Game Over - Insane Mafia Game. Page 94

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

Sorry for the triple-post, but Barmy got online and answered my pm.

 

He said I do nothing more than block the chosen Chosen (I just like the sound of that).

 

If there's someone else who could have roleblocked Balthamel night one, please reveal. If not, we've probably finally nailed an evil.

[Guest Rahvin-Mafia]

Tell me something Mesaana why would the evils go for someone who doesn't reveal there role, than say someone who says they are the finder. I know what you are trying to say, but the thing is we have 5 innocents dead already, and thats 5 roles no one can confirm (except maybe semi's). Anyone can say what they want about any role, we would never know if it's the truth or not. Especially as we have no role reveal. And an innocent may want to hide their role for the reason to protect themeselves. Look what happened to Semi, if he did save himself, and was still killed that should tell us that all is not going as it should.

 

 

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

I think I begin to understand your reasoning for not wanting to reveal.

 

I just wonder: why am I still the only one to have voted Balthamel? He says he knows he got blocked, I know I blocked someone else, so, unless there are multiple roleblockers (not be'lal - he was blocked by me, so couldn't block; graendal & lanfear could have been; otherwise still alive); Balthamel is evil.

 

There's one other person who knows I'm not lying: the even-night roleblocker. I just hope he/she is still alive, and can confirm my innocence. Like I said: how else could I know roleblocking is split between odd and even nights?

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

BTW Moggy,

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At least 1 role has been introduced into this game that has not previously been used here on DMso there may be more then the 1 new role you listed.

 

Well, there are two new roles listed plus the slot that says new role. Healer/finder is something new and all role blocker is new. They are variations, but they are new variations.

 

So if the night actions were blocked, then what was that. (

A day action.

 

I don't think people should reveal. It will give the evils clues as to where the important roles are hiding.

 

Yeah, if you haven't used up your role, there is no reason to reveal. If you have a vital role, there is no reason to reveal. If you could help illucidate us, well, that'd be great... if you don't put the game for the innocents in jeopardy.

 

BTW I think it is a bad idea to assume anything about the number or composition of the roles in the game, and an VERY bad idea to bank our game plan on it...

 

 

Sorry, I think it is a good idea to bank on everyone having a role. If we start out assuming this, we have less likely hood of stalling out a good hunch because someone throws something at us. If we take every reveal one hundred percent honestly, well, the evils should have caught on about the same time I did if they didn't back when Moridin suggested it. They are going to do fake reveals, count on it.

 

unless Barmy hasn't told me all of my role, which he previously stated we would know; or there's a full-time roleblocker active; or a role unheard of

 

 

That's not exactly what Barm said or meant, IMO. You have to ask questions about the roles you don't understand. You failed to ask if there were any reprecussions or if any roles would/would not get around it. You didn't ask if you block incoming and outgoing. You merely assumed outgoing. It's a big, gaping hole with an assumption thrown in.

 

do you really think I would mention this if I wére evil???

 

Reverse psychology ftw?

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

Moggy, Barmy confirmed that my role is blocking the blocked person. Nothing more. So, I did not block Balthamel by blocking Be'lal. So, either Balthamel is evil, or he has been blocked by another roleblocker. This can be easily checked.

 

Balthamel is the only one against whom we've got something of proof. And 4 people thus far don't dare voting for him? Sorry, I really don't get why. Sammael, Moridin, Rahvin, Moghedien: why? Am I the only one who dares taking the risk of getting lynched tomorrow because the other roleblocker could be dead already? Or are you all evil? Or just a mixture? or????

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

Role blockers in the past have blocked both outgoing and incoming. You assumed and did not specifically ask for that. You block the person, that was obvious and covers out going, but blocking the actions incoming to that person is blocking too. You need to understand that.

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

I'm gonna say it for the third time (it's quite hard not to literally quote if you have to reword a one-line answer 3 times, so PLEASE make it the last one):

 

Barmacral said that my role doesn't do ANYTHING but blocking the role of the person I wanna block. I think it's quite clear I don't block the roles of people trying to put an action on the blocked person. Especially since I specifically asked for that.

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

I think that Mesaana has made her point.  But one thing you fail to realize is that, whether or not you are who you say you are, the rest of us also see the possibility of YOU being the evil trying to get Balthamel lynched. 

 

I'm not sure what to think, but I am leaning a bit closer toward Mesaana, simply because [glow=red,2,300]Balthamel[/glow] having the healer/finder role is just too coincidental.  I mean, we went after Semi on Day 1, turned out she was a healer.  Then we nag a healer/finder on the next day?  Not saying it isn't possible, just VERY unlikly.

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

Finally. Thank you, Cyndane.

 

And I realize a lot of you see the possibility of me being an evil. That's why I hope the even-night roleblocker is still alive and willing to reveal. He/She is able to prove I'm innocent. And there's still the possibility someone else blocked Balthamel (though: if you split up the roleblocker-role, why make 2 roleblockers per night???).

 

This also explains my strange behaviour before night: there was not enough time any more before the deadline to wait for that other person, and Graeny would have been next in line for me anyway.

 

I'm only taking one big risk: if Balthamel is telling the truth, but was blocked day 1 by someone that's dead by now. I hope not. Because that'ld mean Bal dead day 3, me dead day 4 = first 4 days no evil lynches. That'ld mean the evils have won (with 2 kills/night) - only 7 left, probaby 4 evils (hopefully less, because than we'ld still have a chance). I wouldn't like that scenario.

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

As to a vote count:

 

15 alive, meaning 8 votes for lynch

 

Balthamel (2) - Mesaana, Cyndane

Mesaana (1) - Moridin

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

Oh, you're still right next to Balthamel in my scummy list, I just suspect Balth a bit more than you.

