Game Over - Insane Mafia Game. Page 94

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

I do not doubt that he will confirm it.  But can we trust him?  And can we trust this "finder" that supposedly viewed you?  This game has seriously made me suspicious of everyone.  Everyone.

 

It could be that this trio is the mafia.  It would be quite a bold move, and unlikely.  Just thinking out loud.

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

I truly hope that Demandred wasn't the finder you were speaking of.

[Balthamel-Mafia]

NO mafia would be stupid enough to defend one another THAT obviously...

[Balthamel-Mafia]

To be honest I really don't know...

[Balthamel-Mafia]

I will be away for the next 9 hours, try not to lynch me with out one more defense!

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

You never know.  Just half a thought.

 

I'll try, really hard. ;)

[Aginor-Mafia]

I stay my vote unless the finder reveals and says it's true.

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

It's day four and we have ten left. I'd say it is likely that we only have two more evils to go. Proceeding under this assumption and also the assumption that we lose two every night.

 

Day Four 2/10

Day Five 2/7

Day Six 2/4 - LOSE

 

Which would make tomorrow the endgame.

 

Anything we can do to prolong our chances?

 

If we vote to go to night today or tomorrow we give ourselves an extra day. That's an extra day in which the surviving cop(s) can work their magic.

 

What can we learn from last night?

 

An innocent and an evil died. Was it a vig hit or blind mafia?

 

Ishy is our only revealed vig. Question: did your role specify that you have a vig hit on a specific night? If so it is possible that what our double night kills mean is that there is a vig assigned to every night and the other kill is the evils.

Be this the case, we can extend a general plea to our vigs not to use their hits on their assigned nights unless very, very sure. This would cut our night kills down to one. Before you do this please check that forfeiting your kill does not cause a random kill to happen. This game seems very determined to cause 2 deaths a night. Even if they happen during the day >.>

 

However, our only admitted vig had his role blocked and two still died... during the day. And not either were the person he had chosen, either. I got no idea how to cover this. Unless the game requires 2 to die regardless. Or unless blind mafia + ?

 

I haven't played a game with this in it before, but in this case I would assume it means an even number of mafia who each get a kill on their assigned night, for two kills a night. So either two or four. If it was only two we may already be down to one kill a night from now on. Unless the game requires two regardless. If it was four then we have three left and are pretty much in the poop.

 

And Balth is right about my role, so he does indeed have finder capabilities. Doesn't say anything about his alignment, but I'm a bit more inclined to believe him. I say we [glow=red,2,300]go to night[/glow] and see what another day may bring. In the meantime, I'm waiting on Ishy to tell us more about his role.

 

And Cyndane. Stop speculating on who the finder may be, okay? It doesn't make you look good.

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

That is true.  Not really trying to speculate, really. 

 

I'm not sure I agree with going into night again.  I'll have the flip that one around in my head for a while.

[Ishamael-Mafia]

 

Again, my role was for a one night vig hit that had to occur on night two. I was not told if passing on the role had any negative effects but I was told that no one would know it was me that placed the hit. I speculated that others had been given this role on different nights and asked, but got no answer. I have actually asked a lot of questions, and received no answers, which makes me suspicious of others that claim to have answers. I don't want to lynch another innocent, but I'm not sold on another no-lynch day. I'm open to ideas. :-\

[Arangar-Mafia]

Sorry but no.... I'm not the finder.

[Balthamel-Mafia]

Maybe there are no finders left.

 

Thanks for backing me up Morry, I hope that proves I have finder abilities, which one can assume are pro-town. (Whats the point of having a mafia cop?)

 

If you could unvote that would be good.

 

Could some one list Rahvin's posts/votes?

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

Okay, it seems likely we have a bunch of vigs on the loose. Well someone made a good call last night.

Looking at it again I dunno if it's wise to forego the kill, because just looking at what happened on the night Moggy blocked I'd say we're getting two dead every night regardless. I'd rather they not be random.

 

If the cop lives, they obviously didn't find an evil last night. Voting to go to night now gives them another night to find an evil, gives us another day to think things through.

In case a lynch develops in the next six hours, which I doubt ... Balthamel, heal yourself tonight, for the love of pie! After last night you know they're gonna try. And don't think I've forgotten the possibility that you're eeeevil.

I'd do a post mortem on Rhavin myself but I'm about to collapse so to save my keyboard from prodigous amounts of drool I'm dragging myself to bed. Feel free to speculate about my timezone in my absence. That's about all.

 

*thud*

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

Well, if Balthamel got Moridin's role so right, I am inclined to believe his innocence. The next suspicious person on my list is Cyndane. Partially because she showed no fear jumping right into the fray this morning... This is considering what happened yesterday morning. The other part is just the broad picture of how she's been playing. Could just be the player, which I fully recognise, but I just don't know. As I said before, I have been wrong so much this game, that I am holding my vote for now.

 

I am not sure about another no kill, because, as Moridin highlighted, when I tried to prevent another double, it happened anyway.  I could be wrong, but I rather think like to think there are several vig killers/serial killers who may or may not be able to transcend the night, but they are assigned to each specific night. And that's where it all gets lost in confusion. We've not seen this before.

 

There are enough players to assume this is true (given 6 or even more nights to pull off a win) and still allow everyone a role in several different combinations. On the other hand, this may not be true, either, because it is a much longer stretch of assumptions that the one that says every one is roled.

