we won't get confirmation from the Mod that he (or she) actually was guilty.

Look, I'm as fond of the "attack your teammate" style of mafia play as anyone on here, but it makes no sense in a coronerless game.

In any event, this line of logic is why I insist that I be the third one to go, since leaving this type of doubt around is only bad for the town.

Taim-Mafia · June 27, 2008

This deserves its own post, since so many of you seem to be thinking that you'll be told role and alignment when you lynch somebody.

[glow=red,2,300]There is no coroner finder in this game. We will not be told role and alignment when someone is lynched or killed[/glow] (although we can assume anyone night killed was innocent ;D

Here's Loki's original post:

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Mod Coroner Finder: X

In this case, the "X" means "no" - which you can tell from the next two times it's used:

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Roles listed: X

Did we have a list of roles? No. "X" means "no"

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Post Deleting or editing: X

Anyone think Loki meant we could delete or edit our posts? Again, "X" means "no"

So, one more time with feeling:

There will be no coroner finder.

When we lynch Moridin, we won't be told if he is evil or innocent - just that he's dead. When we lynch Halima, we won't be told if she's evil or innocent - just that she's dead. When we lynch me, you won't be told if I was evil or innocent - just that I'm dead.

In other words, you can't lynch one of us and determine from that whether the others are innocent or guilty.

Which is exactly why all three of us need to go.

Can we get a vote count?

Taim-Mafia · June 27, 2008

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And one more thing, because I refuse to edit my posts.

I don't think Taim is who you all think he is. I could be way off...but I think there is someone else who has been posting just as flamboyantly. There's two more cents for ya. ;)

;D

For some reason, that line reminded me of the Princess Bride

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means"

Osangar-Mafia · June 27, 2008

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And one more thing, because I refuse to edit my posts.

I don't think Taim is who you all think he is. I could be way off...but I think there is someone else who has been posting just as flamboyantly. There's two more cents for ya. ;)

;D

For some reason, that line reminded me of the Princess Bride

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means"

Ha! That's exactly what I was thinking, and you beat me to it. >:(

I also agree with Mesaana here. And I also think that Taim makes sense, but alas, I've already voted today and I can't change.

Demandred-Mafia · June 27, 2008

Ooops My bad, I read that oin the beginning, but it didn't sink in. :-[

I hate games with no finder coroner, it's very advantageous to the evils..

Okay I have to agree with messana and go with [glow=purple,2,300]Halima[/glow], as I pointed out if that is correct that looks like an admission more so than Mordrins.

As for wjho is who, I'm really enjoying not knowing and I'm nit even trying to guess. Ok I haven't got a clue anyway, and don't have time or energy to try and work that out as well.

Never seen Princess Bride!

June 27, 2008

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Never seen Princess Bride!

Inconceivable! :o

And I seriously thought the X's meant yes. I don't get why he couldn't have just used 'yes' and 'no'....but then again, I don't get the unvoting either. I guess my American mind can't wrap around the concept of X meaning 'No'. I typically use X as a 'yes' in a checklist of sorts. Meh.

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