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[Balthamel-Mafia]

I think while its possible that everyone is roled, I HIGHLY doubt whether any mafia would be cops. What would be the point? They already know everyne's alignment.

 

Why would Barm hand out roles and alignments randomly, that could lead to big descrepancies, and a very unbalanced game if for example the mafia got one or two killing roles, which would mean they would kill two or three people each night!?!

 

That would make for a very unbalanced game...

 

Having said that given that I have proven finder abilities, do you really think that I would be evil? Lots of people who were acting suspisiously turned out to be innocent, but here you have proof that I was telling the truth about my cop/doc role, a role so powerful that there is no WAY, Barm would give it to the mafia, for fear of unbalancing the game.

 

Apart from My inestigation on Moridin, Barm has only told me one thing, he isn't answering any of my questions, no that I am asking...

 

If you were mafia, seeing as you cannot NK me, wouldn't you try your best to get me lynched? Seeing as Cydance tried to start a bandwagon as SOON as the day started, isn't that a little suspisious?

[Ishamael-Mafia]

T Cyndi: Oh, he replies to my questions. He just doesn't answer my questions. Sometimes I get questions back and sometimes he just openly mocks me. A cruel Mod is Barm. (He's not that bad actually, but he ain't giving anything away either.)

 

I need to know more about these points that Moridin is collecting and why he feelsthat  everyone should help him gain them. We can add this to the list of unusuall nuances of this game.

[Ishamael-Mafia]

 

What if there were two mafia teams. That would explain various mafia roles like a mafia cop, and would balance out the game with role blockers and vig hits. We now know that points are involved and I doubt whether this applies to only one person. Much more likely that it applies to a team, which means we are looking at another ploy.

 

Cyndi voting for Balth so early strikes me as a rush to the obvious lynch, which I don't find that suspicious. The fact that she ws not afraid to trigger any trap is questionable, though.

 

 

[Balthamel-Mafia]

I think that if there were two mafia teams, we would all be dead by now....

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

The points? When I get four points, I win. That's it. In addition to whoever else wins. I actually wasn't told how many points it was when I got my role, but I guessed it would be about four or five. How do I get them? For lynching people  :D

And if I'd put my role before my team I'd have won already and be content to let the game play itself out and see which team joined me on the podium. But the point of the game is, you help your team through. So I stuck with the Balthamel vote even when I had the chance to put the last vote on Graendal. Because I thought that was the right course. Then I was ready to give the benefit of doubt to Balth and went with Mess. Maybe I shouldn't have.

 

If you don't want me to gain points don't be on the same lynch vote as me. Simple as that. But if I wanted to win at the innocent's expense I would have played selfishly and bandwagonned my merry way through the game. I don't want to win at anyone's expense, except the mafia. So I'm playing according to my convictions, my principles, and my notions of good play. No one has anything to lose or gain by my gaining points, unless it impacts on my behaviour as a player. It hasn't. It won't.

 

I'm halfway through my case on Rhavin and not sure if I want to continue. This thread is stupidly long. Some observations:

He has about thirty posts.

Most of the early ones are spam and flirting.

Most of the later ones that aren't spam and flirting are fence sitting. He fence sits like a champ.

He generally represents the more conservsative, safe, non-aggressive side of the argument rather than calling for action.

He was on two lynches. Graendal and Mesaana. In both cases he joins the bandwagon when the obvious choices become apparent rather being an early advocate.

 

In both cases the other obvious choice is Balthamel. You know how I said we should go to night? I could change my mind.

 

Why would the evils have a finder? To find finders. Or healers. Or each other if it was blind mafia. Is it overpowered? In a game where everyone is roled? Probably not. Caution says spare Balth. Caution says if you must lynch go with Cyndane. Caution has got me into more unpleasant situations than recklessness ever did.

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

Well, caution would certainly screw you hard, if you lynched me.  I'd say more on why, but I'd rather not atm.

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

Moggy is to smart not to see that, so her acceptance of Balty's innocence tripped a few alarms for me.

 

I saw the irony in what Balth revealed, which makes me inclined to believe him. I can be just as wrong as anyone else, but I doubt an evil is going to reveal a special win role of another evil. Think about the stakes of a gamble that large when they have stayed so far off the radar that we are incredibly split as to where to go. Now if it had been another player who had been grabbing alot of negative attention, I would not see the same irony and would not be inclined to believe him.

 

The only other point is an evil finder, but I hope we all see the reason I discount that barring an evil objective of win at all costs.

 

Can you see where I am coming from?

[Balthamel-Mafia]

Evil finders are in my expirence a very rare find...

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

As in the kind of thing you'd find in a nuthouse?

[Ishamael-Mafia]

 

Here is a possible setup that I have suspected for the past couple of days:

 

There are two or three teams of mafia, each competeing for points (one player able to earn points is, uh, pointless). The teams do not know who each other is, or who the townies are. There is no coroner finder, only an alignment reveal. But the alignment reveal is actually reversed. Each player has a role of some description.

