Game Over - Insane Mafia Game. Page 94

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

Be'lal, (I keep wanting to call you your name.) I am not touching you or Balthamel as I am not certain if the tension is engineered or genuine. I rather like my previous suspect better.  Still liking Cyndane, but, well, no one wanted that one. Not even for a staller of votes.

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

Balth, the association began long before you were a genuine lynch candidate - unless she's been setting you up for a lynch for a long time (while defending you?) then I have to say that the connection - if it exists - is genuine and not geared towards benefitting from your death.

 

And yes, counter-claims. True, we don't know that there isn't two docs/cops, we don't know that there is a cop or a doc, we don't know that there aren't two or more mafia teams, or an evil vig, or what have you. But we can only tie ourselves up in knots by assuming variants like this. We need to examine the possibilities as we find evidence for them, speculating over wacky set-ups (as you have been doing the entire game) only fuels paranoia. We don't know that counter claims aren't a bad idea. But we don't know if you've been trying to set up for a false claim while trying to discourage counter claims either. We don't know that the cop(s) don't know exactly how many cops there are, either. What is certain is that [glow=blue,2,300]a counter claim isn't even possible when we don't know what the role is.[/glow]  Is that your intention?

 

Edited for glowness.

[Balthamel-Mafia]

OMG.

 

I cannot believe it us come to this.

 

I am a cop/doc. I can do one or the other. The reason why I didn want to RC is because now I am going to have defend myself for the rest of the nights just to stop the mafia lynching me.

 

The reason perhaps why you thought I was eager to get to night, was because I could investigate someone and help us on our way. The reason why I kept on hinting that I was a potentially another doc out there was because there was one. Me.

 

Thats why I think Semi was lynched, 'cause if I was a 50% doc then it is likely there was another 50% doc -> Semi, That is why she died because she only had 50% of the ability, whether she knew it or not.

 

Likely there is another 50% cop out there some where...

 

What happened last night was I investigate Be'lal, 'cause as I am sure you are aware I suspected him heavily. However. Someone roleblocked me (or he has investigation immunity), which is why I suspect/know there is a role blocker out there.

 

That is why I said this:

 

I guess that tells us two things. The cop just wasted an investigation, and any role blocker didn't target a mafia last night...

 

How did I know there was a RB? 'Cause I was Blocked and there were STIL TWO kills. I was signalling to the RB that I was innocent.

 

I have no connection with Messana, I gave her a number and she defended me. If you are that desperate for evidence then we are completely lost.

 

I gave up stopping the no lynch because I couldn't be bothered arguing against Kivam. Does that make me the best townie? No, does that make me scum? No. Can anyone really blame me (when a majority of us indeed voted for it?) I like to think not.

 

I will be protecting myself tonight so I cannot do any investigations.

[Lanfear-Mafia]

Wow.  That all I can say.  Wow.

 

I wake up from the RL night to find this revelation.  *sigh*  I think I feel another reread coming on...

[Balthamel-Mafia]

Cards on the table - eh?

[Lanfear-Mafia]

I can't make much sense of this (still fairly early here), so I thought a reread might solve a few problems and see who was for lynching each person at first, and who was against.  In my naivete I thought it might help for the future.  I've voted for Graendal, and unless something fairly drastic happens, I'm not going to unvote.

[Guest Halima-Mafia]

Wow.  That all I can say.  Wow.

 

I think that sums it up for me as well Lanfear.

 

Ok I really don't know what to think about this... I mean you could be an evil trying to save your hide but at the same time your story is so far fetched that it seems to me to be true...

 

I don't know anymore

 

*bashes head against wall* 

 

I need some sleep first anyway.

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

And I was almost to the bottom of the paperwork ...

 

One thing: why did you say that Mesaana might know your alignment (or someone else might) and now deny any connection? Why not deny the connection in the first place, if it isn't there? Why drag Mesaana in? You seem to have changed your story, and that smells scummy.

 

On the other hand, if you're telling the truth I can totally see why you're getting worked up over convoluted permutations of the game. I'm starting to feel a bit that way myself. I also wonder how many people in the game don't have roles.

