Game Over - Insane Mafia Game. Page 94

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

There is a lie in this somewhere. I feel it. I know it. It doesn't make sense and despite what Barm said, it does affect the game when there is a lie.

[Guest Sammael-Mafia]

I am also going with [glow=red,2,300]Aginor[/glow]. When I was reading  through the thread again Aginor does stick out in a few places. First off with Be'lal and the no lynch vote. I changed the color of the glow to not confuse with my vote. First Aginor voted for the no lynch

Awaugh.

I just read from page 18 till now.

You guys sure talk a lot.

:P

I think I'm going to vote [glow=green,2,300]No Kill[/glow], because it does seem like a good idea, considering the things we've learned today.

 

and the following day said

I believe that we should have taken down [glow=green,2,300]Be'lal[/glow] yesterday, he is hitting me very hard as a mafia, and if not that, then a symp.   All of these accusations on him only further my suspicions that he is the one to lynch today.

 

 

And now with Balthamel. During the day yesterday Aginor believed Balth to be evil and would not remove his vote until a finder claimed otherwise.

*Kicks Rahvin down a set of stairs*

Yea-he-yeaaahhh!

 

Whoever did that night kill for Rahvin, I give you a hearty pat on the back.

;D!

Sucks we lost another innocent, but hey, at least we got an evil, right?

Time to get another.

 

[glow=green,2,300]Balthamel[/glow]

and

I stay my vote unless the finder reveals and says it's true.

 

Yet today Aginor claims to have used his healing/stealing role on Balth last night because:

 

Uh-uh.

I used my role on Balth tonight in case the evils had a role blocker.

*nods*

And my role only takes away the other person's role, it doesn't kill them.

 

[glow=green,2,300]Aginor[/glow]

 

 

Why you so mean?

 

 

Aginor if you believed Balth to be evil then why would you heal him with your role to protect him from an evil roleblocker? And if Balth is telling the truth about being our finder/healer than your role took away his ability. I believe you to be a lying liar who lies and evil.

 

[Ishamael-Mafia]

I want to make sure that I understand two things that maoggy brought up.

 

Are you saying that the "bullet-proof" situation was a mod oversight and correction, or somethinng else? Obviously it was edited, so if Moridin is telling the truth about that role, than an oversight is all I can come up with. Well, without a resurrection and that would be way out there.

 

And my understanding of Aginor's role description was that he could heal and if the person he was healing was hit with a nightkill attempt, the killer would lose whatever role that they had been given. That's different than just a striaght forward role-blocker.

 

Di I have these right, or am I mis-understanding?

[Arangar-Mafia]

I considered whether or not to share this, for those that missed it, out of respect to the mod. But I decided that slipping is part of the game, and the pieces should fall where they will. Barm's first post announcing Moridin and Halima's deaths originally  labeled Moridin as innocent.  Then it was edited.

 

I'm counting that as a confirmed innocent, and since we are gunning for evils, that narrows the field down to 7.

 

I have a list of most likely evils, and Aginor tops it. I'm curious to see how others feel.

 

I want to make sure that I understand two things that maoggy brought up.

 

Are you saying that the "bullet-proof" situation was a mod oversight and correction, or somethinng else? Obviously it was edited, so if Moridin is telling the truth about that role, than an oversight is all I can come up with. Well, without a resurrection and that would be way out there.

 

And my understanding of Aginor's role description was that he could heal and if the person he was healing was hit with a nightkill attempt, the killer would lose whatever role that they had been given. That's different than just a striaght forward role-blocker.

 

Di I have these right, or am I mis-understanding?

 

 

First you claim you saw what Barm originally put.. as did Moridin.  Now you are going back and saying something different... which one is it Ishy? (bolds and underlined added by me)

[Ishamael-Mafia]

 

I saw Barm label Moridin as innocent, so to me, that proves him innocent.  But that does mean that he would have revealed everything about his role or how it worked. While we try to figure out what happened last night, we need to remember that so that all possibilities are left open. See?