 

I'm not proposing that this is happening. Just that this setup, or one like it, would be consistent with the theme of the game and would explain so many of the unusual events. We have seen too many reveals, too many "pairings", too many "no lynch" votes, and we still have nothing for information. Imagine five innocents, and three groups of mafia, five, five, and four. No one knows anything and most of the roles are new. We are playing blind and the only reveal we get is the opposite of the truth. 

 

It would make sense that an evil team would have a couple of active players and a couple of quiet players, which is interesting when you look at our current player list.

 

Like I said, I'm open to ideas. Does anyone have anything to build on this or even a different thoery that explains something?

 

[Ishamael-Mafia]

Er, a correction to the above theory: One group of five innocents, one group of five mafia, and two groups of four mafia, for a total of 18 (not 19).  Off-the-wall theories I have covered. Math, not so much. :p

[Guest Sammael-Mafia]

Vote count:

 

Balthamel-(3): Aginor, Ishamael, Halima

Cyndane-(3): Asmodean, Balthamel, Aran'gar

Straight to night-(1): Moridin

 

Ok...I will actually be home later today so I'll finish up catching up reading. I'm off to the airport again.

[Asmodean-Mafia]

I think while its possible that everyone is roled, I HIGHLY doubt whether any mafia would be cops. What would be the point? They already know everyne's alignment.

 

It sort of just dawned on me. Typically Finder roles just have alignment reveals, not role reveals. Since you were able to give us such detailed info about Moridin, I have to go out on a limb and assume that in your capacity as Finder, you are getting role reveals in addition to a person's alignment?

 

If so, then it is VERY handy to be a Mafia Finder, since in addition to knowing everyone's alignment (which you would know already), you are slowly able to figure out who does what. It would also explain why you have yet to be nightkilled, or even attempted, since every day you come out and say that you didn't heal yourself, and instead decide to gamble to examine someone else.

 

Why would a Finder need to know anything more than a character's alignment, unless they were evil?

 

[glow=red,2,300]Unvote Cyndane[/glow]

 

 

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

I have been finder and found the angel before. It depends on the mod of the game. That said, I have been tinkering more with possible roles based on what has been said, and I don't think an evil finder would stack right. If we assume assassin/vigilates that are assigned days or nights to act, that works as much for both teams. Just think, they have only gotten one evil.

 

I have also decided that Be'lal or Lanfear, which ever it was that died first (thinking Be'lal but can't be persuaded to go back and find it), was probably a bomb that was assassinated. This would give him a really good reason, aside from being who he was, to be so bold and not really care whether we believed his innocence or not.

 

Anyway, moving from the digression, I don't think the roles would stack right if there was an evil finder since it seems that assassins are out every night/morning, the rarity of an evil finder...rather speaks for itself, topped off by the random drawing of Moridin out of... Where?

 

I can understand a finder finding such a person given the refusal to role reveal in front of everyone. Yes, revealing is not good if you haven't used up your role, but Moridin went farther than just saying that. It felt rather obstinant, so you do a findering and get on with the game. You don't out a team member that has only drawn this one bit of common sense attention. This bit would be easy enough to defend.

 

Tell me, those of you still hard and heavy against Balth. How is it worth it?

 

Moridin, a no-lynch kill is not going to be productive at this point. We need to get the conclusions from Rahvin's posts, if they are there. But I am really seeing what you saw. Not much for connections or alliances or persuasion.

[Ishamael-Mafia]

Moggy sounds depressed and apathetic.  :'(

 

I don't disagree with some of your logic, but where does it lead? Do you have a better suspect than Balth? You agree that a no-lynch is not a good idea but offer no vote.  I do want to hear what you have to say, so tell us what you think is happening.

[Guest Halima-Mafia]

Morridin Said

Halima, on what point don't you agree with me - I said that it looks like we're getting two dead per night regardless (if it was something else, sorry. It looked like it was about the kills based on your next sentence).

 

I disagree that we should go straight to night.  Since we have been getting 2 night kills the game is sped up.  By going to night we do lose a chance that we can't reclaim.

[Arangar-Mafia]

 

 

 

Aran'gar is next to absent, and considering Rahvin was an infrequent poster, this makes me wonder if all of the evils just decided to lay low and watch everyone do their job for them.

 

 

 

 

Just how I have always played.  I'm more active than Sammael and almost the same active as Halima.  It's a rather far stretch to assume all the evils are not very active and vice versa.. all the less actives being evil... Not sure anyone wants me to mull over what's in my head.  It exasperates even me.  If you want the very short version...

 

Sammael:  Very inactive and refused to reveal role

 

Asmodean: Not really very high on my suspect list but with your theory... hes not the most active person either.