[Guest Rahvin-Mafia]

I'm not at home right now and do not have the time to read through. If Balth does have a role the last thing we need to do is lynch him. I'm not saying I believe him, but if he is telling the truth then he would be useful.

 

I'm not sure how the votes stand at the moment, but I would rather go with [glow=red,2,300]Graendal[/glow] for the moment, but not sure if she is guilty.

 

I will try to get on later.

[Balthamel-Mafia]

Thats the lynch.

[Belal-Mafia]

Balthamel's "someone else can confirm I'm innocent claim" now makes sense - if he was roleblocked last night and the 2 kills went through anyway, the roleblocker can confirm his innocence.

 

Balthamel's claim is too detailed - and too contingent on a fact not in his control (the existence of a role blocker) - to be likely to be false.  For whatever it's worth, I believe him (and would have unvoted had the lynch not been completed by Rahvin's vote)

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

*sigh*

 

I have been told, that there is one other person who knows my alignment who is not a cop. I suspect it is Messana as she is sticky up for me more then usual, but who knows she may just genuinely believe in em..

 

Nope, it ain't me. I just genuinely see no reason to vote you. And if I think a reason to vote for someone makes no sense to me, I say so.

 

And I'm very eager to know more relationship than me mentioning I don't believe it. If we're connected, so are Moggy and Asmodean.

 

Dude if i turned out to be evil, then no matter what I say Messana would be on the chopping block, as she went out of her way to say Balth is innocent. I mean really this "connection" was totally intiated by her, how could I possible tar her with my supposed guilt.

I did not say you are innocent. I said the reason why you are bandwagonned makes no sense to me. And I see no reason to vote you (neither do I for BE'LAL). Two totally different things.

 

Okay, and then I read the reveal. And I'm gonna repeat it: I DID NOT ROLEBLOCK BALTHAMEL

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

Wake up in the morning and I'm hit with this.  Not sure whether to believe him or not, but it's been taken out of our hands.  Now we just wait for Barmy to show.

[Ishamael-Mafia]

 

I need to re-read, but I have a problem with Balthamel's reveal and his explanations for night one. Barm already confirmed that all roles were made clear and if Baly understood, then I am guessing that Semi did to.  Fifty percent is kind of self explanatory. I also feel like he drags other players and other roles into it to add layers of confusion.  It's an obvious play when you are as close to the lynch as he was. I hope to be back on tonight.

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

And I'm very eager to know more relationship than me mentioning I don't believe it. If we're connected, so are Moggy and Asmodean.

 

Because I defended him against a stupid reason for a vote? I mean, everyone else agrees that there are two ways to start a bandwagon, and he used one. I don't care who you try to lynch, just come up with a good reason. Find something less tenuous than a misunderstanding on your own part, and I won't say a word, no matter who you vote for.

 

Weird voting actions- good reason

Night viewed as evil- good reason

Connected to a coronered evil- good reason

Tried to start a bandwagon, admitted it, and the voter didn't understand the two ways bandwagons start (a.k.a. personal misunderstanding)- not a good reason

Random- not a good reason

Revenge- not a good reason

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

Off to school now, and it will be a few hours before I get back. I don't think Barm will be around until tonight, but I hope for a pleasant surprise.

[Asmodean-Mafia]

I am still not convinced about Baltamel

1) It's all just a little perfect, finder, but can heal as well so you have an excuse for not dieing at night.

 

2)Why the reveal when you were three votes from a lynch and Graendal was only one, it just seemed a bit unnecessary.

 

3)Er actually other than that you seem pretty stand up.

 

Moghedien dear, I think he was making a point, however Mesaana babe supplying a lynch candidate as well as defending, i.e. a prior connection. However, this may or may not have been made moot by the veracity of Baltamel's reveal.

 

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

Okay.

 

It was possible in Barmy's newbie game, so I'll assume it's possible here as well. I'm gonna [glow=red,2,300]unvote Graendal[/glow]. She isn't dead till the mod sees it so. Not everyone has posted yet since Bal's declaration, and I wanna wait for everyone to have the chance to declare that Balthamel lied (being roleblocker, and having blocked someone else).