[Aginor-Mafia]

YOU ROLE BLOCKED ME?!!? WHY? [glow=red,2,300]Aginor[/glow]

 

Do you WANT me to die?

 

 

I'm not a roleblocker.

I'm a healer, if someone targets you with their role, you're protected, and their role is given to the great mod in the sky.

 

 

 

 

Here's a little something to go on: Aginor spent most of the game inactive and made no real attempts to try and be influential. A random vote for Semi, a lot of spam, and an admission of being "noobish" all fall in line with the newer player's style (last few newbie games), so that's not all that interesting to me. [glow=Green,2,300]What I do find interesting is a role reveal that makes you a healer and a stealer. I believe Balth is the only other player to have revealed a double role. Is this correct? I'll have to check. But I digress. This role is particularly useful in discouraging any vig hit, but more importantly, it explains why he never dies at night. Handy role, that.[/glow]

 

He then goes from inactive and not having much of an opinion to being the first one (I need to double check this, but I believe he was) to vote for Balthamel. He stays suspicious of Balth, leaves his vote on Balth and even chides Balth a bit. He's watching posts and paying attention. Cyndane is lynched instead and we go to night under the impression that Aginor thought Balth was an evil.

 

But Balthamel lived through the night yet again (uh-huh, again) and despite Balth's admission that he would heal himself that night, Aginor admits to double healing him in case of a possible role-block. Somebody was pretty interested in protecting Balth. Any reason for that, Agi?

Balth then posts in bold that Aginor was trying to kill him in an effort to make a healing look like a hit? Aran'gar made short work of that and cleared it right up for the ruse that it was. Looks like a classic pairing and maybe a couple of slips because the game has gone on so long?

 

So that's it in a nutshell. Agi is Balth's bestest friend and part of a duo that always has a good reason for why they are around after every night. What else does everyone see?

 

 

In response to the bolded part of the quote:  Being more active? What are you, insane? My activity has gone down the drain in this game since school started, I've basically done a quick read through of what I've missed, posted what seems okay, then gotten off of it. Never woulda signed up if I thought the game wouldn't end by school.

 

 

[glow=green,2,300]In reponse to the green glowed part of the quote:  No, I don't have a double role, I'm a healer, I don't steal the roles.  Woulda posted that I can only use it on others, but then vigs would take me out, a roled person that can't use it on himself? Smart, eh?[/glow]

 

 

Response to the yellow colored text of the quote:  So, your suggesting that I healed him because I was afraid of a vig hit? Good idea, I guess, but the problem would be...why would a vig have both the vig ability AND a role-blocking one?

 

Response to italicized text of the quote:  Balth misunderstood my role, just like you did.  If he was my "partner in crime" I think he would know what my role was, wouldn't you?

 

 

[Aginor-Mafia]

And now with Balthamel. During the day yesterday Aginor believed Balth to be evil and would not remove his vote until a finder claimed otherwise.

*Kicks Rahvin down a set of stairs*

Yea-he-yeaaahhh!

 

Whoever did that night kill for Rahvin, I give you a hearty pat on the back.

;D!

Sucks we lost another innocent, but hey, at least we got an evil, right?

Time to get another.

 

[glow=green,2,300]Balthamel[/glow]

and

I stay my vote unless the finder reveals and says it's true.

 

Yet today Aginor claims to have used his healing/stealing role on Balth last night because:

 

Uh-uh.

I used my role on Balth tonight in case the evils had a role blocker.

*nods*

And my role only takes away the other person's role, it doesn't kill them.

 

[glow=green,2,300]Aginor[/glow]

 

 

Why you so mean?

 

 

Aginor if you believed Balth to be evil then why would you heal him with your role to protect him from an evil roleblocker? And if Balth is telling the truth about being our finder/healer than your role took away his ability. I believe you to be a lying liar who lies and evil.

 

 

 

Why'd I heal Bath?

Because Moridin confirmed his correction with his role.