 

Moridin: Also refused to reveal his role but it is now known... If he and Bal are to be believed... could also be a conspiracy.  I'm not sure... What about that role was so secretive?  Especially in the light that you later had a lengthy post after being outted explaining the role and how you "haven't used it when it wouldn't benefit the team"  Could be the truth... What are the points for?  I guess I don't really understand the purpose.  At any rate, the biggest suspicion I have on him is a possible conspiracy with Bal.  That's not really setting off my radar.

 

Moggy: never really been high on my radar.  I believe her about the all blocker role as what other explination has come across? none.... Raises a good question on why Bal has not been nightkilled if he keeps admitting to findering instead of healing.

 

Ishmael: Could be Vig... could not... it was rather convenient that those night actions were blocked and you claimed you picked Mesaana when it looked like she was headed for a lynch.  I'm unsure.

 

Aginor: Claimed a role that would block the role of anyone who used it against who he protected.  With that info who is likely to ever use a night action against him? It would be a risk on the offchance that he is telling the truth. That doesn't mean evil though.

 

Arangar: Me  Yes I have been less active.  Its my constant gameplay.  I really don't know what to tell you...

 

Cyndane:  Theres several oddities I've noticed thru the game.  I mentioned several in the case I did way back.  You did respond to my latest query on why you unvoted Bal right after he voted you.  That could very well be the case... I'm gonna relook at your posts and decide from there.

 

Balthamel:  Claims finder/healer role... Also either correctly told Moridin's role or they conspired together on that.  Could he be evil and a finder/healer... I think yes.  Finders don't just find the alignment of those they view.. don't they also discover the role?  One would assume yes If Bal is telling the truth and that Moridin really does have a points thing.  That could benefit an evil team... He, like Ishy, said that he picked Mesaana (his for findering) on the night of the all block. I could go on and on about him and every thing I look at makes me question... evil or not?????  I'm halfway tempted to vote because I really want to know if you ARE evil but if you are telling the truth I really don't want to lynch a finder.

 

[Arangar-Mafia]

I forgot one....

 

Halima:  A bit suspicious... I need to reread her posts yet so I'm still unsure on her.

[Arangar-Mafia]

Ok... Halima: 23 posts 3 of which aren't even in this thread.  Randomly voted Rahvin first day.  Suspicious but not high on my list.

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

Moggy sounds depressed and apathetic.

 

Usually.

 

I don't disagree with some of your logic, but where does it lead? Do you have a better suspect than Balth? You agree that a no-lynch is not a good idea but offer no vote. I do want to hear what you have to say, so tell us what you think is happening.

 

I don't know where it leads. I am still trying to piece the puzzle together. I have very small bits of picture, but mostly related to background stuff. I know who all the live players are. I know most of the dead, so I know where players came from, reasoning, rationale. I think I have a good idea of the roles out there, but I could be way off base. I don't want to share that because it could be horribly off. I will if you beg. ;) The only thing worse than being wrong is being horribly wrong and convincing others you are correct. I asked for role opinions to help paint a picture, but no one helped.

 

A Cyndane lynch only worries me because I have always been wrong about that player. I hate when logic stalls me out, but that's where I sit.

 

I am inclined to believe Balth and Moridin by extension for the previously explained reasons.

 

Sammael, Asmo, Aggy, Aran'gar, Halima: I really have no feel for these players. *shrugs* I tend to see the more actives or the ones that make odd stances or have odd timing.

[Ishamael-Mafia]

Oh, I'm not too proud to beg. 8)

 

Pretty pleeeeaaaase! And what do you mean by "role opinions"? I'll help!

 

Actually, anything you want ot add would be helpful, and if you have a theory, then just call it a theory. I'n not trying to get anyone to buy into the scenarios I have offered, but am just trying to throw ideas out there so that we can put this thing together. Hit me, baby!  :-*

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

Attention:  I am officially naming the Night that everyone got blocked as "The Night of Blockage"!

 

*feels all important and stuffs*

[Balthamel-Mafia]

You don't have to have a suspect to think that one person is innocent.

 

However [glow=red,2,300]Sammy[/glow] has been way to inactive. Please Explain.

[Aginor-Mafia]

I'm gonna go with he's been away on vacation :P

 

 

 

Vote count:

 

Balthamel-(3): Aginor, Ishamael, Halima

Cyndane-(3): Asmodean, Balthamel, Aran'gar

Straight to night-(1): Moridin

 

Ok...I will actually be home later today so I'll finish up catching up reading. I'm off to the airport again.

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

Balth, you're not helping your case here. That kind of vote never works. You only make yourself look jumpy. By the way, I never asked you why you investigated me. Care to enlighten?

 

As to why I was quiet about my role, why do you think? It'd only highlight the conflict of interest I'm having and make people suspect my motives. Also like I said, my role wasn't crucial to victory. There was nothing to be gained from revealing and plenty to lose by narrowing down the search parameters for the evils. And finally I was willing to take the chance that the evils would try and take me out that night if I refused to reveal.

 

As to only one person collecting points making no sense, I wasn't told that I was competing against anybody, but it could be the case. I'm the only one I know of, though.