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

You know, I'm quite curious what will happen when the even-night roleblocker shows up.

 

I rolereveal, have probably found an evil, and still you don't believe me.

 

You'll probably wanna kill the one confirmed innocent, don't you?

 

 

[Guest Rahvin-Mafia]

Moggy, Barmy confirmed that my role is blocking the blocked person. Nothing more. So, I did not block Balthamel by blocking Be'lal. So, either Balthamel is evil, or he has been blocked by another roleblocker. This can be easily checked.

 

Balthamel is the only one against whom we've got something of proof. And 4 people thus far don't dare voting for him? Sorry, I really don't get why. Sammael, Moridin, Rahvin, Moghedien: why? Am I the only one who dares taking the risk of getting lynched tomorrow because the other roleblocker could be dead already? Or are you all evil? Or just a mixture? or????

 

All I have done is disagree with the role revealing, I still can't see how this is proof that Balth is guilty, though I'm not saying he is. It could have been Semi was the other 50/50 finder/healer, he could have said he was Healer, without having to say anything about finder, infact at that time who would have beleived he was 50/50. Again this speculation, as is your assumption that he has to be lying about his role, some role we lose if he dies. Who's to say there isn't another role blocker out there, for all we know there could e a few.

 

Your theory raises just as many questions. it's is not set in stone. Just because we haven't jumped on your band wagon strightaway, doesn't mean we are evil or innocent it means we may see flaws in your 'proof'.

 

I still haven't made up my mind who to vote for, nor am I going to be pressured into it.

[Guest Halima-Mafia]

Ok now that there has been enough time I'm going to vote [glow=red,2,300]Balthamel[/glow].

 

I had my suspicions yesterday and then he votes for me right away for inactivity.  Then when I question him as to why, he unvotes without an explanation.  You are seeming too much like scum Balthamel.

 

Oh and right now you are also my number 2 suspicion Mesaana.  Asking everyone to reveal their roles is the worse thing possible right now.  Even if everyone is roled.  I guess you understand that now but... I'm not buying it.

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

You'll probably wanna kill the one confirmed innocent, don't you?

 

What, is this supposed to be some kind of threat or something?  Not helping yourself here, Messy.

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

You'll probably wanna kill the one confirmed innocent, don't you?

 

What, is this supposed to be some kind of threat or something?  Not helping yourself here, Messy.

 

Quote it all: the line before read: "When the even-night roleblocker confirms". That would make me a confirmed innocent. Worst of all: I wouldn't be surprised if you tried to lynch me anyway.

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

Actually, the line before read: "I rolereveal, have probably found an evil, and still you don't believe me."

 

Here, I'll quote the whole post to help you out, as you seem to be having trouble.

 

You know, I'm quite curious what will happen when the even-night roleblocker shows up.

 

I rolereveal, have probably found an evil, and still you don't believe me.

 

You'll probably wanna kill the one confirmed innocent, don't you?

 

 

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

Don't wanna be rude, but read the first line.

 

I find your conduct very strange. You're the first to decide you believe me and follow my vote for Balthamel (after 4 who don't), and afterwards you're just hacking in on me?

[Guest Sammael-Mafia]

I have to get ready to catch a plane right now. When I get back to a computer later tonight I'm going to do a reread.

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

Hehe.  I know.  But you DID say, "the line before it read:" not "the first line read:"  Sorry, that came out wrong.  I guess a wink would have brought out that I was just trying to lighten the mood.  Bad move by me. ><

 

I'm not hacking in on you.  I'm a little cranky, I'll admit, but that has to do with my little sister not knowing there is a volume nob on her sterio and me not getting a whole lot of sleep because of it.  Sorry, I'm feeling a little better now.

 

And just because I suspect Balthamel more than you, doesn't mean I don't suspect you.  The way you're acting when people don't believe you 100% "just because you say so" is making you move up the Ladder of Scum for me.

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

Well, if you knew who I am, you'ld know that that's just how I am. Don't believe me? Fine. But don't expect too much respect in return.

 

And I'll forgive you for the stereo. ;D 

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

Okay then.

 

That was a little too much agression for me in the morning.  Time for a late breakfast!

[Asmodean-Mafia]

You'll probably wanna kill the one confirmed innocent, don't you?

 

What, is this supposed to be some kind of threat or something?  Not helping yourself here, Messy.

 

Quote it all: the line before read: "When the even-night roleblocker confirms". That would make me a confirmed innocent. Worst of all: I wouldn't be surprised if you tried to lynch me anyway.

 

I might just be me, but, well I am find it very hard to agree with more or less absolutly everything you have said, but as I'm to appathetic so this will have to do. If we are, as is now gererally accepted, all roled (Oh yes this is to an earlier post of yours today - being evil is an aligntment (It gets revealed in a corener finder.), while the roles we have are seperate i.e. as shown by them not being shown in a corener finder, so the evils probably all have roles too.) , then the roles I assume will have be assigned randomly, and hence you still could be evil.

 

 

Or the simple version,

 

Evils and innocents both get roles.

 

Roles are assigned to all randomly.

 

Hence your opposite 'roleperson' will not nessaceraly prove your already dubious innocence.

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

So ... The even roleblocker could be an evil?

 

Is that what you're meaning?

 

I just wonder why I'm not believed. Most people have come online since I role-revealed, and no-one has claimed they are the other night-1 roleblocker. So, Balthamel is evil. Which part of this don't you all understand???????

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

For what it's worth, I believe you as much as I can with the info we have.  I wanted Balth lynched instead of Graendal.  And if what Mesaana says is true, than Balth lied.  And it wasn't a small lie either.  Him being blocked on Night 1 was a big thing in proving he was telling the truth.  If it was a lie...  You get the picture.