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

Misunderstandings can be staged, and frequently are. Just sayin'

 

I saw the death scene and went "Er..." so I PM'd Barm and asked why I was dead when my previous inquiries had yielded confirmation that I could not die at night period. Considering that there's still up to five night actioned roles out there and mine is passive, it isn't surprising that he forgot to take it into account when resolving them. Anyway, that's when he edited out my innocence (believe me and Ishy on that one or not) from the first post and posted the second one saying I had survived.

 

I wouldn't say any of this because in an ideal world and in keeping with the spirit of the game mod mistakes should be passed over as if they don't exist, but by the same token I'm not going to sit back and possibly let myself be lynched because a mod mistake caused confusion and suspicion about me through no action or fault of my own.

[Balthamel-Mafia]

OK. [glow=red,2,300]Unvote[/glow]

 

Still not totally confirmed on innocence, but at the moment I am not sure of guilt. Balth told me however that SOMEONE RBed me last night.

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

I don't know what Barm corrected. I didn't see it though you insinuate Moridin was posted as innocent. I do know what I stated. Bullet proof never die and Barm wrote Moridin is dead. By both counts she was dead.

 

http://forums.dragonmount.com/index.php/topic,19873.msg547463.html#msg547463

 

10 minutes, roughly, later, Moridin was not dead. Check the post times. Someone else did something it would appear. But Barm thinks this is not something to worry about...

 

So I get a huge disconnect when Moridin claims she was bullet proof even when evidence says that isn't what happened. I don't get confused all that often, so when I do, I ask questions. Despite what Barm said to me about not worrying about it, I feel that I must ask.

 

I don't know what part Aginor's role played in this or if it even had a thing to do with it.

 

Well, since I respond as I read... Ishy, that's what I had to say about it, but I am still confused. Where do I put my trust when I have no clues left? Maybe I could steal the Cromwell... :P

[Ishamael-Mafia]

 

I saw Moridin labled as dead and innocent. I will allow that Moridin used the phrase "bullet-proof" incorrectly, but am confused even more now and have two questions for Moridin?

 

1. Did your role name you as "bullet-proof"?

2. You said you could "not die at night period." Is that for one night, or every night?

 

As for where to place trust, I have no idea. I'm looking back at Aginor and having second thoughts. I'm still not sure about Balth, and I would be suspicious of Moridin except for what I saw. I have to believe that a slip occured, but if the alignment posted and then edited out was not correct, then we have a massive continuity issue and nothing I think will matter anyhow. Cromwell away my dear, it would be a welcome sight. :P

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

My role PM detailed the points for lynches thing (though not how many I needed to win. I now know that it is four) and also that I am immune to night kills.

 

You say I was dead and then not, so something else must have occurred.

Well, no. Barm forgot to take into account my immunity, so he posted that I was dead. I reminded him that I couldn't have died, so he added the other bit. I don't know why he didn't just edit his original post, since he was going to edit my alignment reveal anyway. Maybe he didn't want to alter that scene for some reason. One thing is for sure:

 

I didn't die and come back to life. I'm alive because I wasn't meant to be dead in the first place.

 

Barm made a mistake.

 

I pointed out the mistake and it was fixed.

 

The role that saved me was my role. That's how I knew to point out the mistake.

 

As far as I know, Halima tried to kill me, someone else tried to kill her. They succeeded. She didn't. Because of my role. When my role wasn't taken into account the result was wrong. The discrepancy is a result of my role not being taken into account at first.

 

Once again, the apparent rise from the dead is the result of a mistake and not game mechanics.

 

Technically a bullet proof means you're immune to death. I'm only immune to death at night. So you're free to lynch me to your heart's content today if you think it'll help. Just don't expect me to take it lying down. This lynch counts. We have to get it right.

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

Also, quit referring to me as 'she' before I figure out who you think I am  :P

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

So ... this is what happens when all your hyperactive players get killed off early. HELLOOOOO? *goes hunting for a good echo* ECHOECHOECHOECHOECHO!

 

So what do you think, Moridin, should we have a picnic? Yes, what a capital idea. Splendid! I'll bring the office supplies!