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

edit for barm.

[Balthamel-Mafia]

OK I will protect myself tonight, enough playing with fire Smiley

 

[glow=red,2,300]Cyndane[/glow] is on my suspisious list, but then so is everyone who quickly voted for me, I know I was suspisious but given the mafia know I am innocent and know am roled, the idea of getting me lynched would of been very tempting...

 

 

There must be one finder left, Barm told me last night...Must of stayed quite when I confirmed my own innocence with Moridin's results. Good idea, don't role claim when you don't have too...

 

Gasp my secret identity has been revealed.

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

[glow=red,2,300]Unvote[/glow]

 

The next suspicious person on my list is Cyndane. Partially because she showed no fear jumping right into the fray this morning... This is considering what happened yesterday morning. The other part is just the broad picture of how she's been playing. Could just be the player, which I fully recognise, but I just don't know.

 

I suppose the "jumping right into the fray this morning" is referring to me placing a vote on Balthamel right off the bat.  It's simple really.  I have thought Balth was evil since he revealed.  I knew I was going to place my vote on Balth, so why wait?

 

Could I just be the player?  I'm sorry, but I do not understand this one.

 

 

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I completely understand your want for revenge, Balth, but that's going in the wrong direction, trust me.

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

I'm going to be gone for a couple hours.  See you then

 

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

I know who you are, but I don't know if that's a reason to fully discount my suspicions.

[Arangar-Mafia]

Balt-(3): Aginor, Ishy, Halima

Cynd-(2): Asmo, Bal

Straight to night-(1): Moridin

 

6 to lynch

 

 

[glow=red,2,300]Cyndane[/glow]... why did you unvote Bal right after he voted you?  Like three minutes afterwards.  Odd...

[Ishamael-Mafia]

 

I noticed Cyndane's vote as well, but i'm pretty sure I know who she is and i think it's just her temperment. She is not high on my list of suspects right now.

 

Who is, you may ask? Well, after a few re-reads I have noticed a few things. Some players are depending on role reveals to prove their innocence. But if everyone has a role, then that includes mafia, and we are back to square one.  Some players continue to lead us down a road of expectation when we do not, in fact, have the evidence to prove the thoeries they submit to us. And in a game where all of the classsic mafia rules have been thrown out of the window, such as voting for no-kills and revealing important roles, I can't help but notice that we have only bagged one evil out of eight. So, up to this point, we are not doing so well.

 

It bugs me that Balthamel keeps mentioning that Barm has told him things - Barm has not told me a thing, and I have asked a lot of questions. He is also an admitted liar and still contrdicts himself here and there, only to come back with weak excuses. I have left my vote on him for a reason.

 

If everyone has a role, then Balthamel and Moridin are as likely to be evil as any of us, and maybe more so for the gentle steering they push on us. The obvious alliance also speaks ill of them.

 

Moggy is to smart not to see that, so her acceptance of Balty's innocence tripped a few alarms for me.

 

Aran'gar is next to absent, and considering Rahvin was an infrequent poster, this makes me wonder if all of the evils just decided to lay low and watch everyone do their job for them.

 

So far, we have a pattern of two kills a night whether we like it or not, I accept that. I accept that many people have roles and have supplied proof of that. Other than that, I feel like all we have are thoeries and speculation based on strange behavior in a strange game. I do think we should try to go for another evil and the information that a kill will give us. If there are 10 left and 2 kills per night, we need to put the pieces of the puzzle together quickly if we are going to save this game. Also, our chances of hitting an evil get better as the population drops.

[Guest Halima-Mafia]

Ok I don't agree with you Morridin. 

 

Regardless of what has happened we have always had 2 kills per night.  EVEN when we had someone block all night actions.

 

I know that if we go to night we have more finder info but if we lose the finder we are screwed anyway.

 

Anyway, for now, my vote stands but I'll go back and review Cyndane.

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

Balth is still on my Little List of Suspicious People. In fact he pretty much is my Little List of Suspicious People. His reveal of my role only proves that he has finder powers, I know that. But knowing that at least part of his story is true makes me less inclined to discount the rest. One of the key things that made me suspect him when he revealed was that he had nothing to back it up. He'd conveniently failed to get results. Now we know that there are role-blockers out there (still can't account for the first night) and at least I know that he's telling the truth about the finder powers. So I'm thinking maybe my gut was wrong, like it was with Mesaana. That would be unfortunate.

 

Halima, on what point don't you agree with me - I said that it looks like we're getting two dead per night regardless (if it was something else, sorry. It looked like it was about the kills based on your next sentence).

 

Okay look, I still think we could use the extra day from a no-lynch, but it is banking a lot on there being a cop out there. Plus I'd kinda like to get those points together before it's my head up there on the flagpole of doom, so I'll say it one more time and then I'll go back an trawl through Rhavin's posts: can we go to night, pretty please?

 

Unless I find something useful or the go-to-night vote picks up speed, my vote defaults to Balth.

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

Aran'gar: If you notice, my post was split into two parts.  The first part was typed up while Balth posted, the second part afterwards.  You can't tell me that you haven't tried to post a reply and then it says that someone posted while you were typing.

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

Ishy:  You mean that you have received no answer whatsoever?  Barm is ignoring you?  Strange.  He's answered all of my questions, however vague the answer may be.