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

Forgot to mention it in my previous post, but I already thought about this in my first post of the day. Asmo's post was just the druplet.

 

I'm not trusting anyone.

[Graendal-Mafia]

Weird voting actions- good reason

Night viewed as evil- good reason

Connected to a coronered evil- good reason

Tried to start a bandwagon, admitted it, and the voter didn't understand the two ways bandwagons start (a.k.a. personal misunderstanding)- not a good reason

[glow=green,2,300]Random- not a good reason[/glow]

Revenge- not a good reason

(I added the glow to the quote)

 

but still you voted for me to get lynched? if random voting isnt reason for lynching someone, why vote for me? I removed my vote fast. I knew I wasnt going to get a bandwagon with it, I knew it might make me look suspicious, I realised that and withdrew my vote. and thats really the only time I voted that wasnt already being voted for by someone else.

 

Plus, I think Be'lal's "defence" of me, should speak for something, seeing as I was very inclined to vote for him before I noticed how suspicious Balthamel looks. I'm still suspicious about him. who knows what kind of Healer role he has. if he even has one. who's to say its not some sort of semi-evil role Barm invented. this is the nuthouse after all. we shouldnt assume that the "normal" roles are all that normal.

 

and you will definatly not get any information from lynching me. well, except the "Graendal, an innocent player has been lynched" and will make it obvious that you are being played by the mafia *shrug* it appears they are winning, with three dead on day/night one, an innocent lynch on day two, and weird roles around, the calculating of how many nights will be left with so and so many evils, doesnt mean anything, as we dont actually know anything about what roles people have, how many evils there are, if we have people that can perhaps create new evil teams...

 

oh well, I dont have much time today to check in on this, so i thought i'd just say this. i've already had to hurry typing this..

 

thanks for the unvote Mesaana.

 

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

Don't worry. You're still my #1 suspect.

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

but still you voted for me to get lynched? if random voting isnt reason for lynching someone, why vote for me? I removed my vote fast. I knew I wasnt going to get a bandwagon with it, I knew it might make me look suspicious, I realised that and withdrew my vote. and thats really the only time I voted that wasnt already being voted for by someone else.

 

Exactly. You randomly threw out a vote for no stated reason; said you were going to leave it if the person didn't respond well to you. When the oddity was commented on, you unvoted. You even knew it might look suspicious. This was all explained the first time I voted for you, so you should not be accusing me of random voting you when I had pointed back to those reasons. It's suspicious actions, not random.

 

If you misunderstood that to mean that voting for someone who random votes is bad, well, not always. Voting for someone randomly is bad, especially the way you did it.

 

with three dead on day/night one, an innocent lynch on day two, and weird roles around

 

 

Three total dead. I think that's what you meant, but it reads as if three died during day and night one.

[Graendal-Mafia]

If you misunderstood that to mean that voting for someone who random votes is bad, well, not always.

 

yeah, thats what I thought you ment. now i'm not sure what you ment at all. and when did I accuse you of random voting? I never said that. I jsut questioned why you would vote for someone who had randomly voted for someone else, when you said that it wasnt a good reason for voting for someone at all. but I suppose I misunderstood your meaning in the post I quoted.

 

Three total dead. I think that's what you meant, but it reads as if three died during day and night one.

 

err, I thought it would be pretty obvious what I ment since there has has been three deaths, not six.

 

 

[Graendal-Mafia]

err, I mean two deaths. >< sorry..

[Guest Halima-Mafia]

It's nice to give people a chance to deliberate and all but if we don't lynch in another 5-6 hours Barm will pull a mod kill on us.

 

I am not going to chance that we kill the read finder whether it is Balthamel or someone else to deliberation.  I not sure on Grandeal's alignment but I will vote to kill if necessary.  No offense Grandeal.

 

Actually the blocker revealing would be bad anyway.  Why?  If he didn't block Balt and Balt is lying then Balt is probably scum and now the assassins have a night kill to go for, namely the newly revealed blocker.  Thinking about this you just jumped up in my suspicion book Mesaana.