[Guest Sammael-Mafia]

Oh a picnic sounds fun...

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

Excellent! Good man. Won't you have a stapler? They're quite good if I do say so myself.

[Guest Sammael-Mafia]

Why yes the stapler is mighty good. Here try some paperclips with printer ink.

[Ishamael-Mafia]

 

Your'e both evil. For making me read this. :(

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

That isn't colored ink is it? I'm trying to cut down.

 

Don't let it worry you, Ishy. Have an envelope.

 

Are we going to be progressing with the game any time, do you suppose?

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

Was eating all the office supplies really necessary? I have been gone all day on family business. I found some lying liars who friggin' lie in the process. Too bad it doesn't help us.

 

Moridin... oooops. :( I can't help thinking of you as, well, you and not Moridin. It slipped out the same way as the Rahvin thing did.

 

As far as you being bullet proof, I still think it's odd that our mod didn't consult his notes before writing the scene. But he's human, so *stomps on the mod's toes*

 

Starting over again. We have Aran'gar, Ishy, Balth, Asmo, Aginor, Moridin, Sammy and myself left, right?

 

From the last few days.

 

Sammy was on vacation for what seemed like a week. Jumped right on board the Aginor lynch though.

 

Asmo is mia.

 

Aginor is in and out because of school.  Aginor was about to be lynched for what boils down to sympish reasons (right?).

 

Aran'gar is a lurker but she pays decent attention.  She pokes her head up when she feels the need to say something, I think.

 

Ishy is in and out. Lucky for catching the post before edits... but I suppose I believe him. With both Moridin and Balth backing him up, it's hard not to.

 

Balth is here every two or three days. Balth is often contradictory. Something tells me he is lying about potentially important stuff, just not about his innocence. Previously explained why I think so.

 

Moridin is here pretty much every day or strongly enough to seem like it. Moridin is defensive with good reason. We should take no action there.

 

Great. That tells me that there is a good reason most of these people have not really been on my radar.  Bah! I am going to bed. It's been a long, long day.

[Balthamel-Mafia]

When did I back up Ishy?

 

IMO:

 

Innocents:

 

Balth

Moridin

Ishy

 

What we need to do:

 

A Mass role claim. Everyone states their roles and re kill those who don't fit the pattern of roles we know/suspect are in the game.

 

This tactic works well when there are fewer players in the game, and there is less room for people to hide.

 

I will start. I am a cop/doc investigating/protecting one person each night...

[Aginor-Mafia]

Healer.

Whoever targets person I'm healing, loses their role.

 

So, someone should have lost a roleblock skill last night when they targeted you Balth.

 

[Aginor-Mafia]

I just realized, why were they still able to roleblock you?

It doesn't make sense, unless Balth decided to be crazy and let them work the role one time, and THEN take it away?

Maybe he decided to make me Nervous, (only 50% chance my role works) and not tell me?

Ugh.

My head hurts.

 

[Ishamael-Mafia]

I will speculate that the roleblock prevented Balth from viewing, but because it was not life threatening, your healer abilities were not called into action. It would be nice to think that a mafia roleblocker has lost their role, but that is dependent on everyone having told the truth about roles and alignments. You're a swell bunch and all, but somebody aint tellin' the truth.

 

We have a deadline of 5 pm Monday. Nobody has suggested a no-lynch day (which is good) so we need to see some votes.

 

I've looked and looked and want to [glow=red,2,300]unvote Aginor[/glow] for the time being. I'm getting the same sense of him that Moggy describes of Balth.

 

The only similarity I can find in Rahvin, Halima, and a current player is Aran'gar. She keeps a low profile but makes comments often enough to stay visible. I'm far from convinced, but she is my best guess. I am open to analysis and willing to change my vote if a better suspect comes along.  But for now, I vote [glow=red,2,300]Aran'gar[/glow]

[Guest Sammael-Mafia]

I'm going to [glow=red,2,300]unvote[/glow] still not sure about Aginor though.

 

As for my role I'm a bomb. If I'm targeted at night I explode myself and the person targeting me.